I know this isn't what you're lookin' for, but I couldn't resist.
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| Author: | VoodooMann [ Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Fuel Cans On the Swing Gate |
I know I had seen someone who had mounted a jerry can on their rear gate using some slotted angle iron, but I can't seem to find the thread with the useless search function... I seem to remember the KJ being either bright silver or khaki... Thanks, Andy |
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| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:34 am ] |
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I know this isn't what you're lookin' for, but I couldn't resist.
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| Author: | Boiler [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:53 am ] |
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I'm assuming they attached it under the spare tire mounting bracket? |
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| Author: | dgeist [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:43 pm ] |
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That's something like 50 pounds of fuel (without the can) so that would be an awful lot of stress on the factory hinges and mounts that already carry a lot of weight from the spare tire. If you removed the spare, you could bolt a jerry-can holder (adventure trailers or similar) to the spare-tire mount assembly with some thru-bolts. Otherwise, the only way you'd want to do it and not risk bending the tailgate under a shock load would be to offset the tire to one side and the fuel can to the other (again, using the factory spare mounting points)...but that's still a lot of weight for the factory tailgate. Mounting it our farther back past the tire would put more torsional stress of the mount than you probably want (imagine a bike rack with 50 pounds of bikes hanging off the spare and bouncing around over bumps offroad... but filled with flamable liquid). Unless you have a hard bumper mount, I think inside the rig or on the roof are both much safer for fuel cans. Dan |
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| Author: | VoodooMann [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:46 pm ] |
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It's actually only about 30-35 with the can depending on temperature |
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| Author: | Boiler [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:51 pm ] |
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dgeist wrote: inside the rig
Yuck. Andy you need to get a couple of those flat gas cans and strap them to the roof rack. I'm guessing they'd fit between the crossbars, not sure how long they are. |
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| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:17 pm ] |
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dgeist wrote: That's something like 50 pounds of fuel (without the can) so that would be an awful lot of stress on the factory hinges and mounts that already carry a lot of weight from the spare tire. If you removed the spare, you could bolt a jerry-can holder (adventure trailers or similar) to the spare-tire mount assembly with some thru-bolts. Otherwise, the only way you'd want to do it and not risk bending the tailgate under a shock load would be to offset the tire to one side and the fuel can to the other (again, using the factory spare mounting points)...but that's still a lot of weight for the factory tailgate. Mounting it our farther back past the tire would put more torsional stress of the mount than you probably want (imagine a bike rack with 50 pounds of bikes hanging off the spare and bouncing around over bumps offroad... but filled with flamable liquid).
Unless you have a hard bumper mount, I think inside the rig or on the roof are both much safer for fuel cans. Dan I couldn't have said it any better than dgeist. That rear tailgate can't take much more weight than what is was designed for. |
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| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:26 pm ] |
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VoodooMann wrote: It's actually only about 30-35 with the can depending on temperature
Correct, Gasoline weighs about 6lbs per gallon. Technically speaking, I think one gallon of gasoline weighs 6.25 lbs at 72 degrees. But for simple math, you are looking at 30 lbs of gasoline in a 5 gallon fuel can. |
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| Author: | AZKJ [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:17 am ] |
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The metal jerry cans weigh in close to 10.5 lbs and 5 gal of fuel on a 72* day, at 6.25 lbs is 31.5 lbs. Add them both up and it comes to 41.75 bs total. The Expedition One Geri Fuel Pack is 34"x13.5"x3.25" and holds 4 gal of fuel. http://www.expeditionone.biz/Geri_intro.htm It's very strong and durable, yet light weight. The three times I've used mine it has kept a tight seal and no fumes entered the Jeep. I don't have a roof rack on my JK so I had to store them inside. They're expensive... $69.95 each. but in my opinion they are well worth it and I'd recommend them. The caps fit tight because of the thick construction, but the seals won't last forever and will have to be replaced at some point. A minor inconvenience for the space and weight savings they provide over the 5 gal metal jerry cans. 
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| Author: | VoodooMann [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:00 am ] |
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problem is I already have 3 NATO jerry cans, so I'm really not looking to spend any money for something my dad has had for 15+ years unused 
I know someone used the studs on the spare mount behind it to hold one jerry can mount, I almost want to say it was Riptricket, but I may be incorrect... |
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| Author: | riptricket [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:03 am ] |
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it was not I sir, but thanks for the gesture! |
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| Author: | Neatus [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:11 am ] |
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AZKJ wrote: The metal jerry cans weigh in close to 10.5 lbs and 5 gal of fuel on a 72* day, at 6.25 lbs is 31.5 lbs. Add them both up and it comes to 41.75 bs total.
