Joe Jeeper not to argue the point, and I appauld Marlin for not only taking over what Al started but making it a lot better!
But that "C Clip or SKE" is sort of scary looking . I don't care what it is made of, (well I do) but you still have one small bolt that is holding it to the knuckle itself. It may hold forever but it seems like there should be something more there.
Kind of looks like what I tried to do to my little red wagon when I was 12, still have a scar from that down hill trip

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MUDD'S MOTORSPORT'S We do IFS lift installs ,
03 OVERLAND EDITION /Kilby-Skidrow-Mopar-4XGuard skids/ 2.5 inch TOTAL CONTROL JBA coilovers -JBA Arms/MOABS-31 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W / 4.10's etc, 04 Kilimanjaro Edition loaded, plus 05 KJ limited

One nut on a ball joint is all that ever holds the knuckle by design on all IFS. Any how just wanted you to see that Marlin doesn't just throw parts together he researches and engineers them for the application. I wouldn't of gone thru with this lift without trusting his judgement ant capabilities. Happy 4-Wheeling 2009!

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Joe
L.O.S.T. #000391
2000 Jeep Wrangler Sport with hooks, skids, trac-lok rear.

..And we all know how well the Liberty balljoints hold up..



..Anyways, for me at least, its not the extension itself that causes a spot of bother, but the fact that there are now two potential failure points there - the ball joint, and the bolt.

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I would wreck Kate Hudson.

i called up and talked to marlin and he really has some great ideas to make this a viable lift option and i already volentered my jeep as a tester. no the dana 30a will no longer be there, probably a front diff out of a kk. he is looking at every aspect of this build and is not going to release it until he is sure it is a quality product

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05 liberty
2.5 inch rustys off road lift
31x11.5 ltbs on us steel wheels
cherrybomb exhaust and
mopar light bar

wow, I'm just good

and to think it took 5 pages since my post to get this far

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2008 KK Liberty Sport NIGHT OPS EDITION + GILLS
OEM & Custom Skids - Factory Tow Package - Rock Lizard Skink Super Sliders
Prototype JBA 4 Inch Lift - JBA UCA's - Flowmaster Super 44 OR - Whacked Resonator
Jet Stage 2 - RL Gecko Basket Rack - Custom Winch Bumper - Recon 10.5K Winch

I thought the KK diff was also aluminum??? I think you would have more gear choices but I think turning 35" tires is still a problem.

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2006 CRD http://www.UtahPowderCoatings.com/ http://www.gorecon.com/ I'm kind of a big deal.
RL rear bumper, ARB front bumper, Mile Marker winch, Power Tank, Skids by Mopar & Skid Row, RL Super Skink Sliders, 235/85R16 MTR, Air Flow Snorkel, DTT, 4.10 gears, Frankenlift II, Katskin leather, JL Audio stereo, Rosen video.

I think it is, but it's supposed to be reinforced better than the KJ, and then they have a way better gear selection, but I doubt that they would be able to turn 35" safely even if they have the correct gear ratio.

Be interesting to see what he comes up with though.

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1980 Jeep CJ7 Buggy
SOA, D44/ FF14B, SBC 350, SM465, NP205, 108" WB, 37" MTs

http://www.dpgoffroad.com/
http://www.ucora.org/
http://www.christianoffroad.com/
http://jeepinbyal.com/

I think this is a great idea and am happy to hear a shop is building it. I don't know how you all look at 2.5" lifts on ever liberty website without . From a lot of the pictures i have seen on this site not many of you are supper hard on your libs so why not have a bad booty lift? Anyway i enjoy anything that add's to the overall time, options and choices we all get to look at and enjoy as owners.

