TrailReady UPDATE ***WITH PICS ***

0311_DoC · **Posted:** Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:19 pm

im gonna post pics of my disaster in a few mins...stand by

GregScuba · **Posted:** Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:31 pm

where are the pics? Did you get carried away and hack even more away?

0311_DoC · **Posted:** Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:43 pm

ok here is the link to my photobucket page its easier then posting them all. And dont kill me about my rattle can job. I hated the black :roll:

http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee236/0311_DoC_FMF/?start=0&mediafilter=images

0311_DoC · **Posted:** Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:49 pm

Also as I mentioned I spoke to Larry twice today about my bumper and fitment issues. He told me cut the tabs as it would be cheaper, then to send it back and then to find a local welder to fab and re weld the proper size tabs for the aux lights. he also said as i had mentioned that their test vehicle didnt have any holes in the grill or fogs. So since I have already cut the tabs off for the aux lights, hacked away at my sheet metal and pretty much destoyed my washer bottle getting it out. I am at a loss. The C channels don't hug the unibody for a snug fit or a proper fit. I think if i could some how heat the the c channels and then place them on the uni body maybe they would form correctly??? and then there is the issue of the gap between the bumper and the flares. the light is bigger then the gap. so at this point I would probably have to get 02-04 fenders and flares to make it work.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:59 pm

0311_DoC wrote:

Also as I mentioned I spoke to Larry twice today about my bumper and fitment issues. He told me cut the tabs as it would be cheaper, then to send it back and then to find a local welder to fab and re weld the proper size tabs for the aux lights. he also said as i had mentioned that their test vehicle didnt have any holes in the grill or fogs. So since I have already cut the tabs off for the aux lights, hacked away at my sheet metal and pretty much destoyed my washer bottle getting it out. I am at a loss. The C channels don't hug the unibody for a snug fit or a proper fit. I think if i could some how heat the the c channels and then place them on the uni body maybe they would form correctly??? and then there is the issue of the gap between the bumper and the flares. the light is bigger then the gap. so at this point I would probably have to get 02-04 fenders and flares to make it work.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude if I was you I would send it back on there dime and demand a full refund+shipping then get a reinbursment for getting the areas you cut off to be fixed since you could not properly fit the bumber without cutting those areas off in the first place.Just what I would do.

Guest · **Posted:** Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:11 pm

0311_DoC wrote:

Also as I mentioned I spoke to Larry twice today about my bumper and fitment issues. He told me cut the tabs as it would be cheaper, then to send it back and then to find a local welder to fab and re weld the proper size tabs for the aux lights. he also said as i had mentioned that their test vehicle didnt have any holes in the grill or fogs. So since I have already cut the tabs off for the aux lights, hacked away at my sheet metal and pretty much destoyed my washer bottle getting it out. I am at a loss. The C channels don't hug the unibody for a snug fit or a proper fit. I think if i could some how heat the the c channels and then place them on the uni body maybe they would form correctly??? and then there is the issue of the gap between the bumper and the flares. the light is bigger then the gap. so at this point I would probably have to get 02-04 fenders and flares to make it work.

Yeah, it'd be cheaper for THEM for YOU to do that..but why would YOU pay to ship it to them to fix it?

Man, I'd be hot right about now...

0311_DoC · **Posted:** Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:16 pm

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

0311_DoC wrote:

Also as I mentioned I spoke to Larry twice today about my bumper and fitment issues. He told me cut the tabs as it would be cheaper, then to send it back and then to find a local welder to fab and re weld the proper size tabs for the aux lights. he also said as i had mentioned that their test vehicle didnt have any holes in the grill or fogs. So since I have already cut the tabs off for the aux lights, hacked away at my sheet metal and pretty much destoyed my washer bottle getting it out. I am at a loss. The C channels don't hug the unibody for a snug fit or a proper fit. I think if i could some how heat the the c channels and then place them on the uni body maybe they would form correctly??? and then there is the issue of the gap between the bumper and the flares. the light is bigger then the gap. so at this point I would probably have to get 02-04 fenders and flares to make it work.

Yeah, it'd be cheaper for THEM for YOU to do that..but why would YOU pay to ship it to them to fix it?

Man, I'd be hot right about now...

Im beyond HOT... I was so excited about installing this thing today. and now my KJ is hacked up, and still no bumper. I emailed them as well but by the time all was said and done it was 5PM and they were closed and of course its Friday. So now I have to wait till Monday to get any sort of response...

ed. · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:32 am

so the moral of the story is
DO NOT BUY TRAIL READY PRODUCTS???

let us know what happens.

USAFCOP · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:49 am

Now I wouldn't go that far... I have been to their shop, and have talked to the guys their (back in 95/96) and they do make good stuff, but this seems to be out of charachter, unless a lot has changed, of course it has been 12 yrs (Holy crap :evil:

)

As for this bumper, Definetly, I would send it back to them.

Also looking at the picks, I would agree with Troy, have them pay to have your jeep put back to stock, as their product WAS NOT MADE for your vehicle as they claimed. As for those cuts in the front support, I would PM Darby and see if he remembered having to do that with his. Personally I would not have cut those corners off at all. Looks like it would drastically weaken your front end.

Send it back on them.

WoodysKJ · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:19 am

I can not believe what I have been reading and seeing!!!!!!