The Expedition One Geri Fuel Pack is 34"x13.5"x3.25" and holds 4 gal of fuel. http://www.expeditionone.biz/Geri_intro.htm It's very strong and durable, yet light weight. The three times I've used mine it has kept a tight seal and no fumes entered the Jeep. I don't have a roof rack on my JK so I had to store them inside. They're expensive... $69.95 each. but in my opinion they are well worth it and I'd recommend them. The caps fit tight because of the thick construction, but the seals won't last forever and will have to be replaced at some point. A minor inconvenience for the space and weight savings they provide over the 5 gal metal jerry cans. The new military jerry cans are plastic. I have two and they are tough, light and they just have a cool old school look. I think you can find them new for about $30 bucks and they are a dime a dozen used. I have seen AJs flat gas cans and they are slick but the cost isn't worth it to me. |
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| Author: | candpliberty [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:01 pm ] |
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Here's a pretty complete list of suppliers of gas cans and bracketry to carry them. http://4wheeldrive.about.com/od/jerrycans/Jerry_Cans_Racks_Holders_Mounts_For_Transporting_Gasoline_Off_Road.htm |
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| Author: | tonycrd [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:14 pm ] |
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As much as I love what RLF build...I would like something like this 
But then double, spare tire and gas can...cheaper..easier to ship too. |
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| Author: | VoodooMann [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:30 pm ] |
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that plastic rear bumper of ours wouldn't take much, If any of that weight... I can barely step up on mine without it trying to come off on me |
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| Author: | tonycrd [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:23 pm ] |
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Yep...but: we do have 3 mounting holes on each side of the unibody where the rear hitch and fueltank skid bolt into. The RLF rear bumper bolts on to those 6 holes. Now if we fitted 2 steel beams to those holes, which stick out of the plastic bumper...we could then take it from there... |
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| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:43 pm ] |
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Neatus wrote: The new military jerry cans are plastic. I have two and they are tough, light and they just have a cool old school look. I think you can find them new for about $30 bucks and they are a dime a dozen used. I have seen AJs flat gas cans and they are slick but the cost isn't worth it to me. Do you have any links that sell these plastic jerry cans? |
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| Author: | tomsjeep [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:07 pm ] |
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dieselenthusiast wrote: Neatus wrote: The new military jerry cans are plastic. I have two and they are tough, light and they just have a cool old school look. I think you can find them new for about $30 bucks and they are a dime a dozen used. I have seen AJs flat gas cans and they are slick but the cost isn't worth it to me. Do you have any links that sell these plastic jerry cans? Sceptre(scepter?) makes the military ones. They are something a notch beyond plastic... I've seen a full one fall off a truck and go skidding and bouncing along the road (it was Army convoy speed, so it wasn't all that fast), it was retrieved and still worked fine, didn't spill a drop. Amaxon has a listing for some... http://www.amazon.com/Moeller-Resistant ... X7PAM552CM |
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| Author: | dieselenthusiast [ Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:15 pm ] |
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tomsjeep wrote: dieselenthusiast wrote: Neatus wrote: The new military jerry cans are plastic. I have two and they are tough, light and they just have a cool old school look. I think you can find them new for about $30 bucks and they are a dime a dozen used. I have seen AJs flat gas cans and they are slick but the cost isn't worth it to me. Do you have any links that sell these plastic jerry cans? Sceptre(scepter?) makes the military ones. They are something a notch beyond plastic... I've seen a full one fall off a truck and go skidding and bouncing along the road (it was Army convoy speed, so it wasn't all that fast), it was retrieved and still worked fine, didn't spill a drop. Amaxon has a listing for some... http://www.amazon.com/Moeller-Resistant ... X7PAM552CM Thank You Sir................ |
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| Author: | MojaveKJ [ Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:31 pm ] |
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What are the dimensions of the plastic military can? Can they be carried in the standard Jerry can mounts, like: http://www.amazon.com/Blitz-11412-Metal ... auto_img_b ...or... http://www.rocky-road.com/media/garvin_gas.jpg I like the lower weight plastic but keeping the traditional Jerry can style. I am considering mounting 2 of these to some sort of a tail-gate mount once the spare is moves to the roof rack. What other Jerry can mounts are out there? Thanks for the great information. |
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