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 Post subject: FYI - NOT ABOUT LIBERTY - Chrysler to roll out diesel Cherok
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:56 am 
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The SUV aims to tap success of Jeep Liberty model, growing alternative fuel market.

Riding on the success of its Jeep Liberty diesel, the Chrysler Group plans to begin selling a diesel-powered Grand Cherokee SUV in the United States early next year.

Chrysler CEO and President Tom LaSorda will outline the plan today in a speech to business leaders at the Detroit Regional Chamber of Commerce Leadership Conference on Mackinac Island.

It's the latest push by automakers to offer alternative fuels in response to the rise in gasoline prices and concerns among new car and truck shoppers about fuel economy. Chrysler has become a major proponent of diesel engines and other fuels in the U.S. market.

"While diesel technology alone can help us become more energy independent, even bigger strides can be made by adding biofuels to the equation, such as biodiesel and ethanol," LaSorda said in a draft of his speech.

The new diesel engine uses advanced diesel technology developed by Chrysler's sister brand, luxury automaker Mercedes-Benz. The new 2007 Grand Cherokee's 3.0-liter common rail turbo diesel engine is based on Mercedes' Bluetech diesel engine technology.

"They're expected to show a diesel that is generally better than what people are used to," said Bruce Belzowski, an analyst with the University of Michigan's Office for the Study of Automotive Transportation. "(Chrysler) was pretty successful with the Liberty and the Europeans have been very strong on diesel."

The diesel Grand Cherokee, the biggest diesel SUV available in the U.S. market, will be assembled at Chrysler's Jefferson North Assembly plant in Detroit starting in the first quarter of 2007.

DaimlerChrysler's first application of the Bluetec diesel technology will be the six-cylinder Mercedes-Benz E30, which enters the market in the fall. The Jeep Liberty is equipped with a different diesel engine made by Italy's VM Motori.

But automakers face stringent federal government emission regulations for diesel engines even though they are more fuel-efficient than gasoline. And some municipalities have banned diesel engines because of harmful emissions.

The Grand Cherokee diesel will have an average fuel economy of 19 miles per gallon in city driving and 23 mpg on highways.

"You get better performance and 25 percent better fuel economy," said Mark Berube, senior manager of Jeep marketing. "From what we've seen in the marketplace out there, customers are ready for this technology."

The Grand Cherokee diesel will meet the Environmental Protection Agency's stricter 2007 emissions standards, but the SUV won't be sold in California, New York, Maine, Vermont or Connecticut, where environmental rules are even tighter.

"It sounds like they're not going to meet the regulatory standards in those states," Belzowski said.

Jack Nerad, editor of the online shopping guide Kelley Blue Book, said sales of the Grand Cherokee diesel will be limited because of the ban on sales in California and New York, which are major new car and truck markets.

The automaker could also face a roadblock with American consumers who still perceive diesel engines as smog-producing parts. Sooty, smelly and noisy are descriptions that come to mind for many U.S. consumers, Nerad said. "They think of the diesel that was out there in the early '80s," he said.

The Jeep Liberty diesel has exceeded its original sales target of 5,000 a year, with more than 11,000 units sold in 2005.

Allen Schaeffer, spokesman for Diesel Technology Forum, said increased diesel sales last year signal that consumers are interested in alternative fuels. In 2005, sales rose by 31 percent for diesel-powered cars and medium duty pickup trucks.

"In a six year period, sales have almost doubled," he said. "There's still a healthy market base out there of people interested in diesel and they're willing to pay premium for diesel vehicles."

In addition, Chrysler plans to sell more than 250,000 flex-fuel vehicles in 2007 and nearly 500,000 in 2008.

LaSorda is also expected to make a public request that Michigan push for more ethanol-85 fueling stations.

"That would go a long way toward making this fuel available for flex-fuel vehicles already on the road as well as those to come in the next few years," according to LaSorda's prepared remarks


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ok, so the biggest mistake in rolling out the Liberty CRD was not meeting EPA regulations and thus not being able to sell the vehicle in some states. (and unless I'm mistaken, the reason they are stopping the CRD).

And now they decide "lets do the SAME THING for the grand cherokee! Forget the EPA regulations, we'll just ignore those states!"

Wow, DC must seriously have their heads right up their @$$3$. Why don't they take a breather and reengineer the vehicle to actually MEET specs? Then maybe it won't have such a problem selling. I see the Jeep line going under soon if they can't get on the ball with efficiency soon...

