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You have a liberty with a NV241 nonHD
OK if you say so
you also have the only production KJ with 4 to 1 low range as the ONLY info I have ever read states
that the NV241 is the rock track and is offered ONLY in the Rubicon


OH and you must not be reading my posts
I just posted that link


Jason I agree with you on this one...hooperswish, wwhatever your takin/smokin must be good...not one of yall have a NV241 tcase under a KJ UNLESS there was a swap :roll: Bottom line, stop debatin it cause your wrong just admit it. My Rubi is the ONLY jeep in production with the NV241 tcase 4:1 geared...oh and hooperswish, if you are tired of us baggin on you then post up a pic of your tcase to us...surprised you aint done it yet...wonder why :lol:

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kj in a tight spot wrote:
jason thompson wrote:
I know I said I was done but I can not help my self
You have a liberty with a NV241 nonHD
OK if you say so
you also have the only production KJ with 4 to 1 low range as the ONLY info I have ever read states
that the NV241 is the rock track and is offered ONLY in the Rubicon


OH and you must not be reading my posts
I just posted that link


Jason I agree with you on this one...hooperswish, wwhatever your takin/smokin must be good...not one of yall have a NV241 tcase under a KJ UNLESS there was a swap :roll: Bottom line, stop debatin it cause your wrong just admit it. My Rubi is the ONLY jeep in production with the NV241 tcase 4:1 geared...oh and hooperswish, if you are tired of us baggin on you then post up a pic of your tcase to us...surprised you aint done it yet...wonder why :lol:
x2 on agreeing.

You may have a mislabeled 231HD t-case,those where put in some KJ's.The 231HD and the 241 are some what similar.As far as my knowledge and research(though I'm pretty computer dumb) no Jeep ever came with the 241 or 241HD,not until '03 when the 241J(RockTrac) came out was the 241 series ever offered on a Jeep,and then only for the Rubicons.


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No, you have the nv241 heavy duty transfer case. Crawl under your rig and check it out on the tag. It holds 4.2 pints of fluid, which is quite a bit more than the other diffs-which has gotta be a good thing.


I just did, and I do have that case. Awesome :twisted: Anyone know "what % stronger" it is than a 231? I realize thats pretty arbitrary but I like to know these things.


Boy, thejawsofdeath must be smokin the same stuff as me. The only problem is, I don't do drugs. I do tip down a few beers on occasion...

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hooperswish wrote:
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No, you have the nv241 heavy duty transfer case. Crawl under your rig and check it out on the tag. It holds 4.2 pints of fluid, which is quite a bit more than the other diffs-which has gotta be a good thing.


I just did, and I do have that case. Awesome :twisted: Anyone know "what % stronger" it is than a 231? I realize thats pretty arbitrary but I like to know these things.


Boy, thejawsofdeath must be smokin the same stuff as me. The only problem is, I don't do drugs. I do tip down a few beers on occasion...


I'm not saying that everyone else is wrong. I am however saying that if both of us just went under our jeeps, looked at the xfer cases, we both have 241J's and NSG370 6-speeds, thats a hell of a coincidence for both of our cases to be actually mislabeled. I'm going to take a picture of the tag on my case today after work and post it here, or maybe you could do it sooner than that, to prove that we're not smoking crack.

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I'm crawling under my wife's when I get home. If her leased has that t-case, they are getting it back with a 231

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OK take the picture
dont forget to take one of the pto port
as the 241 HD that yall had at the begening of the post has one


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jason thompson wrote:
OK take the picture
dont forget to take one of the pto port
as the 241 HD that yall had at the begening of the post has one


Still waitin on the pics...I still cant believe that yall think you got a 4:1 under your KJ :lol:

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OK this is getting dumb
I simply went to the MFG.s web page and got a list of all the T-cases they make

you decided wich one you have
http://newventuregear.com/tcases.html


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jason thompson wrote:
OK this is getting dumb
I simply went to the MFG.s web page and got a list of all the T-cases they make

you decided wich one you have
http://newventuregear.com/tcases.html


They prolly got under the KJ and then the "Oh stinky poo" look came over the face when they realized their mistake :shock: :lol:

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If you go to :

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:KN2 ... ent=safari

then click on the pdf file on the top of the page, you will get an official 2007 jeep liberty brochure. On page 4, near the bottom you will see the available transfer cases. command trac 241. That is it. Knock yourself out.

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hooperswish wrote:
If you go to :

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:KN2 ... ent=safari

then click on the pdf file on the top of the page, you will get an official 2007 jeep liberty brochure. On page 4, near the bottom you will see the available transfer cases. command trac 241. That is it. Knock yourself out.


