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 Post subject: National Sea Shore Run in Oct.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:35 am 
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I thought that I would throw this out there to get an idea of how many of you are interested. Here is a very tentitive plan. Please let me know if we need to reschedule to a different date so that more can make it.

Location: National Seashore outside of Corpus Chirsty, TX.

Date: October 14th-16th, 2005

Description: There is over 50 miles of "4wd only" sand down the beach that passes through "Little Shell", "Big Shell" and eventually ends at the intercoastal channel separating North and South Padre Island. There can be no wheelin' on the dunes. Cost is $10 per vehicle for a seven day pass. I was planning on camping on the beach Friday and Saturday night but there are accomidations just outside of the park if you want to go back.

Difficulity: It totally depends on the conditions of the beach. I have been there and never really needed 4wd but another time I was alone and had to turn back or get good and stuck. Your rig can be completely stock and probably do just fine. There are some roads that go to the back side of the island if you dare.

Meeting Place: Malaquite Visitor Center, Friday October 14th at noon.

Activities: There is some pretty good surf fishing (or has been in the past) so bring your gear and pick up some bait. You can also do some crabbing, swiming, surfing, searching fer shells, exploring, etc.

Stuff to Bring: Your own food (unless we can set up something together), recovery gear for you rig, fishing gear, camping supplies, AT LEAST 1 GALLON OF WATER PER PERSON PER DAY.

URL: http://www.nps.gov/pais/index.htm

My Email: cobrien@image-ces.com

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 Post subject: National Seashore at Corpus
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I'll be there. Let's try and get something together to "share" food. I'll be by myself, and cooking for one seems a little pointless.


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Sounds good to me also. Have to keep the dates open(hehehe).

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 Post subject: National Sea Shore Run in Oct.
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Count me in ..and I will be camping on the beach too. I was their fathers day weekend and it was great..we went all the way to the end. caught a lot of fish...so is this going to be the dates?let me know so I can put in for the days off before someone else does..

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 Post subject: Interest
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:58 pm 
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Well, it looks as though there is enough interest in this to actually make it happen :D

So, lets set those dates in stone and make this happen!

If we want to cook and eat as a group for supper, we should start a "Food List" and each person volenteer to bring items. How about this:

Friday Night: Texas style Fajita's: Beef/chicken, tortillas, hot sauce, cheese
Saturday Night: ?

Also, I was thinking about the trip and one option would be to come back to civilization on Saturday late afternoon, get a motel room and hit a good bar for seafood and drinks in Port Aransas. What do you think?

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 Post subject: Let's do it
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That sounds like a good plan to me. I'm all for a good bar Saturday night. I know where I can get some gooood fajita meat, so if no one objects...I'll bring that.

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 Post subject: I'm Getting Hungy
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I will be bringing Tortillas and Guacamole. :D

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 Post subject: Smores
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Ok guy/gals,

I'll bring the fixen's for smores!!

And a big bottle of San Antonio farm's salsa.

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 Post subject: This may help
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:44 am 
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This is from 4xforum.co.za about driving in sand

SAND DUNES
Driving on sand dunes is a particularly delicate conservation issue and should never be undertaken in a thoughtless manner. If driving up and over a dune, check over the top for people, other vehicles and the sharpness of the descent on the other side. Momentum is the single most important aspect when dune driving and everything a driver does must be geared to maintaining it - no matter how the conditions vary. When a vehicle is on hard ground between dunes the correct speed and gear ratio for the climb must be established. In most dune conditions high (normal) ratio first, second and even third gears are appropriate. Avoid changing gear mid-slope as in most cases it will degrade the vehicle’s momentum enough to stop it completely.

Gear selection in dune driving is, like all off-road driving, crucial. If you are using high-range first successfully, but occasionally need a lower gear to start off, use third, fourth and fifth low-range.