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if this is true, then why in the #^&! would they stop the CRD? You don't stop a successful product unless you're maybe GM and you've threatened the oil industry with an electric car and have been paid billions to stop development.

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The story and link was also posted in the CRD section.

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Yeah well what they should do is stop with the darn restrictions...
I'd prob be rolling in a CRD if they didn't ONLY come in automatic...

That was the one thing my wife and I were unwilling to change... We both absolutely love driving standard... :)

Supposedly they might come out with a manual transmission version for the '07s but thats a little late since we bought our 06 Renny 3 weeks ago! heh heh

No worries though... I absolutely love our Renny...
Maybe look into the manual transmission CRD once we are a couple years into our lease... Have to wait and see what the rumoured '08 changes bring... Then again that 4 door wrangler looks hot too... let them work the bugs out of the 07 and pick up an 08.... oohhhhhh the possibilities! heh heh

EDIT : nevermind! heh heh... forgot about the discontinuation of the CRD... 4 door Wrangler in a couple years i guess... :)

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ok, so the biggest mistake in rolling out the Liberty CRD was not meeting EPA regulations and thus not being able to sell the vehicle in some states. (and unless I'm mistaken, the reason they are stopping the CRD).

And now they decide "lets do the SAME THING for the grand cherokee! Forget the EPA regulations, we'll just ignore those states!"

Wow, DC must seriously have their heads right up their @$$3$. Why don't they take a breather and reengineer the vehicle to actually MEET specs? Then maybe it won't have such a problem selling. I see the Jeep line going under soon if they can't get on the ball with efficiency soon...


The problem is with the enviro-wienies from those states that wont allow diesels. They meet the EPA regulations, just not those particular states regulations. Same thing with the VW diesels. You can't find those in those states either.

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 Post subject: AutoTech Release 06-02-2006...
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This I received at work today regarding the new Grand Cherokee CRD...some is a repeat but maybe some is new, just thought I'd show that it is starting to get some more publicity...

"CHRYSLER GOES BIG WITH NEW DIESEL
Riding on the success of the diesel-powered Jeep Liberty midsize SUV, Chrysler Group will offer a “Bluetec” 3.0-liter oil burner in the Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD full-size SUV next year. The
model will be the largest diesel SUV sold in the U.S. The new six-liter powerplant, built by Mercedes in Berlin, produces 215 hp and 376 lb-ft of torque. The diesel’s torque is slightly higher than that of the Grand Cherokee’s optional 5.7-liter Hemi V-8. Towing capacity is listed at 7,400 lbs. Fuel economy is expected to be 19 mpg in the city and 23 mpg on the highway, extending driving range to 425 miles per fill-up. The current 3.7-liter gasoline V-6-powered Grand Cherokee is rated at 17 mpg city/21 mpg highway. Available in the Grand Cherokee Laredo, Limited and Overland models, the 3.0-liter common rail diesel features Mercedes’ clean-diesel technology. The Bluetec system combines a variety of advanced features such as a four-valve-per-cylinder configuration, piezoelectric fuel injectors, CDI direct injection and a variable nozzle turbocharger. It also includes an oxidizing catalytic converter and particulate filter. Chrysler says the combination cuts carbon dioxide emissions by up to 20%. The system bows this summer on the Mercedes E320 sedan in the U.S. equipped with the 3.0-liter diesel engine.
The Jeep Liberty diesel uses a 2.8-liter engine built by Italy’s VM Motori. More than
11,000 of these vehicles have been sold since production began in fall 2004—double the
automaker’s original target. Outside of North America, Chrysler is increasing the number
of diesel models it offers from four in 2003 to 12 in 2007."

They had a picture to of what one looks like, but I haven't been able to get it to copy right out of the .pdf file that it is in.

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 Post subject: PICTURE!!!...and more info
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:00 pm 
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Here is a link with a picture of a '07 Limited CRD Grand Cherokee, looks like Inferno Red paint color, pretty sweet looking.....(unless it's false advertising and that is actually a SRT, which I think it actually is)
This article also says that it will not include the BlueTech Diesel Technology of Mercedes-Benz unlike the last few articles I've read have...not sure what to believe now.....

http://wardsdealer.com/latest/cherokee_diesel_liberty/

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There is already a 3.0 V6 Grand Cherokee in Europe. I drove one and you wouldn't think you were in a diesel! It's quiet, smooth and quick (0-60mph in 9 secs).

Checkout www.jeep.co.uk

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