Has anyone heard any word on new lift SFA or otherwise ????

Pablo · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1201

FastTRX wrote:

Depending on the price...I may be able to justify spending the extra $ for Al's lift (finding a buyer for my Franky would be harder!) but my ultimate goal would be to fit a nice set off 33's under mine and not have to worry about the front diff. exploding beneath me while on the trail. Is there anything we can possibly do (cost friendly) to strengthen the front end or is it going to be a "risky business" kind of deal wheeling one w/ 33's? I guess these are all quetions that need to be asked AFTER someone has done it successfully...and really put their rig through the paces. To my knowledge...the 30A's housing is the weakest link? Or is it the internals? Both?

I just can't ever see my rig with SFA...as much as I dream, it's just too unrealistic in my plans.

Doesn't the new KK have a reinforced diff? Is it backwards compatible? As I understand it the case design is the weak link. With the CRD you can't hardly get the reinforcement collar to fit. :evil:

Dje Ryu · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:14 am

I'm curious about those sway bar disco's. How much for those?

Also, is there a differential we could upgrade to (fairly easily) that would be stronger, but still IFS?

FastTRX · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:35 am

Pablo wrote:

FastTRX wrote:

Depending on the price...I may be able to justify spending the extra $ for Al's lift (finding a buyer for my Franky would be harder!) but my ultimate goal would be to fit a nice set off 33's under mine and not have to worry about the front diff. exploding beneath me while on the trail. Is there anything we can possibly do (cost friendly) to strengthen the front end or is it going to be a "risky business" kind of deal wheeling one w/ 33's? I guess these are all quetions that need to be asked AFTER someone has done it successfully...and really put their rig through the paces. To my knowledge...the 30A's housing is the weakest link? Or is it the internals? Both?

I just can't ever see my rig with SFA...as much as I dream, it's just too unrealistic in my plans.

Doesn't the new KK have a reinforced diff? Is it backwards compatible? As I understand it the case design is the weak link. With the CRD you can't hardly get the reinforcement collar to fit. :evil:

I have heard this too...but I've also heard horror stories of guys getting wheel hop...loosing traction and then regaining very quickly which explodes the internals. Sounds like it's the archilles heal of the KJ...minus IFS. Al is on to something with this lift...if we could get a nice replacement diff. to fit w/ out major work, we would be set!

It would be awesome to transplant something else in there that would be able to hold up to the 33's...but what? Pablo brings up a good point...is the KK's diff backwards compatible?

Pablo · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1201

Dje Ryu wrote:

I'm curious about those sway bar disco's. How much for those?

Also, is there a differential we could upgrade to (fairly easily) that would be stronger, but still IFS?

They are for sale on the JeepinByAl site for 150 or so. They look like dead ringers for the JKS discos.

tommudd · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:05 am

The steering knuckle extension of JeepinAls lift, our front diff, and available lower gear ratios are all problems it seems at least thats my opinion

wendell · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:16 pm

Personally I believe in the old saying, run what you brung. Instead of converting a kj to a sfa, might as well just start with a wrangler and be done with it as they come in 4dr's now, or buy an xj. Liberty's are liberty's and should be respected for what they are and not try and make them something they are not.

Guest · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:31 pm

Can the knuckle extention be welded in? Wouldn't that make it a bit less troublesome? I know it's designed as a bolt in kit, but if the owner decided to make that mod, wouldn't that make it more secure?

hyedipin · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 10:20 am **Posts:** 1667

Maybe I need to replace mine, look at all that rust!

tommudd · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:05 pm

Just paint them then no rust Hyedipin

wendall, as far as not doing an SFA on a Liberty and buying a TJ/ or even the new/any Wrangler WHAT FUN IS THAT?

Anybody with a credit card can go out and buy whatever they need to make a Wrangler a great mall crawler, doesnt take anyone to be very smart, just money! Thats why you see so many with lifts/wheels and never been off the road! Also go over to ROF ( Rubicons Owners Forum) and see how many of them keep the Rubicons stock, alot change out the axles, suspension, etc, so why not do it to the Liberty as well? Whats the difference?

Tom said that :wink:

JeepinbyAl · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:08 pm

KJpilot wrote:

Can the knuckle extention be welded in? Wouldn't that make it a bit less troublesome? I know it's designed as a bolt in kit, but if the owner decided to make that mod, wouldn't that make it more secure?

Yes, It can be welded, I am tying to make all the parts that we can grow into them. Bolt it in first, try it. If you want it stronger, then weld it in! If you can't weld, bolt it on, drive to a weld shop and let them finish the job. (30 min to 1 hour to weld in the parts)

tommudd · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:20 pm

mmmmm interesting

JeepinbyAl · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:24 pm

Larry R. wrote:

Hey JeepinbyAl, how does that extension attach onto the knuckle? The ball-joint bore?