WHY anybody would go through that? You are a model of patience. I would no more attempt to fabricate anything that I just paid over 1100 dollars for to MAKE it fit my KJ. I would not expect it to fit properly I WOULD DEMAND IT TO FIT PROPERLY the first time!!!!!!!

If i were you (but we already know that is not the case cuz I would not have bought that non air bag compliant hunk of junk in the first place) I would find a friend that is in the Law profession and have him or her send this guy a nice little letter detailing how you plan to crawly so far up his you know what, that he is going to see little white KJ's EVERYWHERE he goes.

The first round of his song and dance crap would have made me call my attourney friend and say I think I am going to need one of those letters in a little bit, so get ready. The only smart thing in this whole process that you did do is TAKE PICTURES.

In the hands of a legal beagle friend they can be VERY helpful. I just wish you had waited to use the rattle can on that beast. He may say that he wont refund it because of that. If he does let us know and we all will bombard his company with emails and posts.

The is NO excuse for this. When companies like ARB and Rock Lizzard take the time and effort to not only to design and test then make a GREAT product, and then make it so it will fit the first time with out changing the vehicle and it's safety.

I would not only ship that beast back and demand repairs and a full refund, but I would get on EVERY single 4x4 and off road forum and make their lives hell.

I am so sorry that you went through all that. But a leson has been learned from this.

DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY MAKE. NOT JUST HOW TO MAKE A BUCK OR TWO AT IT. PERIOD!!!!!!

It's too late for this, but Good Luck!!

KY Liberty · **Joined:** Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:46 pm **Posts:** 1195

They need to send you a call tag and cover the shipping to get it back to them. Then they need to make it work for you. If they can't make it work, they will need to refund your money and pay to replace the parts they talked you into destroying, and get your Jeep back to the way it was. Once you have given them a chance to take care of the problems, if they refuse, check to see if they are a member of the BBB, and preferably an arbitrating member. If not, you'll need to get your attorney involved.

0311_DoC · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:45 am

I pretty much cant do anything till Monday. But yea Im a lil upset that I hacked up my KJ per there instructions, cuz the inside of the bumper corners were contacting that small section of my sheet metal. as far as my patience, I don't think I had any I wanted that bumper to fit so bad that I didn't use my head and think clearly. I must of been on jeep mod crack. I almost felt like that commercial about making the round peg fit in the square hole. :oops:

elephantrider · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:55 am

1st thing... it looks like you may have to move the fog lights from there original location over to the fog holes on the bumper, sorta like the arb.. ?

2nd thing... i agree with calling trailready and making them get this one right.

you have totally hacked up your kj, per there instructions, and still cant get the bumper to fit.

i would be up there arse with a megaphone complaining so loud.

just another example of the state of customer service in this country.

USAFCOP · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:01 am

If they do correct the problems and send you a proper bumper, I would go to a fab shop and weld a bridge so to speak to sort of rebuild or reinforce the cut off corners in your sub frame front end. This will give your nose a bit more support even if you do get that bumper with those clereances.

0311_DoC · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:16 am

jasonk wrote:

1st thing... it looks like you may have to move the fog lights from there original location over to the fog holes on the bumper, sorta like the arb.. ?

2nd thing... i agree with calling trailready and making them get this one right.

you have totally hacked up your kj, per there instructions, and still cant get the bumper to fit.

i would be up there arse with a megaphone complaining so loud.

just another example of the state of customer service in this country.

well as mentioned previously, TR states they didn't even know that there were fogs in the grille cuz there test vehicle had no holes in the grille. again I can see this being a big headache to make it right. whether its my money back or they fix the welds on the C-channels so it will fit right. or what ever.. its still gona be a HUGE P I T A. Also when I got home I looked at the sales receipt and it says bumper for 2002-2007 Jeep Liberty?????? so now that is pi$$ing me off cuz they told me I had the right bumper for my application. What application??? its the same bumper as the one they produced in 02 ?????

USAFCOP · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:03 pm

I would ask for proof (picture) that they tested it on an '05-'07 instead of just saying they did and assuming the tolerances were the same. They are not, we found that out at Rock Lizard when looking at trying to mane the same bumper fit all years. The core support and front frame (part bumper face mounts to) and the grille slant tolerances are different by quite a little bit enough that some modifications were made to the next prototype to make the center section fit all years.

Guest · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:01 pm

I just hope he can hose these mofos. I REALLY don't want to think about what that front bumper support is going to look like in 5 years..

tommudd · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:14 pm

All I am going to say about this is we hopefully can learn fom it and when others say beware....then beware!

AZScout · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:26 pm

If you do want to keep the bumper, get a white 02 grill. That will take care of the OEM foglights. Then you can trace where the turn signal would fit on top of the Trailready and cut that part out so that the turn signal will fit. Kind of extreme but this is worst case scenario if they give you flak in returning the bumper and the only thing is that the bottom third of the turn signal will be hid. Then, at your leisure, you can use the wiring on the other turn signal thats on the side of the OEM bumper and get some turn signals to fab in the Trailready. Some LED's might be inexpensive and made to work. Sorry about all of this and I hope it works out for you whatever you decide to do.

Dave

Rock Lizard · **Posted:** Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:28 pm

02-04 grills won't fit on the 05+. Completely different shape.

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