I mean REALLY in charge. In 2010 I had been asking about LJS 2011 for months and no one seemed to care. A mod moved the topic from one section of the forum to the other but nothing happened. For the first time in a long while there was no LJS... a shame really. LJS 2010 was a disaster with a mod volunteering to be in charge, couldn't get over himself when help was offered and then bailed and vanished completely from the scene. LJS 2009 was heralded as a big success despite some hurt feelings on the front range leaving Durangotang to shoulder most of the work. Even when Durangotang offered his help to put on LJS 2010, he was also ignored by "admins".

When it became obvious to me that no one was going to step up I took it upon myself to put on an event which we called "Pastafari". Durangotang and I did a lot of planning but when he had to go to Afghanistan, I ended up doing all the work. Despite my best efforts I still had to stay on the sideline due to butt-hurt whiner mods (and some admins) who can't get over themselves for the greater good of Pastafari. Even though it was 100% my event, I knew that if my name was involved we would never have an events section so the mods were Durangotang and Yellocoyote. For those in "middle management" what have you done to make LOST a better place? It's certainly not keeping posts straight... the CRD Forum is unreadable anymore.

So now that Pastafari is in the record books, I'm happy to say we had 100% attendance and no interweb drama. Why did the event have perfect attendance when LJS of the past did not? My guess is organization, presentation and lack of bad attitude.... something to learn there I am sure. People signed up early and stayed signed up... and most of them would do it again next year if it was presented in an intelligent and entertaining manor.

My goal for Pastafari 2012 is to have it be part of LJS 2012 as an overnight trail ride like Moose used to host when he was involved. Some people will sign up for day rides some will want to overnight. I've no confidence in many of the mods here (I don't think many of them even show up anymore) so I am appealing to whoever owns this place and still cares about LOST days gone by. Do we want to let the greeners be rocks in the road because they hate JL Rockies? Or do we want to put on an epic event for 2012? I eagerly await your response (no PM please, against my policy).

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With the level of success that you guys had, I would go ahead and start planning for 2012. After all, it's a free country!

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Thank you sir. I don't want to compete with LOST but I am concerned that personalities and hurt feelings are getting in the way of progress. I've been a member of LOST since 2007 and I've attended every LOST event there has been which is more than I can say for the few who dislike me so much. It became a personal mission of mine to save a tradition of Liberty events when no one else cared. If I'm wrong, if I've done something to be banned by bringing this issue to light then so be it. I would caution those however that a lot of people who cared stopped coming to LOST long ago and there are only a few left. LOST was once filled with true enthusiasts and now middle management has driven many of them away due to their self-serving attitudes.

I still say that LJS can be revived in 2012 if the people who can't get over themselves go be king on their little mountains and make room for those who can get the job done. It's not too late to get on course before LOST begins to auger in... just sayin'

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LOST has never promised annual events or “safari's” that I know of. I’m not a mod, so I don’t know the extent of their responsibilities and duties. Due to a struggling economy and lack of communication from LOST, I would encourage you to move forward with your planning. After all, Jayme is a mod therefore she can help represent the “LOST” side of things.

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Lost has become what JKJ used to be to me "The other site".
I was here mostly for fun but when that started to fizzle(and get banned), I decided to use this site mostly for it's wealth of knowledge and supersmart diesel-heads.
I can't afford to get canned from this place so now I takes my funny elsewhere.
DE is right, times are tough and having get togethers should be entirely up to us LOSTers, not mods and admin.

I think all JL needs is a large grass shake and a pb&j and he'll be fine.

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Thanks for adding but you've completely missed the point. You're fear if offending a mod and getting banned proves my other however.

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Let's really clear the air here...



All J's is in charge, Heather specifically. Known fact, you've been complaining that this site is nothing but a means to push their products for a long time now. Even though you never see her or Quinn on here pushing anything, I believe they actually only have a few posts about product releases in vendors section or forum related stuff in From the Staff. If you have an issue with the forum or it's admin/mods, I know your scared of PM's but it probably would be the responsible way to contact either one of them and discuss your concerns.



As dieselenthusiast stated above, LOST Safari's (east or west) have always been a grass roots organized event. In the beginning some of those planners were mods/admins, and others were eventually promoted to those positions. But the fact remains, it was a group of forum members who started talking and planning. Many of those original members who were instrumental in planning the 06, 07, & 08 Safari's hung up there hats because they were sick and tired of putting up with crap from the boards local 10%'ers. Those 10% (almost all of whom are banned now) simply made this forum unenjoyable for them any longer. It's difficult when you log in and your PM box has 13 PM's concerning ONE member, like mine was when I logged in this afternoon. Along with the links to reported posts by the that SAME member that I had to go through and review, it becomes a bit exasperating, and I honestly envy them some days.

