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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:30 pm 
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My watercooler talks have come up with the same- that the go pedal is being sourced from different companies so the problem is up in the ECU. Bad, bad news for Toyota if that is the case......

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We were just told that GM is offering an additional $1000 on top of current incentives to help Toyota owners out of their leases.

I heard that Ford is doing it also.lol

I feel bad though. For the people that will be out of work, for the owners that are scared to drive their vehicles and for the people who have lost family members because of it. :(

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IT IS THE LAZY AMERICAIN WORKERS! Just ask the posters above. :-)r


You're the only one who's said 'LAZY AMERICAIN WORKERS' I never said that.

and in years of working with Americans, Japanese, Korean, Malaysian, and Taiwanese workers I've never seen it either.

What I have seen on a regular basis is one American worker is trying to run 2-3 or more tools, while the Asian factories have a dedicated worker
and sometime more than one for each tool - and the American worker may or may not have finished High School while the Asians
have High School + 2 or more years of technical school.

So who has the better chance of identifying and fixing a problem quickly?

It's not Lazy, but it's not equal footing either.

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Guilty conscience? For a point of order please note that I never named you.... :wink:

Still no explanation as to why the issue is showing up in Europe. Or why the part was designed,spec'ed, inspected, and approved by Toyota, yet they are laying it off on the supplier. :roll:

How do this help America? Exposing a giant fraud of a corporation like Toyota and the bushido they practice against America is well worth it if even one GM or Ford gets sold because of it. Educate yourself regarding Toyot'a convictions for manipulating markets, even in their own country, to gain an advantage here. Look past the paid reviews into issues like the 3L V6, 1.8 HO, Previa, Tacoma.... I do have a bit of concern for Americans. I have a concern for the tens of thousands of US autoworkers who lost jobs so that tens of thousands fewer can get lower paying jobs in order to ship profits to another country.

Remember boys & girls: this company assured us all that this was just "floor mats." :-)r

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and certain countries willingness to poison our kids with toys made from stuff more poisonous than mercury to simply make a dollar

yeah.. i put my money on the quality of the parts given to american workers to install rather than the craftsmanship of those workers

you can jump straight off that bus.

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Guilty conscience? For a point of order please note that I never named you.... :wink:

Still no explanation as to why the issue is showing up in Europe. Or why the part was designed,spec'ed, inspected, and approved by Toyota, yet they are laying it off on the supplier. :roll:

How do this help America? Exposing a giant fraud of a corporation like Toyota and the bushido they practice against America is well worth it if even one GM or Ford gets sold because of it. Educate yourself regarding Toyot'a convictions for manipulating markets, even in their own country, to gain an advantage here. Look past the paid reviews into issues like the 3L V6, 1.8 HO, Previa, Tacoma.... I do have a bit of concern for Americans. I have a concern for the tens of thousands of US autoworkers who lost jobs so that tens of thousands fewer can get lower paying jobs in order to ship profits to another country.

Remember boys & girls: this company assured us all that this was just "floor mats." :-)r



Who OWNS Chrysler and Jeep? Where do those profits go? Please show me the American owned businesses?
Rememebr that America created Toyota's concept. Capitalism, and they have been doing it best in this country for quite awhile now. If the rest of the world started treating Ford and GM the same as all the "buy American only" people do, how quick would Ford and GM fold? Ford is second only to VW in sales for the rest of the world. Kill that because of "buy only your country's products" would cause Ford and GM to fold faster than a Japanese kid making an origami Swan.

For the most part, if those "buy American" people bought a new Jeep since Daimler took control, now Fiat, you sent the money to a foreigner and not the Americans. That is being a hypocrit. You can't have it both ways. Toyota plants here in the USA have American workers. Americans work in a Jeep factory that is owned by a German company. Profits go to the big wigs, which are foreigners for both. Get rid of your Daimler/Fiat Jeep and go get a Ford or GM car or the old Jeeps (pre `98). I hope all parts are manufactured, assembled, and installed here in America or those "Buy American only" is still a hypocrit.

And, how often do American companies tell the people one lie to cover another? People act like only Toyota is guilty of this in all of history. Let's wait for the final verdict before judgement day. How often have our Congressmen, Senators, Presidents, other politicians, and religious leaders have lied to us? Yet we continue along with them?

This country is about Capitalism and if an American company can't handle it and make a better product than another company, then too bad for them. I'm not here to support the American worker that works for a crappy company. They can leave and go work for the better competition...or join the military. If Toyota really screwed up, then so be it. They are knocked down a bunch of pegs and must battle back up to earn the top respect. Does that make an American car better? No, it does not. If it sucked in the first place, it still sucks even if Toyota and Honda sucks.

