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honestly, trading +4 years and possibly some more repair bills should there end up being issues unknown with the WJ to fix the ac is sorta going backwards

summers almost done, then youll have half a year to save up

let the wife drive the jeep for AC, suffer through the heat with her honda, buy WJ. just an idea.

In all honesty sell the KJ, you get a solid axle, 4.0 straight six (or 4.7 v8 :BANANA:

) and personally I like the look of them over KJ's. My Forman at work has a 04' with the rough country 4.5" lift & 33" revos and its pretty d&mn baller! More room in the rear too for storage, not much but 4-6" does make a difference! Only downside is they do feel a little bit more cramped in the cockpit. Of course I'm 6'3 300lbs so most cars are pretty cramped to me. I'd take the WJ turn it into a trail destroying beast the granny would be proud of and do with it what she would have if she was young again!

And scrap the honda :grim:

, buy american!

ramlebliberty wrote:

In all honesty sell the KJ, you get a solid axle, 4.0 straight six (or 4.7 v8 :BANANA:

, buy american!

Problem then is you get stuck with a engine that cracks heads(if 4.0 I6) for no reason and can never hold engine oil from the valve cover,oil pan,and rear main seal.Then you get the wonderfull death wobble even if 100% stock,and late model WJ's are very prone to it,more so if you even do a 1" BB lift.

regardless the WJ in my opinion is a better base platform than the KJ, My KJ randomly blew up for no reason (engine was replaced) at 16k miles. Yea the 4.0 leaks a littttttle oil, but it adds character. Rear main seal replacement should be a right of passage for anyone that wheels a jeep! And death wobble happens... deal with it

Keep what ever is paid off or has the smaller payment.

Agreed

To OP...........

Unless your having to replace every single piece of the AC system there is no way it will cost anything close to $3000,even at a dealership.If it needs a compressor and all required parts with that replacement it should not run more then $1000-$1200 at any good shop.I mean AC work is pricey but it's not a CRV which requires the engine to be removed to replace the compressor or some exotic brand that any part is big $$$ to start with.

ramlebliberty wrote:

In all honesty sell the KJ, you get a solid axle, 4.0 straight six (or 4.7 v8 :BANANA:

, buy american!

Problem then is you get stuck with a engine that cracks heads(if 4.0 I6) for no reason and can never hold engine oil from the valve cover,oil pan,and rear main seal.Then you get the wonderfull death wobble even if 100% stock,and late model WJ's are very prone to it,more so if you even do a 1" BB lift.

Keep what ever is paid off or has the smaller payment.

To OP...........

Unless your having to replace every single piece of the AC system there is no way it will cost anything close to $3000,even at a dealership.If it needs a compressor and all required parts with that replacement it should not run more then $1000-$1200 at any good shop.I mean AC work is pricey but it's not a CRV which requires the engine to be removed to replace the compressor or some exotic brand that any part is big $$$ to start with.

Agreed, get a second or 3rd opinion, some shops/dealers will rob you if your not careful.

With no car payments you could save up for some pretty awesome parts! You would save on insurance too! I like the 4.7's i believe the HO's started in 02. Good engine with decent power, and there's a little more performance upgrades for it than the 3.7.

I would try to keep both Jeeps unless the Honda is a commuter/travel car since even though jeeps are full of awesomeness they are not the greatest on the MPG.

I have a trusted friend that I let work on my cars, and he only does the work if I cant. Plus the more you dive into the guts of a vehicle the more you learn, then the next time there's a problem it takes you half the time to fix it, and you can save big $$$ doing a repair yourself.

after what troy just said about the crv.. i gotta CRV ill trade ya for the WJ.. and the honda.. it's got about 33k on it ...

does this help your decision at all?