I do assure that durangotang was a mod for the 09 and 10 Safari's. The reason for their lack of attendance may be more likely caused by what was going on in the country at those times than to any lack of leadership, or planning or whichever excuse you wish to make up. During these last couple of years money has been tight for a lot if not most of our members. I'm glad that you consider your Safari a success, the most important thing is that we are getting out there and wheeling. But looking though your "who's coming thread" It looks like this event had the worst turn out to date.

YOU'VE complained about the past events, and that no one was planing one for 2012. YOU volunteered to set it up. We allowed it, gave you YOU'RE own section for it to be in. Everyone one of us mods knew that you were involved in it and we still allowed it... So exactly how are us "middle Management" types holding you back?

As for the Diesel Section... I hear they sacrifice squirrels in there. Kinda scary so I stay out.



IIRC (and I do since I have all the threads tucked away in my "Middle Management" file cabinent) ... All the drama was on ONE individuals end last year, none of the other participants even knew what you were posting about when you were spewing your drama onto the board back then...



Best of luck with '12, overnight ride sounds fun. If you overcome your "policy" of not having any PM contact with any of the mods/admins, let me know and I'll open a new section for you so you can post up the details.



Funny I missed seeing you the entire week I was at LOST 08... huh, anyway. There are none of us mods that harbor any dislike for you, heck there are even a handful that come to your defense... " but he's such a nice guy in real life, He's just like this on the boards." This thread won't be the one to get you banned. Its the continued complaints about attitude and behavior towards the other members that will get you banned if anything will.



As we demonstrated this year by letting you run with the ball. No one on the team is trying to hoard 'the precious' all to themselves. Kings on their own little mountains??? I only see one little prince trying to look important... just sayin'



Thanks, all absolutely true. Mods' duties, are very, very, very important, not to mention super rewarding. We get to listen to a forum members complain about other members egotistical, better than though attitudes, with a touch of sarcasm thrown in, and just a dash of straight up rudeness. Then if we are super lucky we get to PM the offending member just to have him ignore the message, never opening, or even deleting it. Just letting the build up and build up. Ahhh, the joyousness of this job.

Wanna promotion?



Sorry that you feel that way. As for as getting canned. Wouldn't worry about it. Never seen you name pop up once. Every person we've banned is because they either threatened another member with physical harm, or repeated and repeated and repeated warnings for behavior. (Though if you never open the warning, I guess it doesn't count. Does it?)



I think you missing the point. Greatly. Mods on this board, have never had the power to ban. We just try to keep this site family orientated, which is the owners desire. By all means, if your looking for Pirate go to Pirate.

If you concerned about getting banned, you may want to rethink the personal vendetta theory that you've been spouting for a while now. Look back at all the posts you've made. Think about the ones that had to be deleted because they violated the boards policies. Think about all members you've been a tard to. All the "warning" PM's that you refuse to acknowledge. All the complaints that are filed about you each week and ask you self who the window licker really is.

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I'll add that it's not hard to have full attendance when you have a group of 10 or less. The 10 most dedicated to the event always show up. Congrats on leading an event that folks enjoyed. Shame on you for seeking out praise instead of waiting for it to be offered.

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Ok. I'm going to post at my own risk.

JLRockies, I don't know the whole backstory beyond what you've posted, but it sounds to me like there's more. Personally, I like some of the things you've posted elsewhere and other stuff is just "meh." I've been a member since the old WWW.kjjeep.com days and even then it didn't seem like the mods or admins were the ones solely behind trail rides/get togethers. It always seemed more organic. I even recall various local clubs trying to install some kind of better local organization.

Unfortunately, for a while, I was away from this site due to real life and missed a good chunk of four to five years. During that time maybe something changed. Many of the names I was used to seeing on my local (and sometimes national) boards have disappeared, but new ones have appeared. However, this site still feels like home. I peruse some of the other Jeep forums from time to time, but it isn't the same as our Liberty centric site. It also seems to me that it's still the grass roots movements that are behind events. I know your pain in trying to get an event together as I was involved in setting up the OBX runs in 2004/2005 or so. Was I a mod? No. Was it work getting it together? Yes. Was it a success? Yes. Would it have been an even bigger success and greatest thing ever if I was a mod or had it moved to some national thread? No. It was just a good time with other KJ owners and I was glad it worked out.

That being said, it looked like pastafari was a blast and I'm glad you guys had a good time. But, don't get bent out of shape over something as insignificant as having a thread moved to a national thread. While it would be cool to have more national or regional runs like in the past, sometimes real life happens and it's not feasible. If you want that to happen, then by all means, bang that drum and see what support is out there. I support your enthusiasm, but think that your vitriol towards the mods/admins may be somewhat misplaced.

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Look at the history of this forum. Look at the history of the LOST KJ events at Moab and who ran that. LOST KJ West, if I rememebr. That was a regional group that just happened to have a lot of the original mods/Admins in it because most of them were the first ones around on here. It was their regional group that organized everything, not them being the mods/admins. They had a strong group that was able to get things done. Their family/friends got involved too. Most of the old guard is gone. No strong groups taking the lead. Economy. The loss of the original KJ. Same location. Many factors leading to nobody jumping on the bandwagon to help with a national/international event. It definitely helps to have the people in close proximity to each other so they can meet often and hash out the plans and see where they are at throughout the planning stages.

