T&T CUSTOMS INTERESTED IN LIBERTY!

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:13 pm

The rear of the kj doesnt have a trac bar nolakj... :wink:

Mutt · **Posted:** Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:22 pm

nolakj wrote:

9. I've seen people ask for an adjustable tri-link.

Hopefully by October 1st, be patient.

nolakj · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:23 am

Jeepjeepster wrote:

The rear of the kj doesnt have a trac bar nolakj... :wink:

Sway bar then?? Not sure what it is called but I know it can be disco'd. Disco it without a bunch of tools....now we're talkin' a marketable mod.

Articus · **Posted:** Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:13 pm

I am glad to see a new vendor looking into the KJ market. Over the past few years most of what I want has become available. Here is my list of items that still need to be made.

IFS Lift that will allow 33" tires
Diff that will support those 33" tires
Bigger/wider flares
Shock Mount Skids(Thanks for the reminder nolakj)
OBA setup that doesn't require mounting in the interior(compressor/tank..tank doesn't need to be big..possibly fit under a skid somewhere)
Rear Bumper/Tire Carrier(I know some are in the works)

CarNutCertifies · **Posted:** Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:06 am

Articus--saw a post on here the other day for OBA that was in the winch, i would think that a small 2-3 gal tank could be mounted under the seat with little trouble. or even one of those that the low rider crowds are using, They have been using small compact tanks and air setups for years now alot of these will fit on the inner fenders and tanks are cheap and can be bought in various sizes, Truckin magazine has tons of this stuff...shouldn't be to hard to piece an air system together that is tucked up tight out of the way and plumbed for air supply on all sides.

Hey for my two cents I think what TnT is doing is great everyone just needs to stop the whinning. Now if i can just get the wife to quit making plans on selling my KJ and buying a......mini cooper......i get a tear in my eye and a lump forms in my throat everytime i think about it......

NU ARTY BOY · **Posted:** Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:58 am

Don't do it!!! The KJ might not be great on gas but you won't have to worry about walking away from a serious vehicle accident.

Troysterr · **Posted:** Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:24 am

nolakj wrote:

Sway bar then?? Not sure what it is called but I know it can be disco'd. Disco it without a bunch of tools....now we're talkin' a marketable mod.

There's no need for a product to disconnect and reconnect the rear sway bar. Just take it off and leave it off. There's no noticeable difference. I've had mine off for a couple of years, as have many other LOST members.

macgyver · **Posted:** Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:48 pm

fdezone wrote:

Just Y-Link arms like those offered by T&T or Rusty's run around $800-$900. Due to room concerns, I would say you'd have to go with coilovers which could run anywhere from $500-$600 and up. Add the fact that you would need to aquire a steering box, steering shaft, front axle, now add the bracketry and installation, and you've just alienated the majority. Nevermind the fact that you haven't even addressed the rear end. It would turn into a one-off, custom install like Wally's running $10K. I would venture to say that a kit over $3K would be detrimental for sales. Can you understand where I'm coming from? As far as leaves riding horribly, my eighty-something Grand Wagoneer rode like a champ and flexed better than a KJ.

Just a quick note..... I don't see a bolt on SFA swap in anyones' future. Considering the parts alone would run WAY over $3,000......... Wally's SFA KJ has been working great and we have decided that more will probably be built, but there are still a few things that need to be addressed and there were a lot of hand made parts on Wally's KJ. Considering coil overs will eat up $700, steering will eat up $400, plus all the suspension parts for the front and rear, you are looking at a lot of money. This type of swap and cheap don't go together. Sure we could have left the Rock Trac t-case or the ARB lockers off of Wally's rig to save money. But that is not what Wally wanted.

We are getting ready to build JJ's KJ this fall or winter. His should go a lot faster than Wally's. To date we have had 3 serious inquiries. All J will continue to build the SFA swaps as custom. If TNT customs does come out with a kit, GREAT. I hope they let us know! I'm sure we would install a ton of them.

Also the cost of Jeep build-ups keep coming up..... Just a TJ long arm suspension on a Wrangler will run you $5500 to $7000 installed. To fully build a TJ you can easilt spend over $18,000 grand using stock axles! OBA, Lockers, gears, winch, roll cage, bumpers, rockers, skids, etc. It adds up and it ain't cheap.

USAFCOP · **Posted:** Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:44 pm

C'mon Quinn...

JJ's, he aint worth it, no matter what he pays ya... You guys need to tell the California boys to quit hogging the limelight :twisted:

JJ is just a copy cat of Wally...

LOL

fdezone · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:05 am

macgyver wrote:

Just a quick note..... I don't see a bolt on SFA swap in anyones' future. Considering the parts alone would run WAY over $3,000......... Wally's SFA KJ has been working great and we have decided that more will probably be built, but there are still a few things that need to be addressed and there were a lot of hand made parts on Wally's KJ. Considering coil overs will eat up $700, steering will eat up $400, plus all the suspension parts for the front and rear, you are looking at a lot of money. This type of swap and cheap don't go together.

I would agree with Quinn there! That's why I believe it should be a leaf sprung SAS. It'll really keep the cost down. No it wouldn't be better than coils or coilovers, but it would be better than "our" current IFS. The majority of SFA swaps offered for other Makes are leaf sprung, simple kits that include leaf springs, perches, hangers and shackles. That's it, cheap stuff, nothing extravagant! We unfortunately, would also have to address the steering issue. Listen, nothing to correct the Liberty's shortcomings will be cheap. Even a well developed IFS kit will be costly, especially when taking into account that the front diff would also need to be replaced. You can't keep the swap reasonably priced and within the reach of the masses if you're asking for a tricked out ProRock60 with Sway-A-Way this, Fox that, long arms, Y-links, hydraulic bump stops, etc. You're dreaming, put the mag down and get with reality!

macgyver wrote:

To fully build a TJ you can easilt spend over $18,000 grand using stock axles! OBA, Lockers, gears, winch, roll cage, bumpers, rockers, skids, etc. It adds up and it ain't cheap.

I agree with you there too! That's exactly why most folks, including myself, would not spend 10-12K on the lift alone. We're not rich, we're not competitors, and we don't have sponsors. I'm just a schmuck trying to keep up with the Jones's. Even if I did have that kind of money and my goal was to build a hardcore crawler I think I'd be safe to say that I'd have gone with a totally different vehicle. I know I'll never get back what I've put into my vehicles "over time", but good Lord! The other thing too is that you can build a TJ in stages, you don't have to dump a ton of money all at once. That's not the case with a SAS. I'm just trying to say, be weary of anyone who tries to tell you different. Everyone loves Wally's SAS. It really looks like your shop has done an outstanding job. And yet, to date you've only had "3 serious inquiries." Nuff said.

TheChucklesStart · **Posted:** Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:32 pm

What about a gearing down between the wheel and the axle that also drops the tire to give it more lift. Sort of like what hummers do.

That would eliminate the need to replace the diff (it would see similar stresses as it does to day if you put 35" tires and a 1.3 ratio in the hub).

The CV boots would be less likely to be torn because they would be higher up. Also, if you put the gearing down past the brakes, you might not even need a brake upgrade (although you would probably cover this just in extra design for the gearing down hub.

The steering would need an upgrade probably and we wouldn't get any more flex, but the tires would help when deflated.

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