mixing lifts

ga_repoman · **Posted:** Thu May 15, 2008 1:04 am

now what if you wanted to get a S#1T load of lift
:lol:

so you put a 2.5ott lift (like the rocky road or rusty's)on then the 2.0 daystar (or other spacer type)lift then the clevis lift so your looking at like 5" of lift
without the tires .....those should add another inche at least that would have to give you 6 or 7 inches total when done

what would be the problem with this setup
could it, would it, work or last ....... :?:

just thinking of a hypothetical situation this would run you 4 or 5 hundred for 5 or 6 inches of lift

what does everyone think :!:

SoDakJeep · **Posted:** Thu May 15, 2008 1:56 am

check out swampthing or how ever its spelled rig he did both spacer and coil lift

ga_repoman · **Posted:** Thu May 15, 2008 3:10 am

ok so maybe 2+2 is too much

so what about 1.5 ott and 1.5 spacer that is 3
you still might need the al arms but it still should work right

Ok take the spacer out and put in a spring and a ott equaling 3 "

The raved about franky lift is a combo ott spacer lift

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Thu May 15, 2008 11:41 am

ok first stay as far away from an OTT as possible!! and second to make that work you would need to go buy parts from JBA like the knuckle extension, a-arms, link extension, rear lower control arms, Long rear lower control arm mounts but its doable but you might as well as just buy the 6" lift

tommudd · **Posted:** Thu May 15, 2008 11:43 am

The raved about Frankenlift is not an OTT lift you need to read again, also know that swampthing has lowered his and sold the parts since it worked for a while but then broke parts. You seem to be forgetting the main thing, CVs will be the limiting factor for one in the lift up to and above 4 inches. Plus why in the heck do you want to go that high when one you can not get a gear ratio to run larger tires and plus the front diff will not run larger tires very well. Keep dreaming but unless you want to buy Als 6 inch and run 32 inch tires you are pretty much stuck.

Mixing springs and a OTT is just asking for problems long term

jsc7002 · **Posted:** Thu May 15, 2008 11:45 am

ya I forgot to mention the cv's I dont see a point in going past 4" of our KJs anyways b/c if you go past a 32" tire your just asking for trouble from your front diff

ga_repoman · **Posted:** Fri May 16, 2008 12:40 am

ok it was just a brainstorm

and just cause you go higher does not mean that you HAVE to have large tires
You could run 6 inches of lift and only run 30 or 31's I like to have the room to flex and twist without hitting

and everybody says to stay away from a ott lift ?? :?:

Why is that really the daystar 2.5 spacer lift comes with an upper strut plate

i relooked at the Frankenlift and i see a top strut plate on the preassembled strut also...(i thnk)
But truely what is the problem with the ott lift besides the a arm contacting the strut which a larger
bumpstop should solve ...If its a ubj angle then wouldnt the al arms solve that (which from what i hear is not a bad think to have
for any lift ...right ...i mean it could not hurt)
So what is one to do ........I would love to lift the jeep but dont want the darn thing exploding when i drive cross country and i know the spring lift the
bigggest best and greatest but there has to be a middle ground .......There are folks on the fourm that stated that they have an ott for years w/o problems
and i am sure there are folks that have bought the best lift on the market and had problems as well....
So
With all that said and dont I have a good deal on a 2.5 rocky road budget lift
or
twice as much for a 2.5 daystar spacer lift

Guess what yall is trying to say is spend the money and go with the spacer lift :?:

or am i missing the safest wa to get 2-3 inches of lift from this thing safely
Please inform and educate the unknowing.....

thank you all for the advise and help
in the past as well as now :lol:

tommudd · **Posted:** Fri May 16, 2008 12:52 am

OK I am confused now....first the Frankenlift does not use a OTT on top it uses a strut plate made by Daystar, an OTT is two flat plates with 2 inch round tube welded between them and mounts on top of the strut, it is the angle of the strut after the installation that causes problems, case in point I got my ARB bumper super cheap due to a kid using an OTT to lift and within a few thousand miles it wore out his struts and UBJs and one broke, Dad told him to tear it all back apart and return it to stock. I use the OTTs as door stops in the garage. I think after 6 years of testing , breaking , redesigning on here and other sites most everything has been tried as far as doing it cheap. List out some more questions and I am sure someone smarter than I can answer them all :roll:

ga_repoman · **Posted:** Fri May 16, 2008 1:19 am

so it the only differance in a strut plate and an ott just the size
:?:

Inc · **Posted:** Fri May 16, 2008 1:36 am

Does anyone actually have a pic of the RRO Rockfather lift or another OTT lift kit that has the front struts assembled. All I could find were disassembled pics. I think an actual pic may help clear things up.

ga_repoman · **Posted:** Fri May 16, 2008 5:55 pm

ok i think if i want to go with an inexpensive lift the 2.5 daystar it is......

thanks all for the input and help

ga_repoman · **Posted:** Sat May 17, 2008 2:44 am

now another question is

how high can u go without having to get the al arms?
or does it depend on the lift...just curious im not tring to jack it sky high (if that were the case just pony up for a sfa)
But just FYI it there a standard hight make that if high the arms are kind of required
Or since these jeeps are a little differant is it just hit or miss on alignment.......

