Not fair, pit bulls get a bad rap

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:27 pm

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/li_y ... ZArVFttI0J :ROTFL:

04jeepkj · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:41 pm

And of those bitten how many deserved it? Probably a majority.

Nightfisher · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:35 pm **Posts:** 122

No comparison. How many tiny dogs have actually killed someone? The rap pit bulls have is very much deserved. They do what they were bred to do. Fight and kill.

jay21 · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:07 pm

Nightfisher wrote:

No comparison. How many tiny dogs have actually killed someone? The rap pit bulls have is very much deserved. They do what they were bred to do. Fight and kill.

They were bred as ranch hands, actual name is American Bull Dog, or American Bull Terrier. Pits are some of the smartest and most loyal breeds out there. I will always have atleast one, to bad so many are misinformed. Hate he deed not the breed.

tonycrd · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:27 pm

I have 2 now and had Pitbulls for the last 22 years. It doesn't matter what you say, public believe (the media...) is that they are killers and they are not pets. A shame there are so many misinformed people out there.

It's mostly the owners fault. A pitbull will never attack a child or a grown up if not INSTRUCTED to do so by it's owner.

And it doesn't do that because it wants to, but only to please his master...sad...

If you do not believe me, I have an example:

(I am totaly against any kind of animal cruelty, which includes dogfights! but it's for the sake of the example...)

2 pits going at eachother in a 'match'. Blood everywhere, the dogs are furious. There are always at least 2 humans in the pit. They need to take the dogs apart every minute or so, to let them 'scratch'. No 'dogman' has ever been bitten by a seriously injured or even dying pitbull. Why: it will never accur to the dog to attack a human. That's how they were bred.

Read up on them. Maybe you'll change your opinion.

:2cents:

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:39 pm

Google Pit bulls kill and get Million + hits

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20020791-504083.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/22/national/main6703350.shtml

The fact is that if a Shih Tzus and Pit Bull both have bad tempers -
the person who upset a Shih Tzu will need a bandaid.
and the person who upset the Pit Bull may need a coffin

and the odds are the person who upset the Pit Bull was a child.

BugginKJ · **Joined:** Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:35 pm **Posts:** 4576

ATXKJ wrote:

Google Pit bulls kill and get Million + hits

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20020791-504083.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/22/national/main6703350.shtml

The fact is that if a Shih Tzus and Pit Bull both have bad tempers -
the person who upset a Shih Tzu will need a bandaid.
and the person who upset the Pit Bull may need a coffin

and the odds are the person who upset the Pit Bull was a child.

The odds also on any Pit that attacked a human, the owner was drinking a 40 ozer and smokin a blunt while rap was banging in the background. Get rid of those type of owners and there would be no more Pit problems.
Now those little yappy dogs, I hear they taste like chicken............

tonycrd · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:56 pm

Europe has had its share of hysteria that 'Pitbulls are murderers' and in The Netherlands and Germany they were taken from their owners, encaged in a government facility and killed. ( dog holocaust

)

This was done over a period of 4 years. Pitbulls disapeared.

Dog attack numbers stayed the same......fatal injuries? Try surviving an attack from a 120 pound German Shepard...

Governments of both countries scrapped the pitbull law.

Please don't go that same route. Punish the owners, not the breed.

Here in Spain they have it under control. You want a potentially dangerous dog?

You have a rap sheet? Forget it.
Flunk your psych test? Forget it.
Flunk your fysical test? Forget it.
Cannot pay for insurance for possible damages? Forget it.
Don't make enough for food and medical care? Forget it.

If you can comply with all of the above, you get a license. Like a drivers license. Which expires every 5 years. Then you take the tests again. Been arrested during that 5 year period for violance or other crimes involving violance?
No license. Dogs go to a shelter....

Only if you have that license can you buy a pup or adopt a dog from a rescue centre. The rescue centre people come by to visit every now and then to see how the dog is doing and how he's living etc.

That's what we should have for ALL dog owners.

Nightfisher · **Joined:** Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:35 pm **Posts:** 122

jay21 wrote:

Nightfisher wrote:

No comparison. How many tiny dogs have actually killed someone? The rap pit bulls have is very much deserved. They do what they were bred to do. Fight and kill.