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isn't ford half ford half nissan/toyota something or other anyway in most cases?

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isn't ford half ford half nissan/toyota something or other anyway in most cases?

I think it's half Mazda, since ford owns them too.

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#1: If you ask me what I "am," I will reply "American" 100% of the time. Not true of every U.S. born & raised poster in this thread. I hope folks keep this in mind when they consider bias, as every poster here has a bias. That bias greatly effects the person's posts in many cases and is therefore relevant.

#2: I have posted dozens of times that the KJ is a German product. You are apparently years late in this realization.

#3: Bushido through Capitalism, yes. But Japan does not play the capitalism deal fairly. They do not allow us the same access to their markets as we allow them to ours. We could completely wipe out the rice markets in Japan, for example, if we insisted on equal access. Ignorance and apathy...

Speaking of bias: does anyone else wonder why such a well-informed poster would leave stuff like japan's deck-stacking out of their rant?

But on top of all of that: Toyota's own American employees have been picketing that company's U.S. headquarters. They are calling toyota "anti-American" and giving out information about how toyota is harming America. I know this may have been missed on newsonjapan.com, but anyone who cares to look for these protest will have no trouble finding them.

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#1: If you ask me what I "am," I will reply "American" 100% of the time. Not true of every U.S. born & raised poster in this thread. I hope folks keep this in mind when they consider bias, as every poster here has a bias. That bias greatly effects the person's posts in many cases and is therefore relevant.

#2: I have posted dozens of times that the KJ is a German product. You are apparently years late in this realization.

#3: Bushido through Capitalism, yes. But Japan does not play the capitalism deal fairly. They do not allow us the same access to their markets as we allow them to ours. We could completely wipe out the rice markets in Japan, for example, if we insisted on equal access. Ignorance and apathy...

Speaking of bias: does anyone else wonder why such a well-informed poster would leave stuff like japan's deck-stacking out of their rant?

But on top of all of that: Toyota's own American employees have been picketing that company's U.S. headquarters. They are calling toyota "anti-American" and giving out information about how toyota is harming America. I know this may have been missed on newsonjapan.com, but anyone who cares to look for these protest will have no trouble finding them.



1. Yes, you are one of the biased posters on here.

2. And you seem to forget that fact when you post about "Buy American." Why do you have a German-owned vehicle? Is there a difference between Japan and Germany ownership? No. Both are foreign and not American. If you drink beer, are you going to stop drinking Miller (SABMiller), Anheuser-Bush (InBev), and Coors products (SABMiller)? They are foreign owned beers. I know Ohio and how much of those products are consumed. My friends in Ohio refuse to drink local 100% American-made microbrews and will continue drinking Bud and Miller beers. You mention the larger American worker factories over the fewer (American car factories over the Japanese factories here in the USA). So, we should ignore all mom-and pop businesses and only go with the larger work force businesses? Monopoly? Wal-Mart over JC Penney and mom and pop clothing stores for clothes? Wal-Mart over Meijer, Big Bear, Krogers, and the quickie mart/mom and pop grocery stores for groceries? Walmart employs more Americans than those other businesses (probably combined). Does that make all that don't shop Walmart as un-American?

3. Who's fault is that? You are blaming the Japanese. You have chosen the wrong people to blame. Go talk to Senators Brown and Voinovich. Go talk to Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Go blame the American companies themselves. They're the ones sending factories over to foreign lands for cheaper labor....so Americans can afford products at a reasonable price. You need to blame your 100% American government, not a foreign land.
Considering that the US exports half of its own Rice production, I doubt if banning Japanese Rice will significantly hurt the Japanes market. The USA would have to stop exporting its Rice to make up for the loss and then Japan would be able to sell to those countries that the US can no longer sell to.

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part of it is outsourcing, part of it is simply market stupidity

for instance, we take iron ore.. and send it to china for a dollar a pound (just an example)

where china does it's thing, turns it into iron bars

then sells it to us .. for five dollars a pound (an example. but the ratio is relatively correct)

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#1: If you ask me what I "am," I will reply "American" 100% of the time. Not true of every U.S. born & raised poster in this thread. I hope folks keep this in mind when they consider bias, as every poster here has a bias. That bias greatly effects the person's posts in many cases and is therefore relevant.

#2: I have posted dozens of times that the KJ is a German product. You are apparently years late in this realization.

#3: Bushido through Capitalism, yes. But Japan does not play the capitalism deal fairly. They do not allow us the same access to their markets as we allow them to ours. We could completely wipe out the rice markets in Japan, for example, if we insisted on equal access. Ignorance and apathy...