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2003 Lib Renegade
3.7L V6, 45RFE TRANNY
NV242 Selec-Trac Full Time 4WD System
D30a FRONT ,Chrysler 8.25 OEM Dana Trac Lock Posi, 29 spline REAR, 3.73 gears

So it's OK to build a poser then? So everyone may as well buy two wheel drives put a 10/12 inch lift on and drive to the mall every night! A properly set up 2.5/3 inch lift will take you almost anywhere you want to go , or it has me and I do not when I see another one or do I when I see mine.
People make a huge deal that we can only lift 3 inches and run 31/32 inch tires, look at most of the Cherokees out there , what are they running? Yep 3 inch lifts and 31/32 inch tires , so whats the big deal. The bottom line still is you want to go bigger SFA is the best and less costly in the long run
The KK front diff may have more options as far as gearing but it is not really proven yet the it is stronger, give it some time and there will be breakage there as well, as soon as some get out there and actually wheel harder.

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MUDD'S MOTORSPORT'S We do IFS lift installs ,
03 OVERLAND EDITION /Kilby-Skidrow-Mopar-4XGuard skids/ 2.5 inch TOTAL CONTROL JBA coilovers -JBA Arms/MOABS-31 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W / 4.10's etc, 04 Kilimanjaro Edition loaded, plus 05 KJ limited

Sure why is that not an option we should have? I think we should have every option that is viable for our jeep. Wide body flares, 12" lift, 20" wheels, 10 KC lights, winchs, you name it i am glad we have companies and people willing to figure these things out and give us options.

I know your hard core and only the kit you want is good enough and all other fall short and that is fine, but let others have there choice man.

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2003 Lib Renegade
3.7L V6, 45RFE TRANNY
NV242 Selec-Trac Full Time 4WD System
D30a FRONT ,Chrysler 8.25 OEM Dana Trac Lock Posi, 29 spline REAR, 3.73 gears

I fully understand your point of view, but I guess I was just never one to waste money on things that do not do anything for the betterment of my ride, Extra lights for example are OK if you need them, most that have them never use them so for me that is a waste. I agree with the statement of having more options but lots of people get caught up in looking the part instead of using a vehicle as it should be used. Its your money but if I spend a nickel I better get 10 cents back in better quality parts/ upgraded parts/being able to go farther into the woods or whatever. Its like having a show car that you haul in a trailer to a show, unload it, show it that day load it back into a trailer to haul it home and park it in a heated garage what fun is it?

Just my point of view but then I was raised with different values and whats important in life I guess

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MUDD'S MOTORSPORT'S We do IFS lift installs ,
03 OVERLAND EDITION /Kilby-Skidrow-Mopar-4XGuard skids/ 2.5 inch TOTAL CONTROL JBA coilovers -JBA Arms/MOABS-31 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W / 4.10's etc, 04 Kilimanjaro Edition loaded, plus 05 KJ limited

Well see and heres the other thing, if you are a wheeler and do it all the time you need something that will hold up on the trails and not cr@p out 1/2 way through and you'll have to go home and fix minor or even major problems. Its nice to see that people have ideas but you have to remember that they have to be safe and not mall crawlers if you want to wheel. And the only safe thing to do currently on the KJ is a 3-maybe 3.5 inch lift bc of the stupid IFS. And if you dont want to spend a few thousand on a SFA then get it done correctly with safe springs and shocks.

And alot of people have respect for what their KJ's can do, I know I got my respect for it when I first started to wheel and it was bone stock even with 40K miles on the stock tires

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05 KJ Limited (fully loaded)
2.5in Daystar front spacer/OME HD rear coils
Rancho RSX shocks
31x10.5x15 BFG AT on black steels
Front and rear tow hooks
Polk audio db6501 full range speakers and tweeters
12" Kicker Comp CVR sub

X2 to that!

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05 KJ Limited (fully loaded)
2.5in Daystar front spacer/OME HD rear coils
Rancho RSX shocks
31x10.5x15 BFG AT on black steels
Front and rear tow hooks
Polk audio db6501 full range speakers and tweeters
12" Kicker Comp CVR sub

i think it's all what you do with your liberty that directs you to which setup. if it's a mall crawler than who cares how it holds up offroad. if you do wheel it.. of course you'll want a lift that will work good in that situation. i could see the 12in lift and KK diff being good for some situations. you could regear for 35's or more.. granted rock crawlers wouldnt want that tall of a lift but for mud boggers or deep snow drivers the taller lift and bigger tires the better.. and no need for flex or extremely heavy duty parts (like sfa). to each his own. for now i'm going to keep my frankenlift untill i can SFA or get rid of the liberty for something else.