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Just an Echo of what's been said
I was at Moab 07/08 - It was great
however 09/10 - didn't matter what was going on - I wasn't going to be there
sometimes the national economy gets personal.

The 07/08 events were sponsored and organized by California - Lost KJ West
but most of them have moved on - traded for a JK (or a Prius)
most of them are active - in California.

as to Mods - I read a lot of posts - I've even read a few before they got deleted - I think the Mods have had to put up with a lot of BS before anyone gets banned -



well.... sometimes you have to experiment...... but a lift pump is really more effective.........

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There's alot of truths in what tokyojoe said. I had totally forgot the early large events were mainly put on by LOST West, that they were really the first major group here, and many of them were the original mods/admins.

What I wanted to get across in my first post was that this place has always been a good website full of helpful and knowledgeable people that want to advance the discussion and capabilities of the Liberty. This was definitely not a Jeeps Unlimited type place with nothing but flaming and a "liberties are lame" mentality. I don't think that has changed even as people come and go. This goes fnr the rank and file members up to the mods/admins.

As I said earlier, it can be a little difficult getting a run or meet together sometimes, but it has always been done by regular members and local chapters. The invites though are always open to everyone no matter there location. If you feel strongly about organizing a national run, then take the lead on it and see if there's interest. At that point, I would think the mods would be more than happy to grant you the forum space to organize it and do it.

It seems that things run in cycles. When I first joined, there was alot of activity in the mid-atlantic and Carolina sections, and we even had officers in the mid-atlantic section. Then it kind of fizzled out. But later on, there seemed to be more activity. Now, it seems somewhat dead again. What I'm saying is, just because there might be a lull in interest or activity, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to do
something big. Maybe you can spark that interest once again. If so, I'm all for it.
But to just piss and moan about certain grievances or pet peeves isn't going to solve
it. Again, my



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OK waited long enough
I've been on here since September 2004, have seen a lot of whats happened and read what happened before.
As far as setting up runs before, Mods and Admins may of been involved as mentioned but they were doing it as members not in official duties. The guys and girls out west did a great job of getting things organized and done for sure. I watched as trips unfolded only wishing I could be there to share in the good times.
So anyone that wants to plan runs can do so, its a free country. When Tony was coming over from Spain, I never asked anyone if it was OK, Jayme and I PM'd back and forth and it went from there. Yes a whole lot less planning than a Moab trip, but all in the same we just did it!
Its a give and take world, if you want help you ask for help, if you want to run it all on your own, don't come later complaining that you had to do it all by your lonesome. As far as the Pasta Run everyone knew you were the lead guy so they knew who to contact, it did not matter who's name may of been mentioned as a Mod. Sounds like all who went had a good time, so it was a success! Take pride in that instead of complaining about it or nitpicking little things.
Yes things have changed over the years on here, seen lots of people come and go. The money is most peoples pockets have changed as well! I know for a fact I would do a lot more but going to visit my wife 9000 miles away every year takes a chunk of change which leaves little for fun here stateside. So until she's back here that will not change and I'm sure lots of folks are in the same boat. They would like to do more but just can't.
Now if we could do a run in the center of the country, get the government to give us a 750,000 grant so we could do a study of the effects of 4 wheeling, telling stories around the camp fire, and friendship we would be set. Heck we could even pay for say up to 400 dollars for the first 200 Jeeps signed up to help people get there. I would bet some Mods and Admins would even help plan it!
Life is way too short to let small things get to ya, enjoy what you have and have done with your life. If you died today, think of what people would say about you at the funeral home, would it be " he was always there to help no matter what" or "he was there to help but also was always complaining about something"
have a great day
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I'm darn sure I have no idea as to any of the background here or on another forum, but for some reason I read on.



I grew up with the internet and as I did, the mass of children that use it did not. Some of them are 9 years old.. others act it. In anything I do online... a few games, price checking and recon on my jeep ambitions.

Its hard to find an organization (that has stickers even! ) that takes the time (TIME) to maintain some order and filter out the everything goes attitude that seems to hover on the internet.



Wise words, well said.

My

Charles is in charge.


and Tony Danza is the boss.

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^This^

I was an admin here for a long time and it got real old real quick right around the 07 time frame, i stuck it out for a while but w/ all the things going on in my life this forum had to take a back seat to more important things as did many trips/events I would have loved to have been involved with. Until I graduate in February my trips will be limited but I and a few other LOST JEEPS So-Cal (formerly LOST KJ WEST) folks have talked about Moab 2012 in Spring or possibly October of 2012 so it might happen it is just too soon to know for sure right now when it will be (hope to figure that out in near future though and when we do, we will announce our groups plans). Anyone else that would like to make their own event is encouraged to do so. The more events the better.

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