They were bred as ranch hands, actual name is American Bull Dog, or American Bull Terrier. Pits are some of the smartest and most loyal breeds out there. I will always have atleast one, to bad so many are misinformed. Hate he deed not the breed.

I beg to differ. Look further back in the breeds history. They were used as farm dogs, but that is not what they were originally bred for... http://www.pitbull411.com/history.html A lot of people make the comparison that a pit is like having a loaded gun lying around. I don't agree with that statement. A loaded gun can't fire itself. I would really like to see some laws like they have in Spain here too. Too many irresponsible people too stupid to train and properly socialize a pit to own one. I agree with you that they can be loving pets if properly handled. Problem is, they are not for the most part. Knowing this, if I am ever confronted by one running loose that even looks at me in an aggressive manner it will become the victim of acute lead poisoning. Far too many "gangstas" around here walking them on a heavy chain hooked to a spiked collar while the dog pulls at the chain trying to get to every person or animal they come across for me to take any chances that it might be one of the good dogs.

FDez · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:30 pm

Labs are fine.

I totally agree that most people don't know/take the time to properly train AND socialize their dogs period. Let alone ones that can easily do major damage. My dog, Alfie, has many pitbull friends he sees on a daily basis at the local park. Luckily, they are owned by resposible owners who have trained and socialized their dogs properly so there has never been a problem. They are very friendly and playful towards dogs and humans.

Bottom line is, they are dangerous but it is usually the owners fault.

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:17 pm

tonycrd wrote:

Here in Spain they have it under control. You want a potentially dangerous dog?

You have a rap sheet? Forget it.
Flunk your psych test? Forget it.
Flunk your fysical test? Forget it.
Cannot pay for insurance for possible damages? Forget it.
Don't make enough for food and medical care? Forget it.

If you can comply with all of the above, you get a license. Like a drivers license. Which expires every 5 years. Then you take the tests again. Been arrested during that 5 year period for violance or other crimes involving violance?
No license. Dogs go to a shelter....

Only if you have that license can you buy a pup or adopt a dog from a rescue centre. The rescue centre people come by to visit every now and then to see how the dog is doing and how he's living etc.

That's what we should have for ALL dog owners.

Now that's a good idea - too many abused dogs even if they never hurt anyone.

Too many young guys typically - get a Pit Bull because of the Reputation - just to prove how tough 'they' are - and then don't don't take care of the dog - it's just one more toy....

tonycrd · **Posted:** Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:05 pm

ATXKJ wrote:

Now that's a good idea - too many abused dogs even if they never hurt anyone.

Too many young guys typically - get a Pit Bull because of the Reputation - just to prove how tough 'they' are - and then don't take care of the dog - it's just one more toy....

X200....irresponsible owners are the biggest problem. Not the dog, whatever breed they may be.

Quote:

Hey, what did I do wrong to make people hate me that much?

Cherrie 274 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:56 am

Baby Killed By Dog in Kalamazoo
Posted: 2/21/2011
Kalamazoo Police say a pet pit bull has killed a family's 10-day-old baby.

The attack happened Saturday afternoon and the boy was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police say the baby's mother and 2-year-old sibling were at home during the attack.

The dog has been quarantined as police investigate the death.

9&10 News at Noon will have more on this story.

(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

FDez · **Posted:** Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:38 pm

Very vague story. Tragic yes, but who's to say the owners trained the dog well. Everyone I know who has a newborn has been told by the doctor to bring home something with the baby's scent on it a few days before bringing the baby home so the dog can get used to it and not feel threatened by a new creature (in this case a baby) coming into the "pack." Just because the new addition is human doesn't mean the dog would know the difference.

No matter how many stories you can find about pitbull attacks, the variable is how the dog was treated/trained. You can find the same stories involving Labs, German Sheppards, etc. You hear it more with pitbulls because as was earlier pointed out, the people who want pitbulls are most often too stupid and/or lazy to train and socialize the breed. Some breed need more training then others.

tonycrd · **Posted:** Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:46 pm

That's sad news. Still:

"The woman criticized the police for interrogating her while she was still in shock over the death of her 21-day-old baby, who was mauled by a Husky in Saint-Barnabe-Sud in Quebec's Monteregie region, and said the Crown filed manslaughter charges too quickly."
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2 ... 37206.html

"Mary Barton, 53, is alleged to have been in an alcohol-induced stupor when the Alsatian jumped into the cot and mauled eight-week-old Andre Bigg."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1Ec1DXtjR

“The infant boy was in his car seat on a bed in the bedroom when he was bitten by the family Siberian husky dog.>>> There was no one else in the room at the time. The baby’s parents and family were present in the house, but the baby was left alone with the dog. There’s no information on whether the dog had a vicious disposition, or had attacked or displayed aggressive behavior towards others before."

