commander spindle lift>liberty spindle

bearmedic · **Posted:** Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:20 am

any body got a side by side view of the jeep commanders spindles next to tht libby spindles im thinking the 3" lift knuckles for the cdr could provide a lift if they would fit any one thought this before?
drew

06LIB · **Posted:** Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:35 pm

I thought the same thing....although I havent seen the two together. Whomever has please chime in here....

bearmedic · **Posted:** Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:46 pm

yeah i was readins in petersons 4wd or maybe offraoding botu a skyjaker lift that is a spindle lift i do believe i mean you could make the spindle fit but it my be to tall on the top end

USAFCOP · **Posted:** Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:07 pm

I am pretty sure the Commander and the Grand have the same knuckle therefore the lower ball joint mounts differently so it will not work.

chefdab · **Posted:** Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:53 pm

Question: I've heard that the ball joints are different so the lift spindles won't work---by themselves. But would the front control arms (with the different ball joints) fit in a Liberty without modification? Then you could use the lift spindles. Just a thought.

bearmedic · **Posted:** Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:37 pm

i had that though to since the i do believer the cdr's are longer if they fit they could be an option for that and it wouldnt be to har to fit the F.I.T. kit on a liberty due to the cdr and liberty being about teh same width hmm wel lit is worth aashot to look at
drew

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:04 pm

If you made custom Upper and Lower Control Arms...you could use the Knuckle :idea:

Jeger · **Posted:** Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:33 pm

DarbyWalters wrote:

If you made custom Upper and Lower Control Arms...you could use the Knuckle :idea:

Gotta be cheaper to fab those up than to have a spindled custom made I would think.

bearmedic · **Posted:** Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:40 am

well have al put a set of the moog ball joints for a cdr in to the gen 4 libby upper arms he makes and maybe get him to fab a new lower ca with the cdrs lowr joint it might work i mean how much more would it be to trade out the moog ball joints? im saying about a grand for hte control arms them selves and i think knew spindles to get fab ones custom for hte libby are atleast running 2-3 grand to design and mold/ farbircate and then you would still have the factory ball joints and control arms and with replacing the fornt suspension well might still get rubbing wouldnt you? Can some body contact al and have him chime in on this. cause thin kbout it you could use the cdr 3" lift with als 4-6 inch lift and possibly get eh roughly 7" of lift and does any one know if the cdr has the same front diff as the libby ?
if so the drop bracket for it might work as well to accomabate the cv angles but for a 2wd like me i would really ahve to worry bout the steering linkage and sway bar more

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:53 am

The big drawback of spending all the time and money making "custom arms" to fit the Commander Spindle, is you still have to deal with the CVJoints and D30a Diff weakness. Your new travel might be a bit more but the CVJoint Axle Angle will still be a problem. With the aluminum diff, you are also still going to be limited on tire size.

It seems that no matter what new ways we come up with, in the long run a SFA is the best way to go to get more lift than 3" and bigger meats than 32". I am not saying that we should give up and every little bit helps...in fact the spindle idea is the best idea of all for a better front suspension and possible better ball joints to get RID OF THE OEM BALL JOINT RECALL!!! PIECES.

tommudd · **Posted:** Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:13 am

People keep coming up with grand ideas of 5,6,7 inches of lift, when what you need to be thinking of is a front diff replacement to get rid of the aluminum center section and also allow you to go to 4.56 or 4.88 gears. WHAT GOOD will it do you to go to 6 inches of lift and a 33/35 inch tire and 3.73 gears or even the 4.10s, maybe you never ran anything like that before, but for me I am at my limits until we can get rid of the front diff and lower gears. Its not bad to dream about higher lifts, but also we need to dream about some other replacement parts as well, it all works together :wink:

OK I am done :wink:

Tom

chefdab · **Posted:** Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:51 pm

One thing at a time. Once we have a solid lift that will allow 33's or larger then we can address ways to deal with the front diff. I actually had a thought as I was typing. I recall back when Al was still experimenting with his lift, he had come into possession of an IFS Dana 44 center section. I don't know what ever became of it though. I don't know what vehicle it was originally made for though but these things do exist. If you could fit it into the cradle somehow, then your gear choices would be much better (up to 5.13) and less chance of breakage due to a steel or cast iron housing. Anybody want to look into this further? Take some measurements and see if it could be made to fit. Just throwing it out there.

Larry R. · **Joined:** Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:35 am **Posts:** 92

Not everybody whats to wheel there crd extremely hard, I this chefdab has a good idea. I think the majority of the people here would be happy with a quality ifs lift.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:48 pm

What they are saying is that we already have a decent 2"-2.5" LIFT...any higher and it will run into more $$$. I am satisfied with my OME 2.25" CRD lift for the moment and will wait and do a SFA if I decide to go higher. The good part is that people are still trying to make the KJs better along the way...

Pablo · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1201

chefdab wrote:

One thing at a time. Once we have a solid lift that will allow 33's or larger then we can address ways to deal with the front diff. I actually had a thought as I was typing. I recall back when Al was still experimenting with his lift, he had come into possession of an IFS Dana 44 center section. I don't know what ever became of it though. I don't know what vehicle it was originally made for though but these things do exist. If you could fit it into the cradle somehow, then your gear choices would be much better (up to 5.13) and less chance of breakage due to a steel or cast iron housing. Anybody want to look into this further? Take some measurements and see if it could be made to fit. Just throwing it out there.

I think this D44 IFS is the Grand WK, No? Should not be hard to find them.

bearmedic · **Posted:** Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:01 am

what bout putting the front end form like a chevy or ford up front they both are ifs.....andsince the base tires for an f150 4wd is 245/75r16 it hsou ld provide a stiffer stronger front.

tommudd · **Posted:** Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:19 am

Look at the whole frame / suspension of Ford/ Chevrolet/ Liberty I think it would be easier to do a SFA

bearmedic · **Posted:** Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:35 am

they use torsion bars also
so tomm heres a question why not use a could over set up like on the new f150s on a soldid swap keeping current tie in points for the shock and strut then add contorl arms form a wrangler
also who makes the tubular control arms for the wrangler?

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