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Last year in the end of July I purchased my Patriot Blue Sport 4x4 3.7 L and a automatic. After many weeks of pondering this situation. How can you indentify a '02 Lowered for saftey issues and one that has never been touched. I'm an OLD Time Shade Tree Mechanic, I even have the original shop Manual for my KJ (got this with the Jeep at the stealership) I new they were raping me but I got a lot of goodies out of MEDVED JEEP in Colorado. If someone would let me know how to tell I would feel a whole lot better. Not to mention get me in the proper direction for mods.
Please advise!!! I am planing to in the distant future replacing my suspencion with a Airbagit full Air Ride suspension system.. I admit it is pricy but since it will not only help off road but add so much more road maners on the street. I agree it ain't cheap but having the ability to squat down on the highway or even back roads to corner and perform like a sports car. Come to the end of the road hit the lift button and get what ever lift you require for this run and change it to each driving situation. How COOL could that be :idea:

Author:	Rush345 [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:27 am ]
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Last year in the end of July I purchased my Patriot Blue Sport 4x4 3.7 L and a automatic. After many weeks of pondering this situation. How can you indentify a '02 Lowered for saftey issues and one that has never been touched. I'm an OLD Time Shade Tree Mechanic, I even have the original shop Manual for my KJ (got this with the Jeep at the stealership) I new they were raping me but I got a lot of goodies out of MEDVED JEEP in Colorado. If someone would let me know how to tell I would feel a whole lot better. Not to mention get me in the proper direction for mods. Please advise!!! I am planing to in the distant future replacing my suspencion with a Airbagit full Air Ride suspension system.. I admit it is pricy but since it will not only help off road but add so much more road maners on the street. I agree it ain't cheap but having the ability to squat down on the highway or even back roads to corner and perform like a sports car. Come to the end of the road hit the lift button and get what ever lift you require for this run and change it to each driving situation. How COOL could that be

Author:	Dutchy [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:42 am ]
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Hi Rush345, The pre-lowered KJ has rear drumbrakes. I owned a 2002 pre lowered KJ and I now own a 2003 KJ, the first year I kept banging my head getting in my 2003 KJ as it is that much lower and I keep banging the front skid on the slightest bump. So you have crap rear brakes but good ground clearance

Author:	JJsTJ [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:55 am ]
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IIRC, The build month will be pre-April 2002 for a pre-lowered. Those built after April of 2002 were lowered.

Author:	Jeepjeepster [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:35 am ]
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But he also has the 45rfe tranny. I would give up rear disc brakes for that tranny. You can tell just by looking at the Jeep. Park next to a jeep that you know is 03+ and look at them. Its easy to tell if you have the pre-lowered.

Author:	sleeve84028 [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:37 am ]
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The cut off was April. If your Liberty was built in 2001 or pre April 2002, it's got the longer springs and original tuning on the powersteering pump. At least the drum brakes have a parking brake that works.

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Author:	Gris [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:08 am ]
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sleeve84028 wrote: At least the drum brakes have a parking brake that works. No, not really. I have a 5-spd. The parking brake on my '02 pre sucks hairy goat junk. I've had the cable replaced, tightened, brakes done, whatever over the course of 3 years and just stopped relying on it. I turn the wheel to full lock when I park on a hill so the jeep will roll into the curb god forbid is starts moving. Had it in the driveway (which is a moderate hill), in 1st gear, with the P-brake on and it started moving. Thank god the wheel was turned just enough to guide it into my front yard instead of down the whole driveway. Since then, I ALWAYS keep the steering locked to one side. I've experienced slippage while parked too many times to ever trust the e-brake again. I even carry a set of chalks (sp?) around just in case.

Author:	sleeve84028 [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 9:56 am ]
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Wierd... I've never had a problem with my parking brake. Oh well

Author:	myjeepwalks [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:47 am ]
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sleeve84028 wrote: Wierd... I've never had a problem with my parking brake. Oh well Same here mine works fine.

Author:	CaKJFreedom [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:50 am ]
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I'll roll a good couple of inches with my brake pulled all the way. If you find a 2002, they could have swapped out the springs/shocks/struts by now just from wear and tear.....

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 12:32 pm ]
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That's the only part of my brakes that really works,my parking brake ,can't beat drums for the best parking brakes.Oh and you could get rear disc's and the 45RFE(early '03 models,rare but have seen them).The offical cutoff date for "lowered" and "prelowered" is April 12th 2002.