Author:	liquidxit2 [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:06 pm ]
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Ok well my wifes grandma passed and she was an avid Jeep fan. You could say it was our common ground. Well she passed a 2002 WJ to her son who is trying to sell it, but said family gets first dibs. Well there in lies the probelm, I have a nostalgic attachment to the WJ being as I have always loved my wifes grandma as if she were my own and we always talked jeeps. Currently the jeep is going for $6000 and the only way to get it and fix my wifes ac on her honda is to sell the KJ. Currently we have no means to fix her AC as the way the go they take the whole system down. So basically it would be a trade a 2002 WJ and ac for the KJ. The flip side is I LOVE MY KJ! The best situation would be to keep both jeeps but alas that is not possible. I honestly wanted to buy a 98 or 2002 (redesign) GC and build it up as a nice family car since it will have alot more room then the KJ for kids. Then I planned to go hog wild and turn the KJ into a project vehicle. What do yall think of the deal? The WJ is a limited loaded and Im not 100% sure its the HO 4.7 but it has every option for the year I can think of and a shade over 100k.

Author:	JeepinJarhead03 [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:13 pm ]
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honestly, trading +4 years and possibly some more repair bills should there end up being issues unknown with the WJ to fix the ac is sorta going backwards summers almost done, then youll have half a year to save up

Author:	liquidxit2 [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:40 pm ]
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JeepinJarhead03 wrote: honestly, trading +4 years and possibly some more repair bills should there end up being issues unknown with the WJ to fix the ac is sorta going backwards summers almost done, then youll have half a year to save up The problem is the AC is going to be $3000 to fix and even if we get a great deal on parts we wont have the money to fix it by spring and having a newborn baby in our springs and summer would be bad.

Author:	irollgen4s [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:43 pm ]
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let the wife drive the jeep for AC, suffer through the heat with her honda, buy WJ. just an idea.

Author:	liquidxit2 [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:49 pm ]
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irollgen4s wrote: let the wife drive the jeep for AC, suffer through the heat with her honda, buy WJ. just an idea. Thats an idea. Honestly she would drive the WJ and Id drive the KJ as the KJ rides to rough.

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Author:	ramlebliberty [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:51 pm ]
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In all honesty sell the KJ, you get a solid axle, 4.0 straight six (or 4.7 v8 ) and personally I like the look of them over KJ's. My Forman at work has a 04' with the rough country 4.5" lift & 33" revos and its pretty d&mn baller! More room in the rear too for storage, not much but 4-6" does make a difference! Only downside is they do feel a little bit more cramped in the cockpit. Of course I'm 6'3 300lbs so most cars are pretty cramped to me. I'd take the WJ turn it into a trail destroying beast the granny would be proud of and do with it what she would have if she was young again! And scrap the honda , buy american!

Author:	irollgen4s [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:51 pm ]
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simply do that then. maybe even the WJ could be her car for a while, drop the honda with the expensive AC issue and then change something later on down the line. keeps a family heirloom with you guys, and keeps the other car that seems more important to you as well.

Author:	liquidxit2 [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:58 pm ]
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If we keep the KJ I will probably hold off on the WJ and wait a year or so until I can get a 5.9 ZJ or a definite HO WJ and fix the wifes AC.

Author:	tjkj2002 [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:00 pm ]
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ramlebliberty wrote: In all honesty sell the KJ, you get a solid axle, 4.0 straight six (or 4.7 v8 ) and personally I like the look of them over KJ's. My Forman at work has a 04' with the rough country 4.5" lift & 33" revos and its pretty d&mn baller! More room in the rear too for storage, not much but 4-6" does make a difference! Only downside is they do feel a little bit more cramped in the cockpit. Of course I'm 6'3 300lbs so most cars are pretty cramped to me. I'd take the WJ turn it into a trail destroying beast the granny would be proud of and do with it what she would have if she was young again! And scrap the honda , buy american! Problem then is you get stuck with a engine that cracks heads(if 4.0 I6) for no reason and can never hold engine oil from the valve cover,oil pan,and rear main seal.Then you get the wonderfull death wobble even if 100% stock,and late model WJ's are very prone to it,more so if you even do a 1" BB lift. Keep what ever is paid off or has the smaller payment. To OP........... Unless your having to replace every single piece of the AC system there is no way it will cost anything close to $3000,even at a dealership.If it needs a compressor and all required parts with that replacement it should not run more then $1000-$1200 at any good shop.I mean AC work is pricey but it's not a CRV which requires the engine to be removed to replace the compressor or some exotic brand that any part is big $$$ to start with.