Like Fdez said, it has nothing to do with aggressive behavior or vicious disposition.

BugginKJ · **Joined:** Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:35 pm **Posts:** 4576

FDez wrote:

Very vague story. Tragic yes, but who's to say the owners trained the dog well. Everyone I know who has a newborn has been told by the doctor to bring home something with the baby's scent on it a few days before bringing the baby home so the dog can get used to it and not feel threatened by a new creature (in this case a baby) coming into the "pack." Just because the new addition is human doesn't mean the dog would know the difference.

No matter how many stories you can find about pitbull attacks, the variable is how the dog was treated/trained. You can find the same stories involving Labs, German Sheppards, etc. You hear it more with pitbulls because as was earlier pointed out, the people who want pitbulls are most often too stupid and/or lazy to train and socialize the breed. Some breed need more training then others.

All very true.

Cherrie 274 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:00 pm

Not saying it was the breed just saw the thread then the news, so I posted.
My family has raised Black Labs and Boston Terriers. I now have a Springer/Australian shepard mix and a pure Springer.When someone asks if they bite I anwser they never have yet but they might.This is when my dogs and I are inside the fence and the visiter is outside.The visiter wanting to reach over the fence.I dont know if they feel the need to protect me or our space in this case.
Now our Bostons,and Labs when I was a kid, and our Dad wanted to use his belt on us the dogs would protect us. My last Boston didn't like anyone near me.My first Springer was the same way, on a leash,in the house ect,you could not reach toward me, with out her biting at you.

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:25 pm

People get away with a lot of irresponsibility with the smaller dog breeds

I grew up next to one of the biggest Pit breeders in the US. and was no more than 10 years old and playing fetch with GC Chinaman ROM and GC Frisco ROM
Pits are no more innately aggressive than any other dog or animal towards humans. I've seen more biting beagles than anything else, seen children blinded by them, but the media has difficulty demonizing a beagle breed due to their appearance

It's taken me 6 months to get the two dogs in my house which are "Toy" sized dogs to behave somewhat appropriately due to their lack of training for the last two years. If they were a large dog they probably would have already killed someone

I don't care what size the dog is, if you aren't going to take the time and effort to train it properly to behave, then you have no business owning it - some breeds are harder to train than others

yorks are one of the more difficult, labs are one of the easiest and pits along with am. bulls and eng bulls are somewhere in between but due to their size and muscle mass untrained and unrespected they're dangerous

I'm with tony on this one, while it would piss me off to have to go file for a license and take a test etc, it makes sense. Preferably with a prerequisite of having shown the ability to care for a lesser capacity dog.

METCRD · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:23 am

English bull terriers were bred for the purpose of fighting and certain characteristics were bred into them to make them better fighters. Their eyes are on the back 3rd of their head, they have the most muscle mass/body weight ratio of any dog, and they have an extremely high energy level. After all this careful breeding to make a fighting dog the dog ended up being a poor fighter. It then became more a status symbol for rich people to have.

They are excellent dogs even with the background and the purpose of their breeding. The pit bull debate will go on much like any gun debate although are not the exact same situation. I have met some very nice pit bulls and I have also met some really nasty Pomeranians.

Back to the bull terriers we own a miniature bull terrier and she is a great dog. Very active and extremely high energy and friendly. She is not aggressive to other dogs and is very friendly to known as well as unknown people.

Due to poor ownership of many dogs, unfortunately many of the same breed, the media has been able to feed into the thinking that pit bulls are bad dogs and they are not. Tony already posted the articles of other breeds that have bitten and yet people seem to skip right over those. Most dogs with proper training and socialization will be a great dog that can be around people and other dogs without an issue.

KJ 119 · **Posted:** Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:03 am

My wife had the sweetest pit I've ever met. It was a retired fighting dog.
:juggle:

Not fair, pit bulls get a bad rap

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