I'm not sure which is more tragic that drinking was involved or the loss of a young life What a waste
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| Author: | Tokyojoe [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | A good reason not to drink and off-road |
Stupidity when off-roading. A good reason official LOST events don't allow drinking out on the trails. http://www.9news.com/news/top-article.aspx?storyid=77828 |
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| Author: | Rush345 [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | I Agree 100% |
I'm not sure which is more tragic that drinking was involved or the loss of a young life What a waste
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| Author: | Diggerfreek [ Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:48 pm ] |
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it's so sad ...I wish some one would have stopped them
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| Author: | Rush345 [ Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Just caught the Sunday Night News |
They have charged the young man who was driving with vehicular homicide. Now he has to face that plus live with the fact the due to his irresponsibilty one of his freinds is dead. It just gets more and more tragic 
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| Author: | Rockjeep [ Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:27 pm ] |
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I feel very sorry for the family that lost there child. However I have no feelings for the driver and hope he is convected for the murder of his friend. This guy is the same as someone who shoots and kills someone in my eyes. I would like to see him do some long time in jail and never be able to drive again. Its not like his friend died in a freek traffic accident. |
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| Author: | SoDakJeep [ Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:42 pm ] |
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k i know its a bad thing and all....but why did he swerve im sure theres more to the story. Granted drinking and driving is bad but normally on a 4wd trail isnt the speed kept down and dont just blame the driver as everyone in the car im sure knew what they were doing and knew the driver was drinking. It could have been a freak accident where a deer jumped out and he swerved to miss or falling rocks haha i dk. Yes drinking driving is very bad but you cant place all the blame on the driver everyone in that car knew hat they were drinking. Just trying to keep an open mind you know but it deffinetly is a tragic. |
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| Author: | Rockjeep [ Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm ] |
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Sorry, but my mind will never change on this type of topic. Once you drink and decided to drive you put yourself and everyone else in danger. I have lost family to a drunk driver and look to every drunk driver as the lowest sucm on the earth and they all deserve to get the most punishment there is. Maybe if he were sober he would have been able to handle driving the car. Sorry again but I will never change my mind. And if I was on a jury for a drunk driver it would be a guilty vote for me every time. |
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| Author: | SoDakJeep [ Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:08 pm ] |
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^^^ i totally agree but everyone else in the car was drinking weren't they at least thats what i thought after reading the article. So you cant just blame the driver is all I am saying. They knew he was drinking they could have got out and walked or found another ride. |
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| Author: | KJ04 [ Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:37 pm ] |
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In the article the Sgt. states, that the troopers "believe" the driver was drinking, but "didn't know" if the passengers were drinking. He also states that, "None Of Them" were wearing a seatbelt. So why didn't they do a blood alcohol test if they "believed" the driver was drinking 
Also, the 20 yr. old victim( thrown from the vehecle, not wearing a seatbelt) had a fake I.D. for 22, guess they didn't "believe" he was drinking either. I'd have to conclude that they were all at blame. |
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| Author: | Dje Ryu [ Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:32 pm ] |
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Almost sounds like the one that died is the one who supplied the rest of the minors with alcohol. Perhaps this is just instant karma at work? I wasn't there, don't know any of the real facts... makes it hard to really judge... even harder considering I AM "on call" for jury duty for the next 6 months.  I hope I don't have to deal with any crap like this.
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| Author: | Rush345 [ Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | I am trying not to Judge |
As I stated earlier this is a tragic occurence. Yes, IF their was no alcohol involved IF all were wearing seat belts. this whole story might have a different ending. But since none of us were there How do we know? Some of you are around his age I'm a lot older and for the rest of us who are older. Remember when you were 20??? We were imortal, indestuctable and new the answers to every thing. If anyone denies it I'm happy for you for reaching so much intlelgence and wisdom and perfection at such a young age. What I still maintain is it's just tragic, Youth, Alcohol, and Carelessness, usually end badly. I'm not saying forgive them but don't throw any stones either. 
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| Author: | Dje Ryu [ Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:32 pm ] |
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I wasn't throwing stones. I hope it didn't sound like I was. I agree, IF they had been wearing seat belts, the results probably would have been drastically different... alcohol involved, or not. (but still, don't drink and drive. That's just stupid). This is actually tragic in another way that not many of US think about but, those who are trying to close our trails will certainly be using these sort of events in the not-very-distant future. |
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| Author: | Tokyojoe [ Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:35 pm ] |
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They were Frat brothers and there were others around watching. This was an unofficial Frat retreat, per the TV news. With that info, chances are good (but not 100% definite) that: 1. horseplay was involved and they were goofing off in the vehicle 2. alcohol was involved 3. underage drinking occurred 4. if the passenger, that died, had been wearing his seatbelt, he would be alive right now There's no room for horseplay in your vehicle, drinking alcohol, and not wearing your seatbelt when driving on trails. |
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| Author: | Rush345 [ Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:41 pm ] |
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Tokyojoe wrote: They were Frat brothers and there were others around watching. This was an unofficial Frat retreat, per the TV news.
With that info, chances are good (but not 100% definite) that: 1. horseplay was involved and they were goofing off in the vehicle 2. alcohol was involved 3. underage drinking occurred 4. if the passenger, that died, had been wearing his seatbelt, he would be alive right now There's no room for horseplay in your vehicle, drinking alcohol, and not wearing your seatbelt when driving on trails. That is sort of what I was trying to say you articulated it better then I did Thank-You 
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