All rules have their exceptions. In 1996 a group of friends in a Hilux and my family in a Land Cruiser went exploring the NamibRand Nature Reserve in Namibia, where we found some exhilarating dune driving. On one particularly long steep climb the Hilux in front balked at the steep dune and came to a halt. After about eight attempts the driver had run out of options and the dune remained unconquered. Approximately two thirds of the way up there was a length of corrugations where the track became a little steeper. The corrugations were created by drivers hitting the accelerator at the base of the gradient increase. Acceleration here simply meant spinning wheels, loss of momentum and the resultant corrugations. I then asked if I could give it a go. On the early part of the slope I realised that flat out in second gear high-range was not going to give me enough momentum to overcome the difficult patch and I was unable to back up further to give me extra speed. So, when I reached the corrugations, at the moment when my wheels would start to spin, I changed into first gear and powered my way up the final 30 metres to the top. My friend, now in the Land Cruiser, with much more power and momentum at his disposal, did the entire climb in second. In situations like this a gear change may be required and vehicles with more power require less effort to drive.

Rules of dune driving:

Deflate tyres before dune driving.
Keep power constant on the slope.
Maintain the momentum of your vehicle.
You must aim to stop at the crest in order to inspect the descent and to engage the correct gear for the descent. The aim is to get your vehicle to stop at the top, even if it means touching the sand under its belly. Ideally its nose should be over the edge and the vehicle lying horizontal or pointing slightly downhill.
If it is pointing uphill you may need to go back down and try again.
You will need to decelerate as you near the top and judge it perfectly to get it right. If you stop and are still pointing uphill you will have to reverse back down and try again. Do this once you have checked the gradient and know what you are up against. Once your vehicle is successfully perched at the top, the next step is to dig away the crest that is touching the chassis between the wheels. Survey the drop and engage the low-range first for the descent. Keep your feet off the pedals and begin the descent. If the vehicle starts to slide sideways, steer towards the slide and apply gentle accelerator.

Side slopes on sand
Never attempt to go sideways when ascending or descending a dune, because if you do the lower wheels will dig in and your vehicle will roll. Loaded roof racks are ill-advised when dune driving, and a conscious effort should be made to keep the vehicle’s centre of gravity as low as possible when loading your vehicle. That will make dune driving safer. If the track ahead runs for a short distance along the side of a dune where the vehicle may slide, power is the only thing that will prevent the rear wheels from breaking away and the vehicle stopping at a precarious angle. Keep the power on and keep moving. If the back breaks away turn into the slope (downhill) and keep the power on. Getting stuck on a side slope is often a dangerous situation and the first priority should be to secure the front of the vehicle to prevent it from sliding any further and increasing the angle and the risk of rolling the vehicle.

SAND TRACKS
When driving on thick sand tracks engage four-wheel drive even if you do not require it. Tyre wear will be reduced and vehicle control will be easier. Fuel consumption will also be improved because, even if you don’t realise it, in two-wheel drive wheel spin will occur over the bumpy patches and speed is lost. The proof of this is the effect that a two-wheel drive has on this type of road. The spinning rear wheels cause large waves of sand to be built up and, after a time, driving on these roads is like riding a roller coaster.

When driving along deep sand tracks there is a natural tendency to fight with the steering wheel. This is due to the wheels sliding over the sand with very little feel being transmitted back to the driver as to which way the front wheels are pointing. Deep tracks can be driven without a hand being placed on the steering wheel at all. But don’t be fooled by this, as I once was and played a game of chance along the narrow sand tracks in the Kalahari - many 4x4s have come to grief as the front wheels spin out and the vehicle suddenly rolls over. On this type of track the vehicle moves as if it were on rails and the inexperienced driver will tend to fight the steering wheel and most of the time the front wheels will not be pointing in the direction of travel - the front wheels will plough through the sand, absorbing power and consuming excess fuel. Very little steering effort is needed to guide a vehicle in these conditions. Let the vehicle steer itself while holding the wheel firmly enough to catch it if it suddenly swings, gently coaxing the vehicle in the direction you wish to go.