So you just proved our point, thank you. Never said I had a 241HD under my Jeep, just that it was an NV241. I don't see why you had to get all butt hurt about it and say "thats it, knock yourself out" like we're a couple of idiots. We looked under our jeeps, saw what kind of xfer case we had, you said we must be wrong/crazy, and then post a link that says that KJ's with an nsg370 do in fact have an NV241 transfer case. way to go.

by the way I didnt look under my jeep and see a 231 and get scared and not post a picture. some people have to work late, and get off when its dark. I'm tired, and besides that link that you posted just supports what that picture would have shown.

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Hey jawsofdeath, I posted that site....we are on the same team! The knock yourself out post was directed at the few posters who are raggin on me/us and basically calling us liars. We never said we had 4:1 raios, or a rocktrax rubicon....all I said was that our case is different and holds more fluid.
AND, yes I did take pics. They are on my computer at work. And if I ever figure out how to post them, I will early next week.
I also started a post in general discussions that asks which case other owners have. As for me, I am sick of being bashed around about this. I always try to be a courteous poster, but unfortunately don't always receive the same respect in return.
Take care jawsofdeath, and enjoy that awesome transfer case that you can only get with the manuals...
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Look guys you have both found 1 article that supports your claim
I have found several to dispute it
I would be happy to "eat crow" if you post a picture

I think that you either dont realy know what to look at or dont have a 241
as the several different post that I have put up ,1 of wich is a link to the MFG's web page,
states NV only makes 2 T-cases with the numbers 2,4, and 1 in that order
we know for a fact that the rubicon comes with a 241 so that eliminates 1 of the 2
we also know that the 241 HD comes in the 3/4 and 1 ton dodge pu's so that is the other
I am quite sure that if they made a third they would list it on their site


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hooperswish wrote:
Hey jawsofdeath, I posted that site....we are on the same team! The knock yourself out post was directed at the few posters who are raggin on me/us and basically calling us liars. We never said we had 4:1 raios, or a rocktrax rubicon....all I said was that our case is different and holds more fluid.
AND, yes I did take pics. They are on my computer at work. And if I ever figure out how to post them, I will early next week.
I also started a post in general discussions that asks which case other owners have. As for me, I am sick of being bashed around about this. I always try to be a courteous poster, but unfortunately don't always receive the same respect in return.
Take care jawsofdeath, and enjoy that awesome transfer case that you can only get with the manuals...
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I didnt mean to jump on you, got confused. I thought you were someone else basically...didnt mean to bite your head off, friend!

Anyway, some proof.

My 2006 KJ...(that oil spot is not from me)
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...with a 6-speed...
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...and a 241J transfer case...
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Imagine that.

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Yea jawsofdeath, my tag looks just like that. Nice pics, nice proof,etc. etc. Good job. No one is posting on the topic in general discussions. I guess us manual owners are truly rare. I sure like mine...take care. :D

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OK so you have a
NEW PROCESS or NP241J as in what I posted way back that they do in fact make one and that they are RARE
but are found in jeeps
you still DO NOT HAVE a NEW VENTURE or NV241

as I said befor READ WHAT I POST


coppied from my post
note that I keep saying NV and not NP
guys I know this crap if you claim NV YOU ARE WRONG
like I said you realy did not know until you looked and still had it wrong

Best I could do for info on the NP241
Starting in about 1987, the New Process 231/241 series transfer case became standard in Jeep, Dodge, and Chevrolet applications. These transfer cases are part time 4WD (Shift positions 4HI - 2HI - N - 4L). They have a relatively thin aluminum housing. They are 1:1 direct drive in high range, and use planetary reduction gears for low range with a ratio of 2.72:1 They use chain drive for the front output. The NP241 was typically used in V8 applications.
Exact identification:

These New Process cases have a circular plate, about 2" in dia., on the rear of the case, in the center. Full identification info for the case is on this plate

Bolt Pattern:

Jeep, Dodge and Chevy versions all use a 6 bolt circular bolt pattern. This pattern is NOT symmetrical and will only bolt up one way. You can typically bolt a Jeep unit to a Dodge transmission and vice versa, however Chevrolet units are NOT cross compatible: While GM uses the same 6 bolt patter, they have it rotate approximately 90 degrees from that used by jeep dodge.