Speaking of bias: does anyone else wonder why such a well-informed poster would leave stuff like japan's deck-stacking out of their rant?

But on top of all of that: Toyota's own American employees have been picketing that company's U.S. headquarters. They are calling toyota "anti-American" and giving out information about how toyota is harming America. I know this may have been missed on newsonjapan.com, but anyone who cares to look for these protest will have no trouble finding them.



1. Yes, you are one of the biased posters on here.

2. And you seem to forget that fact when you post about "Buy American." Why do you have a German-owned vehicle? Is there a difference between Japan and Germany ownership? No. Both are foreign and not American. If you drink beer, are you going to stop drinking Miller (SABMiller), Anheuser-Bush (InBev), and Coors products (SABMiller)? They are foreign owned beers. I know Ohio and how much of those products are consumed. My friends in Ohio refuse to drink local 100% American-made microbrews and will continue drinking Bud and Miller beers. You mention the larger American worker factories over the fewer (American car factories over the Japanese factories here in the USA). So, we should ignore all mom-and pop businesses and only go with the larger work force businesses? Monopoly? Wal-Mart over JC Penney and mom and pop clothing stores for clothes? Wal-Mart over Meijer, Big Bear, Krogers, and the quickie mart/mom and pop grocery stores for groceries? Walmart employs more Americans than those other businesses (probably combined). Does that make all that don't shop Walmart as un-American?

3. Who's fault is that? You are blaming the Japanese. You have chosen the wrong people to blame. Go talk to Senators Brown and Voinovich. Go talk to Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Go blame the American companies themselves. They're the ones sending factories over to foreign lands for cheaper labor....so Americans can afford products at a reasonable price. You need to blame your 100% American government, not a foreign land.
Considering that the US exports half of its own Rice production, I doubt if banning Japanese Rice will significantly hurt the Japanes market. The USA would have to stop exporting its Rice to make up for the loss and then Japan would be able to sell to those countries that the US can no longer sell to.


Why do you have a German-owned vehicle: I don't. I own a vehicle that was made by a german-owned company. My vehicle is American-owned as I self-identify as American. Your KJ was made by a German-owned company but is Japanaese-owned, as you identify yourself as Japanese, not American. Do you need to see it in writing? I am pretty sure that I saved it. :wink:

You need to blame your 100% American government, not a foreign land. Pretty telling: It is not OUR American government, but MY American government. You are setting yourselve outside of it voluntarily and often.

Ummm.. See, Japan is the market that is all but closed compared to ours. They strictly control our exports to THEM. It has nothing to do with our importation of japanese rice. This is true for countless items. We play fair: japan does not. I really doubt that you are unaware of this: you are not an idiot. Your misdirection attempts do not become you.

Plainly put: Just like Toyota's employee's claim on their picket signs: they are harmful to America.

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InCommando, I am of Japanese decent from one parent's side but make no mistake, I am as, if not more, American than you. I am also open-minded to the world, not closed-minded.

If you want to make play on words? Be my guest. You want to only buy American-made products? Good luck. I am sure more than half the items in your possession are foreign made or owned. The fact is still that you are wrong about the import and export. The US government, more my government than yours (you seem to be afraid to lay the blame on them and instead throw it at Japan AND I served this country to retirement and currently work for the Fed Government), has a choice to say no to anything coming into this country. If a country is not playing "fair" as you say, the US government can stop exporting to them until they give in. As simple as that. Japan has a need for a lot of imported resources. If you can't stand up to my US Government, then you have no right to complain.

I sense a reason more than just your not liking the "fair" play of Japan. You seem okay with German products.

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heritage has absolutely nothing to do with American-ness

you either are, or you aren't, simple as that

and I think it's safe to say that you both ARE

and if i was Mussolini or something I'd have to kill whichever one of you I disagreed with the most so lets just be thankful that we're afforded the ability to have and discuss differing opinions and keep all blows above the belt

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Nice try, Joe. When asked point-blank about it, you ignored your British father and American birth and told me you were Japanese. In fact, I had to pry the British father & raised in America out of you as you only mentioned the Japanese part. You obvioulsy self-identify as Japanese. You totally ignored all American & British heritage. I guess that was why you reffered to it as MY American government.

Again, you know exactly what I am talking about. Tell these folks what you want now, but it happened.

Benito made the trains run on time.... :grim:

All in all, a light being shined on japanese trade practices is a great thing. The grease fortunes they have been paying for decades may not be enough now.

