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Author:  Skyjump136 [ Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:00 pm ]
Post subject:  B&G Jeep Liberty Flash Questions
Couple of questions for those who know…

1)Their site says that theses are for off road vehicles only and may cause you to fail your emissions test. Does anyone have any experience with this?

2)If I use this is there an easy way to get back to the stock settings if need be? Or would it require a trip to the dealership and thus a voided warranty?

3)The site says that it “removes” the torque management. What exactly does that mean? What difference will I notice as a result?

Thanks in advance!
Author:  KW AV8R [ Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:42 pm ]
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I don't know about points 2 and 3 but in regards to point 1 . . . unless you plan to move sometime soon you really won't have to worry about emissions. As of Jan 01, 2007, there will no longer be an emissions test in the state of Colorado. Just something to think about.
Author:  Skyjump136 [ Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:20 pm ]
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My understanding was that there would still be a test, but it would just require two successful trips past the mobile testing units they set up next to highway on ramps. The only change was that you didn't have to actually go to the emissions place...they just send your certificate in the mail automatically after you pass the highway testing. I believe it also varies by city and county though.
Author:  DJBassman [ Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:34 pm ]
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I talked to the DMV about this, last week I think, they said, yes, there is no emission test. but, not all the rules are out yet. I was asking becuase I have a 1992 saturn that I have parked and been working on for about three years. And now I am ready with it and was going to go get it registered again. which now, I will just wait until January. I was asking if over 10 year old cars would not need a test, and the word was, as of today, no, but all the rules are not out yet.
Author:  Skyjump136 [ Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:44 pm ]
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Cool.
Author:  KY Liberty [ Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: B&G Jeep Liberty Flash Questions
Skyjump136 wrote:
Couple of questions for those who know…

1)Their site says that theses are for off road vehicles only and may cause you to fail your emissions test. Does anyone have any experience with this?

2)If I use this is there an easy way to get back to the stock settings if need be? Or would it require a trip to the dealership and thus a voided warranty?

3)The site says that it “removes” the torque management. What exactly does that mean? What difference will I notice as a result?

Thanks in advance!


1) They list it as off road only so it doesn't have to pass testing. It's not supposed to be used on the road. If you decide to use it on the road, it simply may not pass an emmisions test as it will change the emmissions by changing the settings of the PCM.

2) You can purchase an extra PCM from Autocraft. Make sure they program your VIN to it. Send it to B&G to be flashed. When you get it back go to a good dealership with both PCMs and both of your keys. Switch the PCMs, which requires removing the battery. Have the dealership program your keys to the new PCM so it will run for more than 2 seconds. Start it up and wait for it to idle smoothly. It may take 1-2 minutes. Start out driving with a light foot. Then start driving it more aggressively over the next few days. It will program itself to your Jeep and your driving style. You also have the original that you can put back in if you ever need to. The dealership can not void your warranty for such a modification. They would have to prove in court that the modification caused the malfunction. They could then not cover that malfunction, but still could not void your warrantly.

3)The idea behind torque management is to cut back the power to give a smooth comfortable ride that can't damage the drivetrain. You probably notice it when you try to take off from a stop, during shifts, and from around 3000 to 4000 rpm. Just seems to not get the power to the ground. What is happening is the PCM is calculating the "Delivered Engine Torque" based on sensor inputs. The PCM is then retarding the ignition timing to reduce engine torque by a percentage that is based on the engine's torque output and the torque management table. Deleting the torque management means setting the values in the torque management table to 0%. This allows you to take off better, shift faster, advances the timing, and doesn't retard the timing when you start making too much power.
Author:  mikekj_cda [ Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: B&G Jeep Liberty Flash Questions
KY Liberty wrote:
Skyjump136 wrote:
Couple of questions for those who know…

3)The site says that it “removes” the torque management. What exactly does that mean? What difference will I notice as a result?

3)The idea behind torque management is to cut back the power to give a smooth comfortable ride that can't damage the drivetrain. You probably notice it when you try to take off from a stop, during shifts, and from around 3000 to 4000 rpm. Just seems to not get the power to the ground. What is happening is the PCM is calculating the "Delivered Engine Torque" based on sensor inputs. The PCM is then retarding the ignition timing to reduce engine torque by a percentage that is based on the engine's torque output and the torque management table. Deleting the torque management means setting the values in the torque management table to 0%. This allows you to take off better, shift faster, advances the timing, and doesn't retard the timing when you start making too much power.

once again I learnt something new :idea: :!: . Thx for the turtorial KY :)
Author:  Jeepjeepster [ Wed Oct 11, 2006 9:54 pm ]
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Which dealer did you get all that done at Kylibby? They must of been a good one to know what they were doing and actaully do it for ya.. I was needing to get my rims replaced(peeling) and was needing to find a good dealer in the area..
Author:  KY Liberty [ Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:28 pm ]
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I only had the dealership on Nicholasville Rd program the keys to it. I was there for around an hour. If you have them swap the PCM, they'll charge you extra for pulling the battery. I got one set of rims that were peeling replaced at Freedom, but it took multiple phone calls, multiple trips, months, and an entire day without my Jeep.
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