Author:	Rush345 [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: '02 Sport 4x4
Rush345 wrote: Last year in the end of July I purchased my Patriot Blue Sport 4x4 3.7 L and a automatic. After many weeks of pondering this situation. How can you indentify a '02 Lowered for saftey issues and one that has never been touched. I'm an OLD Time Shade Tree Mechanic, I even have the original shop Manual for my KJ (got this with the Jeep at the stealership) I new they were raping me but I got a lot of goodies out of MEDVED JEEP in Colorado. If someone would let me know how to tell I would feel a whole lot better. Not to mention get me in the proper direction for mods. Please advise!!! I am planing to in the distant future replacing my suspencion with a Airbagit full Air Ride suspension system.. I admit it is pricy but since it will not only help off road but add so much more road maners on the street. I agree it ain't cheap but having the ability to squat down on the highway or even back roads to corner and perform like a sports car. Come to the end of the road hit the lift button and get what ever lift you require for this run and change it to each driving situation. How COOL could that be I show Delivery of 03/11/03. I know the vin will tell me when it was built I have a copy of the build sheet: VIN: 1J4GL48K6-2W154287 Desc: 2002 ? JEEP LIBERTY SPORT 4X4 SPORT UTILITY 4-DR M5 - Cloth High-Back Bucket Seats -DV - Dark Slate Gray AHMP - Convenience Group I AJPP - Power Convenience Group APAS - Monotone Paint A33P - 3.7L Eng(EKG)/4Spd A/T 45RFE(DG4) BAZP - 136 Amp Alternator BCPS - 525 Amp Maintenance Free Battery BRBS - Power Front Disc/Rear Drum Brakes CDBS - Reclining Front Seats CF5S - Rear 65/35 Folding Split Seat CGGS - Traveling Inboard Seat Belt Buckle CGUS - Child Seat Anchor System-LATCH Ready CGXS - RR Head Restraints Outboard Seating CG1S - Next Gen Multistage Front Air Bags* CG6S - Center Rear 3-Point Seat Belt CKBS - Floor Carpet CKNS - Cargo Compartment Carpet CKTS - Cargo Tie Down Loops CLEP - Front & Rear Floor Mats CLJP - Swing Gate Trim Panel w/Storage Net CLNS - Covered Exterior Sill CLPS - Door Sill Scuff Pads CSRS - Passenger Assist Handles CSWS - Driver Assist Handle CTLS - Base Door Trim Panel CUFS - Full Length Floor Console CUKS - Removable Ash Tray DGBS - All 4-Speed Automatic Transmissions DG4 - Multi-Speed Auto 45RFE Transmission DHAP - Lock-Up Torque Converter DHNS - Command-Trac Part Time 4WD System DJJS - Dana 30/186MM Front Axle DMEP - 3.73 Axle Ratio DRAP - Corporate 8.25 Rear Axle DSA - Anti-Spin Differential Rear Axle EKG - 3.7L V6 Engine GBBS - Tinted Windshield Glass GCBS - Front Door Tinted Glass GEG - Deep Tint Sunscreen Glass GEKS - Flipper Swing Gate Glass GFAS - Rear Window Defroster GNAS - Rear View Day/Night Mirror GNCP - Sun Visors w/Illum Vanity Mirrors GTS - Power Heated Mirrors, Fold-Away GVBC - All Vehicles W/Power Mirrors GXMP - Remote Keyless Entry HAAP - Air Conditioning I24S - Route 24 - UP, Rolla, CO JAYS - Instrument Cluster w/Tach JCBS - 120 MPH Primary Speedometer JHAS - Var Intermittent Windshield Wipers JHBS - Rear Window Wiper/Washer JJAS - Cigar Lighter JJBS - Dual Note Electric Horns JJJS - 12V Auxiliary Power Outlet JJMP - Auxiliary 12-Volt Rear Power Outlet JKHS - Glove Box JPDP - Power Windows, Driver One-Touch JPHP - Speed Sensitive Power Locks K1AS - No description found K3AS - STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR LACP - Illuminated Entry LAJS - Headlamps On Warning Chimes LBDS - Ash Tray Lamp LCDP - Map/Dome Reading Lamps LDBP - Cargo Compartment Lamp LHDS - Headlamp Off Time Delay LMAS - Halogen Headlamps LNJ - Fog Lamps LPSS - CHMSL Lamp MDAP - Front License Plate Bracket MFKS - Body Color Grille MHAS - Black Windshield Moldings MLCS - Gray Fascias MMGS - Belt Moldings MNAS - Black Door Handles MVCS - Jeep Badge MVDS - 4X4 Badge MVJS - Sport Badge MWGP - Roof Rack MZLP - 3.7L Badge MZ3S - Liberty Badge NAS - 50 State Emissions NBHP - High Altitude Emissions Tracking NBKS - EVAP Control System NBVP - Low Emission Vehicle (LEV) NF2S - 18.5 Gallon Fuel Tank NHFS - Power Steering Cooler NHM - Speed Control PB7 - Patriot Blue Pearl Coat QB7S - Patriot Blue Pearl Coat RAAC - All Radio Equipped Vehicles RBK - AM/FM Compact Disc Radio w/Chgr Ctrl RCGS - 6 Speakers RDDS - Fixed Long Mast Antenna REM - 6-Disc Remote CD Changer SBAS - Power Rack and Pinion Steering SCGP - Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel SDAS - Normal Duty Suspension SUAP - Tilt Steering Column TBBP - Full Size Spare Tire TBRS - Outside Tire Carrier TMXS - P215/75R16 BSW All Season Tires TZAP - Goodyear Brand Tires WKBS - Matching Spare Wheel WLZC - All Aluminum Wheels WND - 16X7.0 Cast Aluminum Wheels XEUS - Front Suspension Skid Plate XGGS - Grocery Bag Hooks XPFS - Protective Coating and Remover YAAS - Build To U S Market Specifications YEP - Manuf Statement of Origin YGEA - 5 Additional Gallons of Gas ZCHP - Spring - Left Front ZCUP - Spring - Left Rear ZRGP - Spring - Right Front ZRUP - Spring - Right Rear Z5BP - Payload Rating - 1800# 0ABA - No description found 0ACA - No description found 0ADA - No description found 1AAS - U.S. Dealer Retail 174S - Zone 74-Denver 2TBA - Customer Preferred Package 2TB 27B - Customer Preferred Package 27B 3VDA - Customer Preferred Discount 5I4S - Four Wheel Drive (4WD)/(4X4) 5I8S - Left Hand Drive (LHD) 5YAS - KJ-Vehicle Family 594S - Vehicle Order Tracking 6USS - Label - U.S. Specifications 606S - Colorado State Code 906S - Colorado State Code What numbers do I need to be looking at to figure out it's Born ON DATE????