Author:	501 [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:03 pm ]
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Keep the KJ for you, the WJ for her and sell the Honda. That way you'd still have your Jeep and she'd have Grandma's Jeep.

Author:	liquidxit2 [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:06 pm ]
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Yeah the ideal situation would be to get the WJ keep the KJ and honda. My wife loves my jeep and the idea behind it, but shes a honda girl and I cant in good conscience sell he honda and make her pay for my nostalgia. Im hoping we can keep all 3. But as it stands still on the fence about which way to go if we cant.

Author:	ramlebliberty [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:14 pm ]
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tjkj2002 wrote: ramlebliberty wrote: In all honesty sell the KJ, you get a solid axle, 4.0 straight six (or 4.7 v8 ) and personally I like the look of them over KJ's. My Forman at work has a 04' with the rough country 4.5" lift & 33" revos and its pretty d&mn baller! More room in the rear too for storage, not much but 4-6" does make a difference! Only downside is they do feel a little bit more cramped in the cockpit. Of course I'm 6'3 300lbs so most cars are pretty cramped to me. I'd take the WJ turn it into a trail destroying beast the granny would be proud of and do with it what she would have if she was young again! And scrap the honda , buy american! Problem then is you get stuck with a engine that cracks heads(if 4.0 I6) for no reason and can never hold engine oil from the valve cover,oil pan,and rear main seal.Then you get the wonderfull death wobble even if 100% stock,and late model WJ's are very prone to it,more so if you even do a 1" BB lift. regardless the WJ in my opinion is a better base platform than the KJ, My KJ randomly blew up for no reason (engine was replaced) at 16k miles. Yea the 4.0 leaks a littttttle oil, but it adds character. Rear main seal replacement should be a right of passage for anyone that wheels a jeep! And death wobble happens... deal with it Keep what ever is paid off or has the smaller payment. Agreed To OP........... Unless your having to replace every single piece of the AC system there is no way it will cost anything close to $3000,even at a dealership.If it needs a compressor and all required parts with that replacement it should not run more then $1000-$1200 at any good shop.I mean AC work is pricey but it's not a CRV which requires the engine to be removed to replace the compressor or some exotic brand that any part is big $$$ to start with. Agreed, get a second or 3rd opinion, some shops/dealers will rob you if your not careful.

Author:	liquidxit2 [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:20 pm ]
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tjkj2002 wrote: ramlebliberty wrote: In all honesty sell the KJ, you get a solid axle, 4.0 straight six (or 4.7 v8 ) and personally I like the look of them over KJ's. My Forman at work has a 04' with the rough country 4.5" lift & 33" revos and its pretty d&mn baller! More room in the rear too for storage, not much but 4-6" does make a difference! Only downside is they do feel a little bit more cramped in the cockpit. Of course I'm 6'3 300lbs so most cars are pretty cramped to me. I'd take the WJ turn it into a trail destroying beast the granny would be proud of and do with it what she would have if she was young again! And scrap the honda , buy american! Problem then is you get stuck with a engine that cracks heads(if 4.0 I6) for no reason and can never hold engine oil from the valve cover,oil pan,and rear main seal.Then you get the wonderfull death wobble even if 100% stock,and late model WJ's are very prone to it,more so if you even do a 1" BB lift. Keep what ever is paid off or has the smaller payment. To OP........... Unless your having to replace every single piece of the AC system there is no way it will cost anything close to $3000,even at a dealership.If it needs a compressor and all required parts with that replacement it should not run more then $1000-$1200 at any good shop.I mean AC work is pricey but it's not a CRV which requires the engine to be removed to replace the compressor or some exotic brand that any part is big $$$ to start with. The WJ is a 4.7 (dunno if its HO). As for the honda the way the compressor goes you have to replace the entire system as if you only do the compressor it will eat compressors as it leaves alot of pieces when it blows. The reason we are considering honda route is sometimes honda pays the entire bill or some of it and they will warranty the work. But honestly it will be me ripping the dash apart and removing all the accesories to replace the entire system. Im thinking ultimately its going to run 1500ish when all said and done. The honda is paid off. The KJ is very close to being paid off and the WJ is paid off and Im getting it for cheap. ramlebliberty wrote: Agreed, get a second or 3rd opinion, some shops/dealers will rob you if your not careful. The only reason we are considering honda is sometimes they pay fully or part of the work and warranty it. Honestly like I said above Ill be donating blood sweat and tears to fix the system on her honda. Honestly I prefer it that way as I hate having others work on my vehicles.

