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Author:  yazhi [ Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:47 pm ]
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As some of you may know, I've been spending the last month trying to get Tilli fixed to get her back on the trail.

I took her to the dealer in the middle of Dec. because I heard terrible noise coming from the front end. I told them that something wasn't right and to go thru the front suspension. They came back and told me that Tilli's upper ball joints were bad and they were going to replace the upper A arms.
I thought cool problem solved...no. Noises still there, front end still doesn't feel right. So I baby her thru the holidays and take her back this week. The dealer calls me to let me know that everything is fine in the front end, that the noise I hear is coming from a loose bolt in the rear shock mount. They tell me they can't tighten it because it's an after market shock and if they do they will have to charge me. I tell them never mind and I picked her up.

The next day I take her to the shop that installed my lift and they said they would take care of it. I go that afternoon to pick up Tilli and they show me that there is no loose bolt, but a bad shock bushing and that the not "right feeling" in the front end are my stock struts that are no longer. At less then 23000 miles my struts are history.
Needless to say I have an appt. with Quinn next week for new shocks and struts.

You're probably thinking...holy cow is she done ranting. Actually this leads me to my thought.

What if we were to have every few months like safety/service classes/parties? So that we can become more familliar with our KJ's. Just the basic things to look for, feel for. To make sure our KJ's are in top mechanical shape. Suspension, tire wear, belts, hoses, etc. I know I for one would love to learn about that, so I can know what to look for and what could and could not cause problems.

Before our runs we have the saftey officers check for saftey equipment ie. fire extinusher, first aid kit, straps, hi-lifts and etc. We carry safety equipment with us, but do we all know how to use it properly?

The CPR class was a great start and a step in the right direction. Let's try and keep moving forward.

We all love to wheel but without a safe vehicle someone could get hurt. And I think maybe be if we can find some way to intergrate saftey and servicing in our KJ's we would feel more comfortable with them. And then in turn be able to wheel them to the best of theirs and our abilities.

Thanks for listening,
Author:  skrracing [ Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:15 pm ]
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Annette, i think this is a great idea and hope the safety guys jump all over this. This is a great way for folks to learn about their jeeps and then to make good decisions on what to do with out a dealer or shop maybe leading them down the wrong path. Why did you wait so long to bring this up. hehehe. Great idea. later...Clint
Author:  Burchie [ Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:56 pm ]
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I agree Clint. Annette, I was thinking the same thing today, while waxing my dented up hood. Having all this stuff is one thing, but knowing how to use it is another. And also, if someone could show me how to change the fluids in my diffs, I'll buy them dinner.
Author:  Edvalencia [ Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:37 pm ]
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Maybe we can incorporate some of this in the training day run.
Author:  dirtykj [ Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:02 pm ]
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I second this. I can help with heavy lifting :D
Author:  desertliberty [ Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:07 pm ]
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hey Mark, I'll show you how to change the diff fluids. First roll the jeep on it's side and remove the axle. That is the best way to get all of the fluid out :lol: Sorry I had to! No seriously I am all aboard holding a safety class and a little Jeep mechanics crash course. I am sure I have a few books lying around here from my ASE certifications.

Brian
Author:  Burchie [ Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:48 pm ]
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ya know, the funny thing is, while the jeep was on it's side, I did notice how much easier it was to check things. The guy who wielded on my muffler should be fired

:roll:
Author:  Burchie [ Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:50 pm ]
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Hey I have an idea. I'm a genius. For the safety day, we could flop it back over and then demonstrate how to right an over turned TJ. And then that way, LOST can pick up the tab to get it fixed. What do you think Clint?

:arrow: :-)r
Author:  jpzkj [ Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:28 am ]
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Ok, lets hear it....What is it that you want to learn about.

Keep it short and simple and we'll see what we can do. 8)
Author:  lilmatty [ Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:43 am ]
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The birds and the bees. Finally.
Author:  Burchie [ Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:00 pm ]
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I'll step up to the plate here. I think the best maintenance you can do to your vehicle is change the fluids. The oil is no problem. I can do that or pony up the 30 bucks. But when it get to the other juices, that's were it get expensive. The Diffs don't seam hard, and jeep wants them don't every 12K. I waited until 50K. Is this a bad thing? I don't know. What about the tranny? I'm hearing prices of up to $250? And how often am I suppose to do that? Is this something I can do, or should I let a shop do it? And (this is the last thing, I promise) what should be done at 25K, 45K, 60K miles with these newer jeeps. It was easy with my '91 chevy truck, but now everything is a computer. I can't even see the spark plugs on the KJ.

Thanks
Author:  CaKJFreedom [ Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:35 pm ]
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I second the changing of all basic fluids and a ball joint check.
Author:  Edvalencia [ Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:50 pm ]
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In addition to the fluid change & ball joint check, something along the lines of how to properly/safely use a Hilift Jack, winch and/or strap. How to extinguish an engine fire. Maybe a general idea on how to upright an overturned Jeep (we can even do a hands on using Burchie's Jeep). :wink:

It may be that we would have to have 2 different classes. One for maintenance and one on how to properly use all that emergency equipment stashed in the trunk.

Ed
Author:  jpzkj [ Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:01 pm ]
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We had expected to go though the use of the hi-lift /shakles,tire repair kit, winch,snatch block, ect...but not vehicle maintenance.

As for the fire extinguisher....there are instructions on the label.

Changing the Diff fluid and Trans fluid , T-Case fluid are pretty basic operations that you could find instructions in a shop manual or a google search.


Ball Joint check is posted on the board...step by step instructions

ok....got any others ? ...man I love it when a plan comes together ! 8)
Author:  Edvalencia [ Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:40 pm ]
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Ok Mr. Wiseguy....
The reason I brought up the fire extinguisher is that at least my fire extinguisher does not tell you how to put out a fire under the hood.
Do you open the hood and allow more oxygen to enter the engine compartment? are there good access points for putting out the fire without opening the hood?

Guess I'll have to do some research.

Ed
Author:  jpzkj [ Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:02 pm ]
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Edvalencia wrote:
Ok Mr. Wiseguy....
The reason I brought up the fire extinguisher is that at least my fire extinguisher does not tell you how to put out a fire under the hood.
Do you open the hood and allow more oxygen to enter the engine compartment? are there good access points for putting out the fire without opening the hood?

Guess I'll have to do some research.

Ed



I'd just run away and call my insurance company !! :lol: A burnt car is never the same
Author:  Burchie [ Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:44 pm ]
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Nice
Author:  Edvalencia [ Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:13 am ]
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I should know better than to argue with you. :lol:
Author:  jpzkj [ Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:46 am ]
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No...Ed's right

Opening your hood when there is a fire under it can cause a flash over from the added oxygen available to the fire.

I really don't know what exactly is the correct thing to do...Open slowly while shooting the fire extinguisher seems like the right thing to me (other than grabbing my CD's and walking away :)
Author:  Fish1976 [ Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:03 pm ]
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Take a look at a fire triangle. Oxygen, fuel source and heat, those three items and you got yourself a nice fire. Take one away and its out. If its worth it unlatch the hood slowley open it while some one else is using the extinguisher or water hose. The extinguisher is ment to remove one of the three items that create the fire. http://www.cqnet.com.au/~user/solley43/ ... riang.html
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