It is all custom machined to bolt in, take out the factory a-arms, bolt in the Gen 4 arms, clean up the steering knuckle drop in the extension tork it in and drop in the ball joint stud and tork it down. You are ready for the next step. Yes, it can be welded If you would like.

wendell · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:36 pm

I just think it would be more interesting to do the same things with a liberty as they do with a wrangler. We allready have a bad rep from jp mag because of our ifs, thats like telling them that they are right to swap to a sfa. It's like saying the lib is junk, the wrangler is the only true jeep. Push the kj's ifs to the extreme. With my ranger, Dixion Brothers racing as developed a lift kit that makes the ifs stronger than a sfa, it's a bit pricey at 3,500.00$. They race what they sell, instaed of swapping out the ranger ifs, they took it to extremes to make it even better than a sfa. It seems it would be more impressive to do the same with the liberty.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:39 pm

JeepinbyAl wrote:

KJpilot wrote:

Can the knuckle extention be welded in? Wouldn't that make it a bit less troublesome? I know it's designed as a bolt in kit, but if the owner decided to make that mod, wouldn't that make it more secure?

Yes, It can be welded, I am tying to make all the parts that we can grow into them. Bolt it in first, try it. If you want it stronger, then weld it in! If you can't weld, bolt it on, drive to a weld shop and let them finish the job. (30 min to 1 hour to weld in the parts)

Just some reading on welding cast iron---http://www.lincolnelectric.com/knowledge/articles/content/castironpreheat.asp---most places won't do it and if they do it cost's a arm and a leg for the safety factor.You'll probally have a very hard time finding a place to weld that extension to the cast knuckle just for the liability issue.

tommudd · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:53 pm

Yes just off the phone with my Uncle to see how feasible it would be to weld that, welder for 30 plus years in the coal mining strip pits, his statement "You want to do what then drive it on the highway, well wait till I get home, and dont ask me to do it! " :lol:

I already knew what he would say just needed to hear him yell it!! :wink:

Tom

jerbacher · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:57 pm

I thought you were supposed to be working around this time Tom... Oh wait, I am too!! :lol:

JeepinbyAl · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:04 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

JeepinbyAl wrote:

KJpilot wrote:

Can the knuckle extention be welded in? Wouldn't that make it a bit less troublesome? I know it's designed as a bolt in kit, but if the owner decided to make that mod, wouldn't that make it more secure?

Yes, It can be welded, I am tying to make all the parts that we can grow into them. Bolt it in first, try it. If you want it stronger, then weld it in! If you can't weld, bolt it on, drive to a weld shop and let them finish the job. (30 min to 1 hour to weld in the parts)

Just some reading on welding cast iron---http://www.lincolnelectric.com/knowledge/articles/content/castironpreheat.asp---most places won't do it and if they do it cost's a arm and a leg for the safety factor.You'll probally have a very hard time finding a place to weld that extension to the cast knuckle just for the liability issue.

You need to see the design to understand the weld is just a safety measure, the way it bolts in, The bolt is taking all the stress. I ran a 1" TIG weld on the head of the bolt, Just because I could.

tommudd · **Posted:** Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:20 pm

OK will wait for more info or you can just send me a full kit for evaluation purposes over the next 30 days! :wink:

I average about 2500/3000 road miles and hitting Daniel Boone National forest for 3 days so good test! :lol:

Tom

JeepinbyAl · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:23 pm

tommudd wrote:

FIRST Thanks Marlin for posting that picture!
Of course you know by now a lot of us have been around long enough to see some of the kits come out that promised one thing but all they did was to take someones money. So in talking and making comments on here we are not downing your kit only trying to fiqure out what you have done differently and IF IT WILL WORK. So again Thanks for the picture. Please keep us updated as it comes closer to coming out.
To FastTRX, I am with you, two things would keep me from buying the kit, first the front diff, if it is strong enough for 33s all the time and also gearing, 4.10s will never get it with me and 33s, yes it could be done but I would really want something lower.

Tommudd
In the last 4 months, I disassemble the front suspension of my liberty more than 10 times before it worked very well. The rear suspension is on its 4 revision on the Y link. I have still one more idea I want to try. Two weeks ago Dan from Jeff Daniels Customizing took my KJ for a test ride on the roads out behind there shop. He was very impressed with the handling and the ride. When he parked the jeep he gave me a big grin and a hand shake and said “you did it! If someone wants to take there liberty up 6” you got the ticket.”

Dan did some work on this KJ when Al owned it. He knows what it was and what it is today.

Do not take my word, call or email Dan at Jeff Daniels Jeep Customizing.

495 Indian Creek Road
Harleysville, PA. 19438
215-256-8090

I do not want to take anyone’s money, if you do not want to give it to me, I did not do my job in making a quality lift at a reasonable price.

My goal is to take the Jeep Liberty to new heights!

As for the lower gears I have 4.56s if you would like. http://jeepinbyal.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=16

tommudd · **Posted:** Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:41 pm

Marlin, I didnt think anyone made lower than 4.10s gears for our front diff? Are you sure they will work? Just asking only way to find out ya know!! :wink:

Tom

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