Frankenlift question

steve03sport · **Posted:** Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:38 pm

anyone have any input on the rusty's lift? good bad?

tommudd · **Posted:** Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:50 pm

Rustys =Bad
will sag in no time
springs are rated at the same as stock 310 lb.
rear shocks are junk
only good thing he uses are OME front shocks with his sticker on them
Sean150 has them , hasn't wheeled it that much or that hard, 20,000/25,00 miles maybe and they have sagged about two inches

omGoddard · **Posted:** Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:53 pm

30 mins. Geesh... loosening sway bar, jacking it up, pulling wheels, pulling airbox/battery, pulling calipers, balljoints, pulling old assemblys. :lol:

Me and my best friend, who is one of the best mechanics I know, took around an hour each side, and that was with a lot of bsing, and me already having the airbox/batt, wheels, and sway off when he arrived with the much needed air tools.

I'll throw in 100 too, Tom. :twisted:

steve03sport · **Posted:** Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:07 pm

a good friend said check out rocky road lifts. what do u think tom?

tommudd · **Posted:** Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:53 pm

RRO
If you get one of their spring lifts they are OK
their spacer lifts have cost a lot of people a ton of money
Full spring lifts, they use OME parts so thats good!
Problem with RRO is their service, its really hit and miss if you get everything, if you have problems, good luck most times at getting help.
They are not a very well respected company.
Plus you can buy the same parts at the same price at other places with way better customer service :2cents:

steve03sport · **Posted:** Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:51 pm

any idea on why theres problems with the spacer kit? so just on spacer kits whats the best ones to buy?

tommudd · **Posted:** Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:47 am

The design on spacer lifts is not the best setup. Plus you are still using stock springs which sag very quickly. So if you have over 30-35,000 miles on your ride and install a spacer type lift you will get some lift but it will also sag quicker.
Depends on if you want to go cheaper ( by not much ) now and then redo the lift in a year or so or spend the money now to do full spring and be done.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:25 pm

Results will vary. I've owned two KJs, and my current one has over 84K miles on it, and my factory springs are sitting just as high with the Daystar spacers as my previous KJ with 5,000 miles on it did with the same spacers. And I work my Jeep HARD sometimes. Don't automatically assume that suspension components are disposable. You can get a lot more life out of them than many people will suggest.

tommudd · **Posted:** Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:18 am

Combat Truck Monkey · **Posted:** Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:34 am

tommudd wrote:

:roll:

I think you need to start putting a "...Unless you drive a CRD" disclaimer in your recomendations! :mrgreen:

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:30 am

Yeah I guess I've been driving magical Jeeps touched by unicorns for the past 10-15 years. Because I've never seen these 30K and they're done suspension parts that he says every Jeep is riddled with.

I almost consider it shady to tell people "Oh MY...your Jeep is out of 36K bumper to bumper warranty! You need to replace all your springs and shocks!" It sounds like something a car salesman would say.

tommudd · **Posted:** Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:24 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

Yeah I guess I've been driving magical Jeeps touched by unicorns for the past 10-15 years. Because I've never seen these 30K and they're done suspension parts that he says every Jeep is riddled with.

I almost consider it shady to tell people "Oh MY...your Jeep is out of 36K bumper to bumper warranty! You need to replace all your springs and shocks!" It sounds like something a car salesman would say.

You know I have tried to iqnore some of this but ANY suspension starts to sag over time, I went to mechanics school back in the early 1970s for alignments, front end (suspension) and brakes. It was taught back then that coil and leaf springs loose their ability to hold a vehicle after an amount of time , back then it was 40-50,000.
An average driver may not notice it since it does not happen over night,but they do gradually.
This is and never was a way to sell suspension parts but rather to keep a vehicle handeling the best it could.
Now upgrading to a suspension system like OME makes the KJ ( or any 4WD) handle way better than even new.
Saying that a 100,000 mile vehicle rides as good as new is just not right.
Argue the point and make fun of others who try and give out the right information is just plain funny and shows what some do not know.
Thank you for your time
Sermon over
Rev. Mudd

KJ 119 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:39 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

Results will vary. I've owned two KJs, and my current one has over 84K miles on it, and my factory springs are sitting just as high with the Daystar spacers as my previous KJ with 5,000 miles on it did with the same spacers. And I work my Jeep HARD sometimes. Don't automatically assume that suspension components are disposable. You can get a lot more life out of them than many people will suggest.

