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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 12:10 am 
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We are still at using the Dayster if you want to save a few bucks with a spacer lift and can trust your stock components, or one of the OME-based spring lifts for the best performance.


Glad we made that revelation, too


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what the heck does OTT stand for????


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what the heck does OTT stand for????


You do not want to know it is a bad way to lift a Liberty period!
It consists of basicall a 2.5 inch plates that set on top of the strut assembly to give you lift, do not even think of going this route
If you want to lift there are lots of ggod ways , this is bad !!

PERIOD end of discussion :lol:

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koreyd wrote:
what the heck does OTT stand for????


You do not want to know it is a bad way to lift a Liberty period!
It consists of basicall a 2.5 inch plates that set on top of the strut assembly to give you lift, do not even think of going this route
If you want to lift there are lots of good ways , this is bad !!

PERIOD end of discussion :lol:



Don't scare him too bad. LOL!!! It's not as scary as he says, if you insist on an OTT lift your Liberty will not blow up at the mere sight of that little innocent steel spacer, but the OTT lift is not a great way to lift. But, if you have allready bought or installed one, it can be made to work by using longer front bumpstops. If you read through this entire thread, you can see why there are better options.

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no i have plans to do a full spring lift i was just wondering what the acronym OTT stood for.


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And therefore thats why I wanted to post this info. For people to not summarily dismiss what for their needs could work. I simply get a little irritated at the response someone new gets when they mention X-brand's lift and members here give an automated near angry response of "junk" "trash" etc. and tell the poster they are dumb for not searching when asked why it is so that said lift is worthless. Instead, as much as we all hate or get irritated at newbie questions, we should give guidance and offer solutions or fixes to those who may allready have these lifts. When someone posts they want, or have already bought say a RRO, Teraflex, or Rusty's kit, instead of telling them they wasted they're money and they are stupid for doing or thinking so, we should offer our help.

Cause when it was I who went searching for lift advice, don't you know I received more negative responses and outright hate filled oppinions than useful info. And when I used the search function for my research, It was extremely hard to find real, good to honest helpful information. All lift threads went pretty much like this (somewhat paraphrased of course) with just a couple of rare exceptions:



(OP--"Hey, I'm looking at X-brand of lift. How does it work, anything I need to know, really just want to fit bigger tires, don't do much offroad" etc.)
(response--Junk piece of crap, won't give one to my worst enemy. OME OME OME OME or, at the very least, get a full spring kit don't buy anything else etc. etc.)

(OP--why is that what is wrong with the lift I want to buy to save money. I don't have $600-$800 to spend)
(response--believe us, we are the experts,if you are looking to save money, you bought the wrong vehicle, in the wrong sport and shouldn't lift it in the 1st place) (if you really want to know, just use the search function here and you will find everything you need to know)


Now, looking at it this way, can't you guys see how inconsiderate it can seem to those who are just wanting to learn more about their Liberty's??? Most will not get as involved and research into the "reasons" as I have. I don't like the "just because, trust us" answer. I want to know the mechanics behind it all and why.


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I agree whole heartedly.

Thanks 2mopar_diesels for doing real research instead of just talking to "internet forum trolls". I for one like real facts and research over hear say and speculation. Thanks!

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:oops: X2 on not being to hard on the newbee, I was one once. As were most of us at some point, I guess.

Except for Tommudd, he was born with an OME coil in his hands. :-)r





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Does anyone know WHY skyjacker went to those weak springs?

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what the heck does OTT stand for????


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 10:23 pm 
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Spoil sport :-)r

Does anyone know WHY skyjacker went to those weak springs?


Probably because of tender butts. the old ones are STIFF


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But stiffer is better!

I like the ride of mine with the new parts on it, and I know the spring rate of the front is stiffer than the stockers were.

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That's what she said!

Oh, yeah...and yeah, mine is 1,000x better with the OME HDs/Skyjackers than it was before.


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This board is a place for learning and the best way to learn is to ask question or just try it out fro your self. By asking questions, you can save your self a lot of time and possibly pain and money because some one on here has probably had the same idea and tried it out. Also, for those people that cause trouble, they do get contacted...Us mods and admins are every were.... well almost (I don't dare step foot in to the CRD section :shock: )


My point is, there is a bunch of info on here and if some one took the time just to look first, a lot of answer would be self answered.... How ever it is always cool to post a question because our search sucks in my opinion. There will always be threads like this in tell the day all of the KJ's are gone, and even then some one will still bring up the location of the spare on the KK and set off another 12 page topic....