BTW: Ford is an American Company. If you want to question that, PROVE it and don't just be a politician by throwing out claims that have no merit knowing that they will be passed by, granting them legitimacy of some sort. GM is an American Co. The largest non-U.S. stake holder is the Canadien UAW, and the special relationship betweeen the US auto industry & Canada is decades old.

Ford all but owned Mazda and recently sold part of its stake to raise capital. They are still closely aligned, but Ford pulls the strings. Both brands sell vehicles manufactured by the other (EG: Ranger/B-series, Escape/Tribute, and the newest 3/New Focus, although many more existed over the years)

GM was a major stockholder in Fuji Heavy Industries and through it Isuzu, Suzuki, & Subaru along with some other commercial brands. They had a joint venture with Toyota, NUMMI. They also have some design sharing with Honda on engine developement. But GM is most definitely a US company. Dispute it with verifiable facts, if you can.

Chrysler = American. DaimlerChrysler = German. Cerebus' Chrysler = American. This FIAT thing, when ironed out, will probably make whatever it is now Italian. But at about a 35% stake, FIAT ( owned by the Italian government) will not be the single controlling factor and with the vast majority of the outstanding 65% being American, it is no sure thing where whatever Chrysler becomes will be chartered. The main FIAT agreement is a technology sharing deal.

As even you must know, Germany & Japan are seperate countries. :ROTFL: Obviously they were both closely aligned at some point, :grim: but as in a removed post showed, Germany was reformed. Japan...not so much. But regardless, your point is about as valid as saying that I am willing to by a product made in Swaziland but not Japan, by choice. Do you really not know that trade between the US & Germany is much different than between the US & japan? No, once again you are well aware of this. Not one person buys that you can't comprehend this major difference. Your words were chosen not for their validity, but to muddy the waters. Fail.


EDIT: While doing this :pepper: over the JAL collapse, I realized that Toyota is being very crafty & may be getting away with it. To wit:

Many Lexus models are merely gussied up 'yotas. Think ES & Camry, for example. I'll bet that toyota is hoping this taint doesn't touch Lexus publically while they quietly make the same alleged fix. Thoughts?

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I heard the dealers will fix the sticking gas peddles with shims under the return spring :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r

After the Techs are trained :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r

Is a five year old kid going to do the training :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r

Was this fix inspired by a Daystar Lift Kit? If so Daystar should file a law suit :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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lol the number of smilies per post need to be limited :P

i got a bit dizzy from that

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I heard the dealers will fix the sticking gas peddles with shims under the return spring :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r

After the Techs are trained :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r

Is a five year old kid going to do the training :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r :-)r

Was this fix inspired by a Daystar Lift Kit? If so Daystar should file a law suit :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


Sounds like a lame fix but can they afford to pull a Rock Krawler? Not at all.



InCommando.........you seem to be awfully interested in the fact that I embrace my Japanese heritage. I guess you don't have any to embrace. I grew up in a 98% caucasian city (still sits at 97% caucasian) and dealt with the racism and bigotry growing up looking white yet somewhat different. My LOST nickname on here is from classmates giving it to me in Track. Not because I made it up and chose it. So excuse me if I have grown up with a white life in a white town, ignoring and not learning of my other ancestry and heritage but now embracing that other heritage. English heritage is everywhere. It is all around.

Not sure why you bring up Ford and GM. I know they are fully American owned companies so I never mentioned them as being foreign. Not sure why you bring them up since I even said in my past email to go buy one of those vehicles. You just agreed with me there.

As for my stand, if Toyota is guilty of lying about the problem, then hammer then. I'm just defending against your negative attitude towards Japan for whatever reason you have against them whether it is just general hate, bigotry, culturally uneducated, just raised that way, or something else.

I'd be happy to sit down with a Fat Tire or a revitalized Iron City Beer with you and discuss our differing opinions the next time I drive back to Ohio.

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kinda reminds me of that recall about 15ish years ago where something was screwed up to the point where when you mashed the brake it would rev wildly and send you careening through your garage door or something lol

can't remember what car manufacturer that was


The Audi 5000. The car that had very little acceleration (if any) had a problem thanks to 60 Minuits dieing quest for RATINGS created the AUDI 5000 UN-CONTROLLED ACCELERATION DELEMA:twisted: :twisted:

The real cause was short people pressing the wrong peddle.

Government solution that even our KJs have, the gotta put yo foot on the brake peddle to shift into drive, big woop :pepper: :pepper: :pepper:

Sound familiar? "I am from the government and I am here to help you" :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Toyota sales down 16%. :BANANA: :BANANA: :BANANA:

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