You should be ashamed of yourself for making such an absurd statement.

Sure,you can get more life out of them.You can keep the stock suspension forever,but it's gonna ride like crap.

Straight up,a CRD suspension should be changed no later than 40,000 miles.50 max.
You're only fooling yourself,or really don't know what a fresh suspension feels like.

84k on stock suspension and just as high as one with 5k. :ROTFL:

gimme a break

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:30 am

So I guess what you're saying is.. my tape measure lies. Right?

All the people who think suspension parts just automatically become worthless when the 36K warranty ends -----> :-)r

And yes, I am starting to actually get pi$$ed about it because it's costing fellow Jeepers a lot of cash they don't necessarily need to spend. Honestly, it's taking advantage of new members here to tell them ridiculous crap like that.

Combat Truck Monkey · **Posted:** Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:35 am

LibertyCRD wrote:

So I guess what you're saying is.. my tape measure lies. Right?

All the people who think suspension parts just automatically become worthless when the 36K warranty ends -----> :-)r

And yes, I am starting to actually get pi$$ed about it because it's costing fellow Jeepers a lot of cash they don't necessarily need to spend. Honestly, it's taking advantage of new members here to tell them ridiculous crap like that.

Let me just say that one of the reasons "I" put a lift on "MY" Liberty is because the springs on "MY" Liberty started to sag dramatically at about 30,000 miles. This is a gasser and I have noticed from my friend who has a CRD, the springs seem like they are more stout in the CRD. Your individual results may differ.

tommudd · **Posted:** Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:13 am

CRDs are heavier due to the engine being so much heavier to begin with, stock spring rate is 410 lbs ( OME HD 927s are 410 lb)
Now gassers although they don't have to carry that boat anchor around still only come out with 310 lb springs
Big difference right there.
No one on here is trying to do things to cost newbies or anyone more money, they ask how to "UPGRADE" their suspension the right way and to do it right is to replace the springs.

Every part on a KJ or any vehicle every made on this planet wears out over time. Springs are one of the hardest worked items on a vehicle. They are even working just holding it up while sitting still. Then you drive down some of our great roads and they are cycling up and down several thousand times a minute!
Now tell me thay do not wear out and sag !!!
To tell some one that suspension parts never wear out is , well how did you put it, oh yes rediculous crap :ROTFL:

InCommando · **Posted:** Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:22 am

tommudd wrote:

RRO
If you get one of their spring lifts they are OK
their spacer lifts have cost a lot of people a ton of money
Full spring lifts, they use OME parts so thats good!
Problem with RRO is their service, its really hit and miss if you get everything, if you have problems, good luck most times at getting help.
They are not a very well respected company.
Plus you can buy the same parts at the same price at other places with way better customer service :2cents:

I am not Tom, but the rear RRO shocks that came with my Rockfather were leaking and ruined in under 10,000 miles. The rest of the parts are pretty much what you get anywhere and are fine.

I am not sure how a poster a couple of posts up with a modified suspension is extolling the virtues a stock suspensions, but.... Anyone with eyes can drive down the road and see the majority of KJ's are squatting, particularly in the front. The majority of owners note and report a significant deterioration in the ride, handling, & ride height with a 100% stock suspension before 50K. I fought to get mine changed under warranty and was advised ( BS out of their butt answer) that a 1" drop in a KJ's ride height was within the expected range and not a warranty issue. :roll:

I will admit that the statistical odd ball that is the CRD may be different because there are so few of them that they are rarely seen around here. My apathy explains my ignorance there.

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