Author:	liquidxit2 [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:22 pm ]
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POLL adjusted. Although with that poll choice 3 is the only option.

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Author:	JeepinJarhead03 [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:16 am ]
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after what troy just said about the crv.. i gotta CRV ill trade ya for the WJ.. and the honda.. it's got about 33k on it ...

Author:	2006 KJ [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:47 am ]
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does this help your decision at all?

Author:	liquidxit2 [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:57 am ]
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ramlebliberty wrote: With no car payments you could save up for some pretty awesome parts! You would save on insurance too! I like the 4.7's i believe the HO's started in 02. Good engine with decent power, and there's a little more performance upgrades for it than the 3.7. I would try to keep both Jeeps unless the Honda is a commuter/travel car since even though jeeps are full of awesomeness they are not the greatest on the MPG. I have a trusted friend that I let work on my cars, and he only does the work if I cant. Plus the more you dive into the guts of a vehicle the more you learn, then the next time there's a problem it takes you half the time to fix it, and you can save big $$$ doing a repair yourself. Yeah the WJ is great. Even if its the regular 4.7l it hauls. Gets the same or better (less throttle needed) fuel mileage and has a ton more room for kids. With a kid on the way in january getting the WJ now and fixing it up before we need a bigger vehicle is the ideal choice in my mind. Instead of buying a new or nearly new Jeep in a couple years I can fix up the WJ for a fraction of the price. As for the honda, well the wife loves it and it does have alot more interior space then the KJ so it makes sense to use the WJ and crv for family tasks. The KJ will work for a little while though and will most likely become a hobby vehicle for me or at the very least a nostalgia. As for fixing the honda well in a previous life I was almost a ford master tech so I know my way around an ac system, but if we can get it done for free well then by all means honda pay for it. But thats not very likely with it being 2011 and having 75k miles. JeepinJarhead03 wrote: after what troy just said about the crv.. i gotta CRV ill trade ya for the WJ.. and the honda.. it's got about 33k on it ... LoL Yeah the compressor is sanwhiched in between the sub-frame assembly and all the accessories. So either I have to support the engine/trans and remove the subframe (what we did on all taurus's and windstars) or I have to remove power steering, alternator and all that goes with them. As for the trade Ill pass 2006 KJ wrote: does this help your decision at all? LoL No. But the fully solid axles and a v8 are very tempting.

Author:	liquidxit2 [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 11:02 am ]
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The only way I see the WJ being a better platform is due to kids and being able to tow, store and haul more stuff. As for off road with mild mods I love the narrow and short KJ, but then again I dont wheel much anyways.

Author:	liquidxit2 [ Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:02 pm ]
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Well looks like my wifes mom is going to help us out big time. Keeping the honda and the KJ and if all goes well the WJ. Also gotr a price for the ac parts and its looking like it will be less then $1k for the entire system. Now I just need to shrink my hands to work on the honda...