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2006 Renegade. Completely stock.

Great post!!

I agree 100% i have lived in Oregon or Washington my whole life and there is little to no rock crawling up here, but you will need to go threw some of the deepest sticky mud and snow you have ever seen in places. I also see a lot of people getting the widest tires possible, but up here your better off getting narrow but tallest tires you can fit. Guess that is the difference between rock rigs and offroad rigs.

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2003 Lib Renegade
3.7L V6, 45RFE TRANNY
NV242 Selec-Trac Full Time 4WD System
D30a FRONT ,Chrysler 8.25 OEM Dana Trac Lock Posi, 29 spline REAR, 3.73 gears

I agree on this. To me it's about knowing the value of a buck. But also, it's about knowing what your vehicle is FOR. I have built this KJ for dealing with bad roads; some of them really shouldn't be called roads at all. It's a killer little machine for that. That's why the suspension upgrade, better lighting, etc.

But I do support experimenting with suspensions, etc if somebody is willing to spend their hard-earned cash on it.

Great post, but bottom line everything that you install on your KJ should be functional and have a particular use. Many people out there install aftermarket parts that never see any use, think about what you do with your KJ everyday and how much you wheel it and not what the next guy is going to have to say about it. A 3' 3.5' on our KJ's is enough we can go anywhere all the other Jeeps go, and we can still take our woman out on the town and look good. 12" on a KJ not practical with an IFS and a 30a can upfront. you want to be radical and different spend the money and do an SFA. Talk about functionality and looks if thats what your into this is the way to go. Expensive? Absolutly; but I live by one rule, If I dont have the money to do it right; I wont do it at all, and everything thing I do to the KJ needs to be functional and there 100% the day I call on it! but then thats me. Again I have a lot of respect for the guy, he is a great fabricator and has done a lot of excellent things for our KJ's, but before I would even think about that lift, I would concentrate an a SFA up front.

Just keep thinking we have an Aluminum Can up front that is the weekest part on the KJ. just my $ Worth

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“You cannot solve a problem from the same consciousness that created it."

“Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.”

People have the right to make mall crawlers. But seeing that poseurs make it rougher on guys trying to use their jeeps as jeeps, we reserve the right to make fun of you for it. See? Then everyone gets their rights....

I also chuckle at the guy who walks around suburbia looking like an extra from Urban Cowboy and has never been closer to a farm then the road in front of one. Same deal.

I believe these things are called "affectations" and that term is not a compliment, IIRC. Pretending to be a Jeeper, Cowboy, or Indian chief all amounts to Village People wannabe characters IMHO. But to be clear, I am all in support of people's rights to do these things.

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'05 KJ 3.7L/6spd/241 245/75/16 MT's
'88 MJ 4.0L/AW4/231 SWB HPD30 & trac-loc D44 w/3.73's
A dirty Jeep is a happy Jeep

Just remember the KK's D30M still will not hold up to 35" tires in any offroad terrain,mud or rocks,it will still explode being a alloy case.To the mall it'd be okay for a little while.A cradle drop like the purposed one will have is very weak for offroad also,puts massive stress on the unibody that it can not handle.Not saying anything bad towards JBA but this a mall crawler lift only.You want 35" tires on a KJ just SFA it and be done.

Amen, Brother Troy, but it seems that we are preaching to some unbeleivers out there who do not see the light yet.

Rev.Mudd said that

sooner or later a Mall Crawler will try the real thing and then

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03 OVERLAND EDITION /Kilby-Skidrow-Mopar-4XGuard skids/ 2.5 inch TOTAL CONTROL JBA coilovers -JBA Arms/MOABS-31 FALKEN WILDPEAK AT3W / 4.10's etc, 04 Kilimanjaro Edition loaded, plus 05 KJ limited