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:56 pm ]
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Open the drivers door,on the edge off the door is a white tag,it has the tire info and such,it will have the manufactured date under the VIN,just the month and year(mine is 02/02-feb of '02).Since the delievery date is in '03 I highly doubt it sat at the factory for over a year,I'd say it is a lowered KJ.

Author:	Rush345 [ Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:01 pm ]
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tjkj2002 wrote: Open the drivers door,on the edge off the door is a white tag,it has the tire info and such,it will have the manufactured date under the VIN,just the month and year(mine is 02/02-feb of '02).Since the delievery date is in '03 I highly doubt it sat at the factory for over a year,I'd say it is a lowered KJ. Thanks RL I appreciate it.

Author:	warholamo [ Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:24 am ]
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I've got rear drums and mine was manuf'ed in May of '02. Does the theory hold?

Author:	sleeve84028 [ Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:26 am ]
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Cool! Your truck is unique. Or the plant was just using up some inventory remaining??? My truck was a January 02 build I think - I'll have to check again

Author:	FastTRX [ Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:53 am ]
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I've heard the Pre-Lowered 02's have the 4X4 badge behind the last rear window on both sides of the KJ. Mine's Pre-Lowered and has this, so I'm guessing there's some truth to this.

Author:	Guest [ Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:28 pm ]
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Mine has it in both the tailgate and by the rear side glass...it's a late build '02 (mid or late march IIRC)

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Author:	sleeve84028 [ Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:05 am ]
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That was the original placement for the 4x4 indication. I always thought that it was a cost savings move to cut the badge down to 1 and move it to the tail gate.

Author:	Prospect62 [ Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:15 am ]
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I think all 2002 models have drum brakes - throughout the model year. The pre-lowered version stopped being made in April 2002 and the most accurate indicator is the "4x4" badge location. Pre-lowered models have the "4x4" under the rear most side window. Models made after April 2002 with the "lower" suspension have the "4x4" badge on the tailgate.