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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:20 pm 
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Yes, will notice a difference………………………..It ride better and look better. You need to buy my replacement upper A arms because yours must be getting wore out. LOL, I really have know idea how long the OE A-arms last, but mine are for sale if you want to change them out when you do the lift. Mine are from a 2007 KJ with only 12,000 miles on them. For sale for $100.00


:) I can't wait to be lifted!! Are the 07 a-arms a direct swap into my 03? If they are still for sale...and mine do fail...you'll be getting a PM. Keep in mind the soonest I will be getting the lift will be early May. Gotta save up the cash so I stop putting everything on credit now that I finally am 100% debt free.


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Yes, will notice a difference………………………..It ride better and look better. You need to buy my replacement upper A arms because yours must be getting wore out. LOL, I really have know idea how long the OE A-arms last, but mine are for sale if you want to change them out when you do the lift. Mine are from a 2007 KJ with only 12,000 miles on them. For sale for $100.00


:) I can't wait to be lifted!! Are the 07 a-arms a direct swap into my 03? If they are still for sale...and mine do fail...you'll be getting a PM. Keep in mind the soonest I will be getting the lift will be early May. Gotta save up the cash so I stop putting everything on credit now that I finally am 100% debt free.


No problem. You might ask Tom how long the life expectancy is for the factory a-arms. You can also buy the aftermarket JBA gen. 4.5 A-arms. Either way, mine are for sale if you need them or want them.

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My stock arms were ran up until they had 111,000 on them and they are still good, ball joint and bushings are tight, I replaced mine due to a great deal on some 4.5s
As far as being lifted and being dependable , mines been lifted for over 75000 now and not one problem.
Actually only thing I have had to replace is the u joints and idler pulley in 117,500 miles.
Have upgraded UCAs, LBJs, battery but thats it!

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Would you recommend me replacing the UCA's and LBJ's when I have everything torn apart when I am doing the lift? To me the extra $550 for the UCAs and LBJs are more than worth it for the peace of mind I would get knowing that they wont fail and I won't have to rent a car while the replacements are shipping, etc.

I see that All J's charges more to install the UCA's than it does an entire Frankenlift suspension. Does that imply that its a huge PIA and not to be undertaken unless you really know what you're doing and have adequate tools? While I have never installed a lift on a vehicle, I have installed countless suspensions on everything from Honda's to Subaru's during my import days.


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Would you recommend me replacing the UCA's and LBJ's when I have everything torn apart when I am doing the lift? To me the extra $550 for the UCAs and LBJs are more than worth it for the peace of mind I would get knowing that they wont fail and I won't have to rent a car while the replacements are shipping, etc.

I see that All J's charges more to install the UCA's than it does an entire Frankenlift suspension. Does that imply that its a huge PIA and not to be undertaken unless you really know what you're doing and have adequate tools? While I have never installed a lift on a vehicle, I have installed countless suspensions on everything from Honda's to Subaru's during my import days.


Upper control arms are about an hour to hour and a half depending....only real problem is the rear bolt on the drivers side, pain in the kister! Takes longer to remove the airbox and battery etc than the Arms almost. Lift if you get the Franky is pretty straight forward and easy to do. If you need some help let me know, I have done a few now. both arms and lifts,
If you have the money I say do it all UCAs -Als 4.5s and also the lift you have everything torn out so doesn't take much longer. You will also want to make the pockets bigger where the UCAs bolt into the frame, angle grinder and a BIG hammer take care of that!
Anything else look me up

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Would you recommend me replacing the UCA's and LBJ's when I have everything torn apart when I am doing the lift? To me the extra $550 for the UCAs and LBJs are more than worth it for the peace of mind I would get knowing that they wont fail and I won't have to rent a car while the replacements are shipping, etc.

I see that All J's charges more to install the UCA's than it does an entire Frankenlift suspension. Does that imply that its a huge PIA and not to be undertaken unless you really know what you're doing and have adequate tools? While I have never installed a lift on a vehicle, I have installed countless suspensions on everything from Honda's to Subaru's during my import days.


Upper control arms are about an hour to hour and a half depending....only real problem is the rear bolt on the drivers side, pain in the kister! Takes longer to remove the airbox and battery etc than the Arms almost. Lift if you get the Franky is pretty straight forward and easy to do. If you need some help let me know, I have done a few now. both arms and lifts,
If you have the money I say do it all UCAs -Als 4.5s and also the lift you have everything torn out so doesn't take much longer. You will also want to make the pockets bigger where the UCAs bolt into the frame, angle grinder and a BIG hammer take care of that!
Anything else look me up

Tom


Right on!! I really appreciate all of your advice and the offer to help when I finally do the lift. I will buy all of the beer and food you want and i'm sure there is other stuff I can help you out with for your time!

I have another question actually (I know, shocking haha) How long do you drive after lifting before you go in for an alignment? At 70 miles a day, my tires could go to hell in a couple days if its out of whack too much..


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You may want to check your front lower ball joints too.. look for any play on them.

If you want more lift info, try our FAQ:

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=37164

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RenegadeMatt,

I installed the Frankenlift II Premium at 65k miles in December of 08. Two weekends ago I noticed that I had grease around both my wheel wells. The passenger side inner CV boot was broken in half, on the drivers side I couldnt really tell where the break was in the boot was but it was coming from the inner CV. I took it to the offroad shop and they replaced the boots and told me that the drivers side outter CV housing had stress cracks in it. I have posted on the board and had a few suggest if I was purchasing new axle assemblies to go with NAPA. I now seem to be experiencing CV joints thumping when the suspension droops (extends).

See post:
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=40161

I am currently working with AllJ to get through this problem and they are responsive and supportive. I am not pointing fingers and saying that the Frankenlift is a bad product but I was in the same boat that you were in. I did research and wanted to get a great quality lift that I could rely on. All signs pointed to the Frankenlift and I pulled the trigger. It was installed in my wife's daily driver and couldnt really be without this vehicle. It was installed by myself and my mechanic friend who has been in the business for at least 20 years. There are things that I am learning from Quinn at the moment that I wish I would have known during the install.

The theory about my CV boots are that it might have been pinched during the install (which we were very careful about) or they were hard and cracked due to the new angle. There really isnt an explanation about the cracks in the CV housing but it could have been their prior to the lift but I am not sure. If I would have known the possible issue with the boots I would have just put new boots on the car while doing the lift. Its your call on whether you want to do that or not. Quinn is suggesting that I do an alignment in my drive way to see if that helps the CVs from thumping while going down the road. It appears that the bottom of my tires need to come out 1/4" and my toe is a bit too much. The back of the tires are out further then the front (dont remember the measurement at this point it was late last night). I am on the fence if a new UCA would help my application or not.

Also didnt know this at the time but you shouldnt tighten your clevis bolts while the car is in the air. You should put jack stands under the LCAs and allow the car to rest on the suspension and then tighten so you dont introduce any artificial lift.

Another thing I recommend is set your front end on jack stands (placed by the LBJ) to allow the car to sit on the suspension while the tires are free to spin. Spin the tires while straight and turned to verify that the CVs are not binding. (something else I didnt do during the install)

Again I want to stress that I am not talking bad about the Frankenlift or the support from Quinn and Heather at AllJ. I just wanted to share my experience with the lift. Lots of people on the board have installed their lifts and had great success but there has been a small few that have had issues with CV's and such. I hope that I will soon be one of those people that have great stories about their lift. If all these things dont work AllJ is talking about providing me strut assemblies that are about .5 or 1" shorter to reduce the angle of the axle assemblies. As soon as we identify a solution I am definitely going to post it.

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