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Author:  REKIII [ Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:37 pm ]
Post subject:  ESP, Traction control, trajectory control, nannies....
Well we got some snow here today, I know it's April, but I'm in Wisconsin, so this is normal.

Anyway I just got my 06 Liberty Limited a couple days ago and this is the first snow I've been in with it. So far the ESP and all the other crap sucks. I even have the ESP off, which I come to find out only partially turns some of the systems off.

Is there a way to turn everything off with the exception of the ABS?

Apparrently the general public does not know how to countersteer cause this thing freaks when I do that. Anything sideways is forbidded.

If there is a better place for this let me know, I'm a newbie.

Thanks.

Bob
Author:  spoonplugger1 [ Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:53 pm ]
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If you want to ice race it you should have bought the '05. LOL. It does what it's supposed to do, keep you from skidding uncontrollably. Does take the fun out of the parking lot at night runs though.
One guy tried to run on ice so slick, he didn't have enough traction to turn off even one wheels traction control, it wouldn't move, thought it was a defect, I thought the computer was smarter than the driver. You want the traction control to leave you alone, some, stud up or chain up is my suggestion.
Author:  Donkeykong [ Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:28 pm ]
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I dunno, the ESP can be a royal PITA.

Just today two things happened:

1: I went down a rough curb, it took about a second or two before power would be delivered. It's a good thing I hadn't just pulled in fromt of someone bigger than me.

2: I went to make a right turn, the inside of the turn was slush snow, the outside was dry as ever (we just had 17" of snow here on easter), nothing.... wait for it, wait for it, power.

Mine is a '06.

I might take it into the stealership to have their opinion of this.
-Mark
Author:  BoyNamedSue [ Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:30 pm ]
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It is absolutely ridiculous that you don't have the option to turn it off completely !!!

That would actually make sense as would giving me a tranny dipstick on my '07.
Author:  moose [ Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:40 pm ]
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We are going to have to find out how to kill this thing. The only way to do it now would be to find the DSS module and unplug it. Your ESP, TC and ABS would then be off. (per the Dodge Charger guys)
Author:  Donkeykong [ Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:45 pm ]
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Yeah, moose is on a mission to "Kill ESP"

While it's on my mind:
Why not comment in the vendor suggestion thread that I just created?
-Mark
Author:  Donkeykong [ Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:50 pm ]
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Yeah, as I said, moose is on a mission....
He was on that thread like a fly on.........
-Mark
Author:  REKIII [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:01 am ]
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I'm all for having the option to completely turn it off.

Almost every other vehicle with TC can turn it part ways off and all the way off.

There were times I liked it, I could feel it doing things on the snow covered hwy, but when navigating side streets and accelerating sideways around corners it just couln't handle the points when my front tires were not pointed in the direction the jeep was sliding. I will admidt, that although I hate it, it got the nose pointed in the correct direction pretty quick, so at least it works.

I'll check out the vendor thread.

Thanks for the opinions!

Bob
Author:  BVCRD [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:29 am ]
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I wouldn't dream of turning it off. It has saved me more than once.
Author:  moose [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:37 am ]
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BVCRD wrote:
I wouldn't dream of turning it off. It has saved me more than once.


I will admit that it works well in bad weather, but I would like to turn it off. Then again, mine is schizo frantic and engages on dry pavement...
Author:  Donkeykong [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:14 am ]
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Moose, you sig says something about fixing her? What did I miss?

As far as the esp, mine has activated on dry pavement for instance, I pull out of my driveway enough to feel the bump, the ESP kicks in.

I would want the ability to turn it off and back on from the cabin.
-Mark
Author:  scoobybri [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:35 am ]
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Just from looking at the posts about killing ESP, it seems like a large percentage of ESP haters are those with the manual tranny. Like I've said before, I've got an '07 with an auto and it never "accidently" goes off. It only triggers when I'm actually losing traction. This is probably due to the fact that the auto tranny is computer controlled as well. The ESP can't control how you shift or accelerate with a manual, so you can push the Libby into working outside of the box that ESP considers normal driving. Sounds like DC needed to have tuned the ESP a little differently for the manual vs. auto.
Author:  Donkeykong [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:41 am ]
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I'll agree.

There have been two users who have wanted to get rid of their new manual libbies because of the ESP.

Does anyone with an auto want to kill esp for rock crawling?
-Mark
Author:  AndySRT [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:44 am ]
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Donkeykong wrote:
I'll agree.

There have been two users who have wanted to get rid of their new manual libbies because of the ESP.

Does anyone with an auto want to kill esp for rock crawling?
-Mark


Mine seems to work well when crawling. but id still like to see what happens when its off compared to when its on. I still plan on adding a ARB air locker to my rear axle sometime in the next year. so we'll see how that goes with the ESP. :lol:
Author:  REKIII [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:03 pm ]
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Mine is an auto. I really can't comment on the climbing aspect although it seems logical that it would help while climbing up but could hurt when going down.

A switch to turn it off really doesn't seem that far fetched.

This is a good discussion though, it's great to hear others opinions on this.

Bob
Author:  Donkeykong [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:17 pm ]
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REKIII wrote:
Mine is an auto. I really can't comment on the climbing aspect although it seems logical that it would help while climbing up but could hurt when going down.


The ESP doesn't seem to effect brake power if that is what you mean about going down, it seems to create havoc with power delivery tho....
-Mark
Author:  Jeger [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:27 pm ]
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All you would have to do is switch the fuse circuit for the ABS, of course this also disables the ABS. You would still have to push the ESP button to partially off mode every time you startup to disable the throttle reduction.
Author:  BVCRD [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:31 pm ]
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moose wrote:
BVCRD wrote:
I wouldn't dream of turning it off. It has saved me more than once.


I will admit that it works well in bad weather, but I would like to turn it off. Then again, mine is schizo frantic and engages on dry pavement...



I had thought about turning mine off in the summer when the roads were bone dry. There are a lot of sharp turns where we are in the canyon, and I was thinking that with the lean in turns, it may be applying the brakes and I was loosing some mpg's. I never did, because we run a deer and elk guantlet each morning and even on the dry, if we were to swerv and spin, to try to miss one of those suckas, we would either hit the cliffs or the Arkansas River. I figure it may be a good life saving tool in that case as well.
Author:  REKIII [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:26 pm ]
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Donkeykong wrote:
REKIII wrote:
Mine is an auto. I really can't comment on the climbing aspect although it seems logical that it would help while climbing up but could hurt when going down.


The ESP doesn't seem to effect brake power if that is what you mean about going down, it seems to create havoc with power delivery tho....
-Mark


Right so it might not hurt the descent but it might make it slower or less responsive. It seems that it flips out if you jostle the front around a lot during braking (going down a curb etc...) so during descent you are turning the tires a lot but not really changing trajectory which messes with the sensors.

Bob
Author:  Donkeykong [ Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:08 pm ]
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Bob, when I have a problem with the curbs is when the rear wheels are jostled while under power. I haven't really ever had a problem under braking.... in fact besides from the ABS and the brake boost feature which adds brake power in emergency situations I don't think that it has any effect. Although when everything dumped off my seat when I hadn't increased my braking force I was slightly confused. :oops:
-Mark
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