When driving along tracks through thick bush it is important to keep the windows rolled up to eye height. This is done to prevent branches along the edges of bush tracks from whipping into the passing vehicle and causing injury to the occupants’ eyes.

Sand tracks that have very high walls are difficult to get out of.

To get out of the trough, decelerate lightly, swing the wheel over quite hard and then IMMEDIATELY SWING IT BACK to just off the dead ahead position. If the steering wheel is left in the hard over position, a slide and a roll-over could result. If it works, the vehicle’s front wheels will ride over the ridge and the rear wheels will follow. If it does not, centre the steering and try again. If you find it impossible to leave the track, as can sometimes happen, stop the vehicle and try it in reverse. If you are forced to leave the track due to an oncoming vehicle, stop and turn on your headlights. Try the reverse procedure pulling off to the left hand side of the track.

On two occasions I have come across a 4WD vehicle lying in the middle of a sand track on its side. On both occasions the driver had tried to get out of the track. He had swung the wheel hard over and when nothing happened he turned it even more. All of a sudden the front wheels had hit something solid and the vehicle left the track so sharply that it rolled over. This is a common occurrence. Don’t let it happen to you.

So remember:

Engage 4WD even if you don’t need it.
Hold the steering wheel gently.
Slow down well in advance when you see oncoming traffic.

BEACH DRIVING
Beach and sand driving have obvious similarities, but other important points should be considered when driving on the beach. Make sure you carry a can of Q-20, or a similar water repellent as well as a tyre gauge and pump with you. Drop tyre pressures before venturing onto the beach.

If the engine stalls or splutters because of water contaminating the electrical system, a dry rag and a spray of Q-20 in the distributor and on the HT lead connections is an instant cure. If you stall and are unable to restart, select 4WD low-range first gear and turn over the starter. Progress will be slow but if your battery has a good charge, you should be able to get out of reach of the waves. If the tide is threatening steer away from the water but remember that turning the steering to full lock will put a lot of resistance against the wheels and the starter motor may stall or the wheels may spin. If your tyres have a heavy tread, deflate them to as low as ten percent of normal road pressures.

An outgoing tide is the best time to drive on the beach due to the extra time to dig yourself out should you get into trouble. Do not underestimate the speed at which the tide comes in - you may lose your vehicle if you do! Drive as close as possible to the water’s edge without getting splashed and you will be driving on the firmest surface. Beware of shiny wet patches and keep them between you and the surf - they indicate deep patches of sand saturated with water. Areas of pebbles or shells which even under the best lighting conditions are difficult to detect, are treacherous. They are invisible when the sun is low in the sky. Avoid driving on an unfamiliar beach at night.

Driver techniques for beach driving vary, and the method described for sand driving works on the beach. Additional speed can be used due to the absence of obstacles (as long as there are no people about). There are no paths or roads on the beach so if there are other vehicles about, give way to anyone who appears to be having difficulty, and watch out for children.

Low gear ratios will induce wheel spin unless the driver is very careful about how he applies his right foot. For example, hitting the accelerator once in the difficult patch will immediately spin the wheels - and if you bog down after wheel spin, your vehicle will be much deeper than if you had simply run out of traction.

Another method is to ‘walk’ your vehicle by using low-ratio first gear and crawl through, never allowing your wheels to spin. When using this method there is always the temptation to race the engine and go a bit faster. Don’t be tempted - it’s an invitation to disaster!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:18 pm 
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Spike,

How far you going?

I did about 15 miles of it today in my 2x powertrax.

I even tried to stick it up by the dunes and failed. I dug in and lost all forward momentum on purpose and it still climbed its way out. Are there any hills further than this or just as flat? I can see I might have some trouble on loose hills at the posted speed limit.

I even found a "wet cement" spot in corpus and it dug thru that too. (Thats a mixture of beach sand, mud, muck, and water with no bottom.)

