JBA 12" KIT!!!

tommudd · **Posted:** Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:31 pm

ramlebliberty wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

tommudd wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

tommudd wrote:

RAYMAN975 wrote:

in order to get rid of that red C-clip/upperball joint spacer, we would need new taller knuckles/spindles made, where the upper balljoint bolts up $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :shock:

man thats a lot of money Ray :shock:

if only we were all super rich!

Only $2500 for the prototype SuperLift ones :wink:

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sold my roof rack today only need 2400 more :lol:

That's $2500 each :shock:

,so only $4900 more to go.

don't get me wrong i'm not a rocket scientist, just a step above stupid... wouldn't moving the top of the spring inward and having it on a angle, eliminate the need for the knuckle/ spindle? also dropping the dif an inch or two would keep it in range of the clevis fork? that would mean the only custom fabbing would be making a braket to move the coilover inward on top. a sawzall goes a long way :twisted:

tjkj
I am only doing one side for now, the side everyone sees :wink:

ramlebliberty
I know this is hard to believe, but I am at a loss for words with what you are thinking may work. Its great to have new and different ideas but not needing a knuckle ??? whats holding the tire /wheel/ bearing assembly and cutting out part of an important part of the frame/ unibody with a sawzall :shock:

ramlebliberty · **Posted:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:39 am

tommudd wrote:

ramlebliberty wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

tommudd wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

tommudd wrote:

RAYMAN975 wrote:

in order to get rid of that red C-clip/upperball joint spacer, we would need new taller knuckles/spindles made, where the upper balljoint bolts up $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ :shock:

man thats a lot of money Ray :shock:

if only we were all super rich!

Only $2500 for the prototype SuperLift ones :wink:

.

sold my roof rack today only need 2400 more :lol:

That's $2500 each :shock:

,so only $4900 more to go.

don't get me wrong i'm not a rocket scientist, just a step above stupid... wouldn't moving the top of the spring inward and having it on a angle, eliminate the need for the knuckle/ spindle? also dropping the dif an inch or two would keep it in range of the clevis fork? that would mean the only custom fabbing would be making a braket to move the coilover inward on top. a sawzall goes a long way :twisted:

tjkj
I am only doing one side for now, the side everyone sees :wink:

ramlebliberty
I know this is hard to believe, but I am at a loss for words with what you are thinking may work. Its great to have new and different ideas but not needing a knuckle ??? whats holding the tire /wheel/ bearing assembly and cutting out part of an important part of the frame/ unibody with a sawzall :shock:

sorry.. sorry.. sorry about that, typo error, I rushed that comment before I headed out to wash my jeep *

check the pictures section

* what i mean was a NEW extended spindle, if the shock comes in on an angle would you still need it? :lol:

no, im not that dumb. and yes you can cut the unibody.. I also something like I am talking about on the aussie sfa kj
as long as you weld in support to strenghten the part you cut out its alright. I've also seen it done to get clearance for larger tires on other unibody vehicles.

Please remember I am a man with an insane toddler and 4-5 hours of sleep per night... i'm not always there when i'm typing

chefdab · **Posted:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:24 pm

So is the red thing on the picture just another (probably taller) knuckle extension?

ramlebliberty · **Posted:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:28 pm

chefdab wrote:

So is the red thing on the picture just another (probably taller) knuckle extension?

yes, basically thats what it does. It doesn't have a lot of field time and a bunch of guys are queasy about it. if that piece fails... your wheel falls off :shock:

Back-n-Black · **Posted:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:35 pm

tommudd wrote:

Back-n-Black wrote:

tommudd wrote:

Back-n-Black wrote:

Then back off this thread and let the dude work. I mean you guys don't even know how any of it is put together and allready everyone is crying "mall crawler" "run for the hills" "not sold" and other crap when you don't even know what is being done. Easy down please.

Dig the idea, dig the idea that right now someone is making new parts for the lib, dig that they want to try something that is not "OME HD spings and Racho's" which is all that is heard or spoken on this site. :roll:

WHOA STOP THE PRESS

We don't know how any of this is put together?
Don't even know what is being done?
Yep we are all beginners and have never lifted anything before :roll:

Come on give us a little credit here, a lot of us have spent a ton of hours under Libertys and other 4WDs we know what will work and where the weak links will be

I like Marlin, he has treadted me fair and YES It's great someone is making new parts but we have all been there, seen that before, there is only so much you can do and we have seen it done and tried, unless he has a hidden surprise up his sleeve but that would cost more than what he going to charge.
The front suspension of the Liberty just does not lend itself well to lifts of that range, period.
PLUS the fact remains that you are using a D30a with the lowest gears available of 4.10 so with a 33/or bigger tire it is going to be a DOG!!
Why not yell mall crawler, if you can not use it for the way you should, yes maybe it will work OK off road but it will still be a dog out there doing it

Ok tommyboy. Where does it say the kit will use a D30a front diff? Where? I have read everything i can find and see nothing to back up the stinky poo slinging you are doing by guessing how this kit will be made. If you know how to build 4x4's better than anyone why are you not a Jeep Engineer? Why is your door to your house not knocked down by all the Baja 1000 teams coming to look for your help?

If your not interested and a lift this big threatens your manhood in any way, :lol:

, why are you in here bashing it and subscribed to recieve email updates about it? Your just threading along to start crap and bash this product. I do not appreshiate that at all. :evil:

First I will not lower myself to your level and start the name calling,
I DO NOT APPRESHIATE wait spell check time its appreciate
I have a name and what you used is not it.
AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS SAID NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT THIS LIFT, I MUST BE TO BE ATTACKED LIKE THIS :roll:

The reason I don't work for Jeep is I make WAY MORE money where I am :lol:

This is America and I can voice my opinion any time I want to. :wink:

This kit in no way threatens my manhood :lol:

Like I said I think Marlin makes great stuff, I have his UCAs but ....