READ THE LAST LINE IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH


now from what I read the 2 companies merged some time back
this too is in my post as it list NP/NV as case options
I could be a real butt and go through all the posts where you said NV241 and not once said NP241J ,I was the
one who brought the NP241 into this but my info said V8 applications and GM at that but jeep was mentioned
I did some more reading and they are listed as "rare and not wirth looking for to swap in the place of your 231"
the reasons were simple "MAY not work with most SYE kits" and "if you want 4 to 1 low range you need a 231"
I dont know why but what I read
I can probably find it and coppie it if I need to

If you want to argue with me you should first know what you are arguing over
OH and just for a laugh the link you posted with the info about the liberty
was wrong as well they to list New Venture or NV but you posted a pic of a New Process or NP T-case
kinda funny I did not even have on to look at and knew that there was no way you had a NEW VENTURE t-case

OK my head swelling is over now


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jason thompson wrote:
OK so you have a
NEW PROCESS or NP241J as in what I posted way back that they do in fact make one and that they are RARE
but are found in jeeps
you still DO NOT HAVE a NEW VENTURE or NV241

as I said befor READ WHAT I POST


coppied from my post
note that I keep saying NV and not NP
guys I know this crap if you claim NV YOU ARE WRONG
like I said you realy did not know until you looked and still had it wrong

Best I could do for info on the NP241
Starting in about 1987, the New Process 231/241 series transfer case became standard in Jeep, Dodge, and Chevrolet applications. These transfer cases are part time 4WD (Shift positions 4HI - 2HI - N - 4L). They have a relatively thin aluminum housing. They are 1:1 direct drive in high range, and use planetary reduction gears for low range with a ratio of 2.72:1 They use chain drive for the front output. The NP241 was typically used in V8 applications.
Exact identification:

These New Process cases have a circular plate, about 2" in dia., on the rear of the case, in the center. Full identification info for the case is on this plate

Bolt Pattern:

Jeep, Dodge and Chevy versions all use a 6 bolt circular bolt pattern. This pattern is NOT symmetrical and will only bolt up one way. You can typically bolt a Jeep unit to a Dodge transmission and vice versa, however Chevrolet units are NOT cross compatible: While GM uses the same 6 bolt patter, they have it rotate approximately 90 degrees from that used by jeep dodge.


READ THE LAST LINE IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH


now from what I read the 2 companies merged some time back
this too is in my post as it list NP/NV as case options
I could be a real butt and go through all the posts where you said NV241 and not once said NP241J ,I was the
one who brought the NP241 into this but my info said V8 applications and GM at that but jeep was mentioned
I did some more reading and they are listed as "rare and not wirth looking for to swap in the place of your 231"
the reasons were simple "MAY not work with most SYE kits" and "if you want 4 to 1 low range you need a 231"
I dont know why but what I read
I can probably find it and coppie it if I need to

If you want to argue with me you should first know what you are arguing over
OH and just for a laugh the link you posted with the info about the liberty
was wrong as well they to list New Venture or NV but you posted a pic of a New Process or NP T-case
kinda funny I did not even have on to look at and knew that there was no way you had a NEW VENTURE t-case

OK my head swelling is over now


Well I must say Jason, this would make some sense. There is no way that I thought it was a rocktrax like found in the rubicon. It is a command trac 2.72:1 ratio, so this adds up as well. The info about it being NV is straight from jeep. Since they merged, they must feel that calling it an nv is o.k. My original post point was that our cases hold more fluid and how that has to be good. And since their original application was for v8's, it assures me that these cases are of a heavier duty variety than the 231's. If not, why would jeep even bother...I am sure you will disagree with this though....whatever, you just could not believe our cases were 241's. I felt like I was on trial...
You might want to learn a little about humility....a little goes a long way. But I am glad your head swelling has gone down and you finally figured it out.
But to get back to the origins of the topic, the best part about wheelin with a liberty manual is, while the autos get by with the 3.7 6 cylynder, we get a V8 :P

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So is stalling that big of an issue with a standard trans while wheeling that an automatic makes a world of difference? Or does it just come down to preference, and those who prefer automatics say so because they know they dont stall and people who like standards say so because they think it is more fun to drive the car that way?

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Otto wrote:
So is stalling that big of an issue with a standard trans while wheeling that an automatic makes a world of difference? Or does it just come down to preference, and those who prefer automatics say so because they know they dont stall and people who like standards say so because they think it is more fun to drive the car that way?


I think that as you said, stalling is the big issue. It is very nice that the libertys have the clutch defeat, where you do not have to depress the clutch to start after stalling. It seems to me that stalling would be pretty difficult to do, as the 4 lo gearing is pretty low. But when you need to stop, having to push in the clutch to keep from stalling is just one more thing you have to do when you are in a hairy situation and the adrenaline is flowing,which can tax the situation a little more...
BTW are you familiar with redcone? That is one hairy trail...

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