Note: I hate my powertrax on a daily basis, the SOB works though.

You are right, a stock libby would probably do just fine as long as someone has a towstrapp.

Oh yeah, If you dont mind your jeep getting full of sand leave the winder down, otherwise if you have it up and go to roll it down your gonna luv that sound of scratching glass


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I figured that we would go all the way to the intercoastal cut (about 55 to 60 miles I think), unless we all start getting stuck, but I doubt it will be that bad. 8) It is pretty much flat the whole way but you sometime need to make the cross from the low road to the high road and that can be fairly challenging at times. And yes, the posted speed limit is dumb!

I am doubting that we will run to the back side of the island though. I made that mistake before and buried Ford :cry:

Careful in the dunes, you can get a heafty fine if you are caught.

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Are we camping out on the beach? or Are we staying some Motel close by? The reason I'm asking is beacuse I will be towing a 12' Pop Up and I know at the National Seashore there is a place to camp out? By the way we would be arriving Friday around 10:00 pm.

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You can drag that popup the whole way if you want or camp at the paved road sites with facilities. You may want to drag it as its over 100 miles round trip at slow speed.

Its $8 a night at the nice spots and free the rest of the way.

If you are a disable vet then its only $4 a night and park access is free


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You can drag that popup the whole way if you want or camp at the paved road sites with facilities. You may want to drag it as its over 100 miles round trip at slow speed.

Its $8 a night at the nice spots and free the rest of the way.

If you are a disable vet then its only $4 a night and park access is free



If I remembered right about 30 miles in there is some deep loose sand. Will the Pop-Up get stuck?

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I plan on camping on the beach. And are those of us than can still meeting at noon on Friday?


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I would strongly advise against trying to drag that trailer all the way down the beach. Personally, I would leave it at the 2wd section and just return to it later to crash if that is what you want to do.

I was planning on camping on the beach somewhere around the intercoastal cut or 50 - 60 miles down. Then, we can party like rock stars if we want. It takes some time to get down that far and back (depending on the conditions of the sand) and you are usually tired of the rough ride by the time you get down that far.

I was still planning on meeting at noon. If there are only three Jeeps going and one will not make it, do we need to re-schedule the trip? Realistically, if KJ02 does not meet us, then we will probably never see him until we are headed back off of the beach and that dosen't sound like much of a "group trip" for him.

PS. I may have to bring by FJ40 instead of the KJ but hopefully not. Either way, it will be a blast.

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Spike6901 wrote:
I would strongly advise against trying to drag that trailer all the way down the beach. Personally, I would leave it at the 2wd section and just return to it later to crash if that is what you want to do.

I was planning on camping on the beach somewhere around the intercoastal cut or 50 - 60 miles down. Then, we can party like rock stars if we want. It takes some time to get down that far and back (depending on the conditions of the sand) and you are usually tired of the rough ride by the time you get down that far.

I was still planning on meeting at noon. If there are only three Jeeps going and one will not make it, do we need to re-schedule the trip? Realistically, if KJ02 does not meet us, then we will probably never see him until we are headed back off of the beach and that dosen't sound like much of a "group trip" for him.

PS. I may have to bring by FJ40 instead of the KJ but hopefully not. Either way, it will be a blast.



Thanks Spike6901 for the advise, I'm going to try to see if I can call in sick on Friday so we can all meet instead of re-scheduling the trip. I hope my boss does not read this topic. :oops:

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I'll try my hardest to make this run, it sounds like a blast. No worries about sand in stuff, my on board air system will be done by then and I'll be sure to have a blow nozzle. :)

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If your boss does read this, maybe he'll join us.

It looks like about 6 people have said they'll be there, minus one if KJ02 can't get there until late. I'll be there Friday at noon. If everyone else that has said thy'll be there can confirm they'll be there Friday at noon, I say we leave it scheduled as is. We can always plan just a Saturday party or something to hang out.


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