Oh well let the youngins take over I will sit back and eat some more pop corn while they skip along in la la land

you are so funny, let the games begin
and a side note don't be so serious , take a break and laugh

Tom i replied to you because you directly replied to me. Not singling anyone out or attacking i just think your funny.

There is nothing.....repeat nothing that can not be engineered through enough time and effort. Monster trucks that weight 8 tons fly threw the air 100-200 feet and land without breaking, rock crawlers that go up seemingly unclimbable hills, engines that start as 150hp 4 cylinder econo machines and end with 1500hp. Why is it so hard to believe a company can make a 12" lift for a libby and have it work well on and off road?

But with that i will end this. The internet forum users here know all and everyone listen to them.

:roll:

tommudd · **Posted:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:56 pm

OK back-n-black back to talking about different things again, I have built 4WD full size vans on 40s so I know anything can be done, I also saw another 4WD van roll due to the guy taking a few short cuts and doing some scary things like I see above with suspension parts. The roll over was not pretty as he had all the beer for the weekend!

ramlebliberty · **Posted:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:01 pm

tommudd wrote:

The roll over was not pretty as he had all the beer for the weekend!

that made me sad...

I reviewed the spaces inside the libby... you can move the coils inbound by about 2" safely, custom mounts will need to be made.

Now i just need to solve the knuckle, diff, tranny, driveshaft, uca/lca, and $$$ issue and i'm going to make a baja liberty :twisted:

tommudd · **Posted:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:29 pm

ramlebliberty wrote:

tommudd wrote:

The roll over was not pretty as he had all the beer for the weekend!

that made me sad...

I reviewed the spaces inside the libby... you can move the coils inbound by about 2" safely, custom mounts will need to be made.

Now i just need to solve the knuckle, diff, tranny, driveshaft, uca/lca, and $$$ issue and i'm going to make a baja liberty :twisted:

Nothing to it right

ramlebliberty · **Posted:** Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:49 pm

tommudd wrote:

ramlebliberty wrote:

tommudd wrote:

The roll over was not pretty as he had all the beer for the weekend!

that made me sad...

I reviewed the spaces inside the libby... you can move the coils inbound by about 2" safely, custom mounts will need to be made.

Now i just need to solve the knuckle, diff, tranny, driveshaft, uca/lca, and $$$ issue and i'm going to make a baja liberty :twisted:

Nothing to it right

well... just the knuckle, I mean... trying to stay away from a extender.. I was able to find room for the shock/coil to mount from where i would want it, to the lca... with that you can get more travel out of the uca before it contacts the shocks, if it can at all from that angle. However you would want a longer knuckle if you lowered the lca with the dif. to maximize travel and thats the problem :evil:

tranny, diff & driveshafts are kinda simple.

this is all on paper with some of my "high quality mechanical drawing drafts" you know as they say... "if it works on paper, it will work" :roll:

don't knock on me for having ocd with engineering problems. I either find a solution or drive my blood pressure through the roof in frustration.

LIV42DY · **Posted:** Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:59 pm

so get rid of the C clip between th UCA and the Knuckle and replace it with a solid piece of stock, think about it before you ask me how, Rev Mud knows the answer

tommudd · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:54 am

LIV42DY wrote:

so get rid of the C clip between th UCA and the Knuckle and replace it with a solid piece of stock, think about it before you ask me how, Rev Mud knows the answer

I know nothing , someone PMd that to me yesterday, so again I know nothing :roll:

ramlebliberty · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:22 pm

hmm... so if you can drop the lca, what keeps you from dropping the upper? i know a ton of fab work, but if you dropped the uca, lca, and front dif 2 inches, wouldn't that allow a 6" coilover without binding cv's or needing the clip, or new knuckle?

this is not a real project for me, i just like to prove that somthing can be done

LIV42DY · **Posted:** Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:43 pm

Oh OH!! sorry Tom someone actually took it seriously. it was just a logical, thing. We have all at one time or another fab things up correctly, didnt mean to put you in a spot. to all those PM Tom, he really dosent have the answer , again it was just a logical thing that experienced wrenchers would know, and take a crack at designing or refining a specific part. Ideas!!! if you know what I mean.

but it can be made fron a solid pice of stock instead as a matter of fact im drawing something.

Quicksilversurf917 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:55 pm

so I kno im bringing back an old thread, but has anyone heard any news on the kit?

tonycrd · **Posted:** Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:54 pm

Nope....

XC204 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:09 pm

Back-n-Black do not take it too hard this is mainly a "buy and Bolt" site except for a few. This site http://www.offroadfabnet.com/index.php is an excellent site for mods and fabs that involve cuttin an weldin

ObiHann · **Posted:** Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:22 pm

XC204 wrote:

Back-n-Black do not take it too hard this is mainly a "buy and Bolt" site except for a few. This site http://www.offroadfabnet.com/index.php is an excellent site for mods and fabs that involve cuttin an weldin

When did BNB toll in on this lol? He won't be replying to this BTW, he is in time out :roll:

tonycrd · **Posted:** Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:48 pm

XC204 wrote:

Back-n-Black do not take it too hard this is mainly a "buy and Bolt" site except for a few. This site http://www.offroadfabnet.com/index.php is an excellent site for mods and fabs that involve cuttin an weldin

Hmm...the SFA guys better not read this :twisted:

XC204 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:15 pm

As I said except for a few.

JBA 12" KIT!!!

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