To end, I'm sorry that you feel as thought you must leave and wish you good luck. Every person is entitled to their opinion.....

ok I'm done


I thought your KK was a CRD? :lol:

I like being able to come to this site, and read on almost any topic I would never want to care about. I live through your guys' mods. I know I will never be able to afford a "Frankenlift" or anything of that nature. Well, not with the way things are going. The POTUS would have to pull the economy out of the pooper before I will be able to do this.

I do have one question though.
What is this OTT thing, a lift? What are you lifting?
















:lol: just kidding sry.

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2mopar_diesels wrote:
And therefore thats why I wanted to post this info. For people to not summarily dismiss what for their needs could work. I simply get a little irritated at the response someone new gets when they mention X-brand's lift and members here give an automated near angry response of "junk" "trash" etc. and tell the poster they are dumb for not searching when asked why it is so that said lift is worthless. Instead, as much as we all hate or get irritated at newbie questions, we should give guidance and offer solutions or fixes to those who may allready have these lifts. When someone posts they want, or have already bought say a RRO, Teraflex, or Rusty's kit, instead of telling them they wasted they're money and they are stupid for doing or thinking so, we should offer our help.

Cause when it was I who went searching for lift advice, don't you know I received more negative responses and outright hate filled oppinions than useful info. And when I used the search function for my research, It was extremely hard to find real, good to honest helpful information. All lift threads went pretty much like this (somewhat paraphrased of course) with just a couple of rare exceptions:



(OP--"Hey, I'm looking at X-brand of lift. How does it work, anything I need to know, really just want to fit bigger tires, don't do much offroad" etc.)
(response--Junk piece of crap, won't give one to my worst enemy. OME OME OME OME or, at the very least, get a full spring kit don't buy anything else etc. etc.)

(OP--why is that what is wrong with the lift I want to buy to save money. I don't have $600-$800 to spend)
(response--believe us, we are the experts,if you are looking to save money, you bought the wrong vehicle, in the wrong sport and shouldn't lift it in the 1st place) (if you really want to know, just use the search function here and you will find everything you need to know)


Now, looking at it this way, can't you guys see how inconsiderate it can seem to those who are just wanting to learn more about their Liberty's??? Most will not get as involved and research into the "reasons" as I have. I don't like the "just because, trust us" answer. I want to know the mechanics behind it all and why.


x2

I agree whole heartedly.

Thanks 2mopar_diesels for doing real research instead of just talking to "internet forum trolls". I for one like real facts and research over hear say and speculation. Thanks!


I have a hard time sitting back and reading such good discussion

I guess I missed a lot today, and WHY did I miss out on all of the stuff, because I was helping another member install a new lift and JBA arms instead of talking on the forum

Actions speak louder than words my friend

If every one did more to help others instead of finding faults which are based on untruths it sure would be a better world

Internet Forum Trolls is that your new term for people who contribute nothing at all but bash those that do contribute life long knowledge and experience
Real facts and research which is supposedly better than real life experience and actually testing lots of various lifts etc your self for over 30 years.

This is fun, I am enjoying this game

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Now that he mentions it

Tom kinda resembles a troll :lol:


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Now that he mentions it

Tom kinda resembles a troll :lol:


Thanks and you did not even get to see me with my little Troll hat and my litle Troll suit on!

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Spoil sport :-)r

Does anyone know WHY skyjacker went to those weak springs?


Probably because of tender butts. the old ones are STIFF
Actually SkyJacker went to the softride coils due to complaints about UCA/UBJ failures due to getting over 3.5" of lift with the original coils.


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Spoil sport :-)r

Does anyone know WHY skyjacker went to those weak springs?


Probably because of tender butts. the old ones are STIFF
Actually SkyJacker went to the softride coils due to complaints about UCA/UBJ failures due to getting over 3.5" of lift with the original coils.


But I like mine stiff. I want to feel the road. And I don't feel like I am going to tip over while turning.

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