Also i have read over and over and are still a little confused if you add just the clevis rings (2 i think is the standard)
what kind of lift will that yield ????

as always thanks for the help

KJ04 · **Posted:** Sat May 17, 2008 11:20 am

ga_repoman wrote:

so it the only differance in a strut plate and an ott just the size
:?:

No

The strut plate holds your spring assembly together, an OTT spacer plate is mounted on top of the strut plate for added lift.

Inc · **Posted:** Sat May 17, 2008 11:23 am

How can an OTT be safe. Mounts on top of the strut plate? That sounds kinda scary to me. Am I wrong here?

KJ04 · **Posted:** Sat May 17, 2008 11:42 am

ga_repoman wrote:

now another question is

how high can u go without having to get the al arms?
or does it depend on the lift...just curious im not tring to jack it sky high (if that were the case just pony up for a sfa)
But just FYI it there a standard hight make that if high the arms are kind of required
Or since these jeeps are a little differant is it just hit or miss on alignment.......

Also i have read over and over and are still a little confused if you add just the clevis rings (2 i think is the standard)
what kind of lift will that yield ????

as always thanks for the help

2.5" of lift is the accepted norm, lifting above 2.5" starts pushing the envelope on your suspension. You will then need to add Al's A-Arms and Al's 3/8" shaved CV axles to safely gain greater heights at a cost of $1,015.00 before shipping.

Clevis rings are electrical conduit nuts of 1/8" thickness that will net 1/4" each of lift. 2 = 1/2", 3 = 3/4" of lift.

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Sat May 17, 2008 11:54 am

incubusmike wrote:

How can an OTT be safe. Mounts on top of the strut plate? That sounds kinda scary to me. Am I wrong here?

an OTT is a spacer - bolts to the top of the strut plate on one side - bolts to the strut plate mount on the other side -
the failure is that without a bumpstop - the suspension cycles and stops on the strut internals -
most only survive 1-2 hits before they're dead and leaking

However we have had several folks run them without problem by
1) extend bumpstop to prevent damage
2) use a AWD Minivan front strut that was longer than normal (he never did give a model/part number)
3) off-road driving exclusively on beach sand - that didn't cycle the suspension.

a full spring lift like OME is much better - allows better performance in addition to the height

KJ04 · **Posted:** Sat May 17, 2008 11:57 am

incubusmike wrote:

How can an OTT be safe. Mounts on top of the strut plate? That sounds kinda scary to me. Am I wrong here?

The OTT mounts over the strut plate studs on the stut plate below the fender and is fastened by the 4 nuts above the fender, it's not going to move anywhere.

Inc · **Posted:** Sat May 17, 2008 12:17 pm

I see. Thanks. I run the Frankie II but I was just curious about OTT lifts.

swmpthg · **Posted:** Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:59 pm

ga_repoman wrote:

now what if you wanted to get a S#1T load of lift
:lol:

so you put a 2.5ott lift (like the rocky road or rusty's)on then the 2.0 daystar (or other spacer type)lift then the clevis lift so your looking at like 5" of lift
without the tires .....those should add another inche at least that would have to give you 6 or 7 inches total when done

what would be the problem with this setup
could it, would it, work or last ....... :?:

just thinking of a hypothetical situation this would run you 4 or 5 hundred for 5 or 6 inches of lift

what does everyone think :!:

This can be done.

If you get the 3/8 shaved cv axles for the front and also JBA is trying to make a front end kit that will come with the proper items. he has a steering knuckle extension which will help. also JBA makes a rear trilink extension bracket which is a poor design. It works well just not for hardcore off roading. just make sure every bolt is torqued and locktighted.

Im thinking about getting more spacer to get my 5 inch lift back. there are many ways you can safely do this. and I think I am going to try it again. I just don't see the need in the JBA 6 inch kit when you will never compress those springs fully before tucking your 33's completly.

when flexed completly out in the front my springs were completly compressed with my 33's tucked with a half of an inch before hitting the inner wheel well. as for the rear when the springs were completly compressed the33's seemed to hit the rear fender flares which could possibly rip them off if you run 33's.

I think running the 2.5 springs and the 2.5 inch spacers are perfect because it gives you the ground clearance you want and also the best articulation for a KJ, In my opinion.

So i plan to put the spacers back on and get my KJ back up with more knowledge. And I plan to run a tire close to 33's

This Pic shows the rear tire stuffed and rubbing the fender flare and full flex and spring compression

This Pic shows the poor design for the bracket. enough force and pressure will break this thing as it did to me causing some problems

jeepkj02 · **Posted:** Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:26 pm

If you want that much lift get JBA's 6" lift.

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