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Author:  ridah011 [ Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:02 pm ]
Post subject:  ROCKFATHER II LIFT QUESTIONS
Ok, so I purchased a 2.5 inch Rockfather II kit, OME HD front struts and springs with a some type of strut plate they provided and rear Rocky Road "engineered" shocks and springs. I was told that OME doesn't make rear springs or shocks that are 2.5 inch, is that true or were they just telling me that? Secondly, is this a good setup? I don't wanna run into any problems now or later down the road. I read a post about the Rockfather I and most people here were kinda bashing RRO and also read that Jeeping by Al has a full OME 1.5 inch kit, which is not my desired height, rather stick to the 2.5, but would compromise for a better setup. If you guys could help me out with any info that would be great, cause I just recieved the RRO and need to figure if I send it back or keep it. Thanks
Author:  jsc7002 [ Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:21 pm ]
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RRO has a bad reputation. and if you get the OME HD coils you will gain 2.5" I gained a total of 3" and it was easy I will be bumping it up to about 3.5-3.75" this summer, but you should be fine, that lift is similar to the Frankenlift. as for rear shocks you can use the OME N132L or Rancho RSX17004, I woulc go with Rancho bc they are cheaper and a good brand but either will work great.

I think that answers all of your questions.
Author:  InCommando [ Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:18 pm ]
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The OME springs alone are good for a claimed at 2". They may appear to be more due to sag on the OE springs, etc... All of the OME spring based kits use additional spacers to go to 2.5". Again, the 2.5" lifts may give you much more than 2.5" depending on your rig, pre-lowered, etc....
Author:  snowsport [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:29 am ]
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Author:  tonycrd [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ROCKFATHER II LIFT QUESTIONS
ridah011 wrote:
Ok, so I purchased a 2.5 inch Rockfather II kit


Congrets! But maybe should have done your homework better.

ridah011 wrote:
OME HD front struts and springs with a 1) some type of strut plate they provided and rear 2) Rocky Road "engineered" shocks and springs.


1) this goes on top of the strut assambly. Did the kit come with longer topplate studs? If not you need to take out the oem's and fit longer bolts. IMO the 3/8 plate makes the OEM studs to short.

2) Which do not fit properly. Get some washers ready.

ridah011 wrote:
- I was told that OME doesn't make rear springs or shocks that are 2.5 inch, is that true or were they just telling me that?


They are lying. OME 948 will give you 2,5" for the rear. Shocks: OME 132 or 132L.

ridah011 wrote:
Secondly, is this a good setup? I don't wanna run into any problems now or later down the road.


The front is ok, the rear...I don't know. You could always upgrade later?

ridah011 wrote:
I read a post about the Rockfather I and most people here were kinda bashing RRO and also read that Jeeping by Al has a full OME 1.5 inch kit, which is not my desired height, rather stick to the 2.5, but would compromise for a better setup.


RRO lost a lot of points due to their poor customer service and because they say the Frankenlift is no good. On their website...

JBA states what ARB/OME states for liability reasons, on a gasser you get at least 2,5" lift from the OME 927/948 springs combo.

ridah011 wrote:
If you guys could help me out with any info that would be great, cause I just recieved the RRO and need to figure if I send it back or keep it. Thanks


You paid $800 for this lift?..:?

I'd send it back and get a Frankenlift.:D

http://www.boulderbars.com/frankenlift.htm
Author:  ridah011 [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ROCKFATHER II LIFT QUESTIONS
I did alot of homework and I would def not buy the frankenlift since they told me that there kit uses a spacer setup in the front that isn't a strut plate but rather on the spring itself, which most people here state is not the way to go. Well, OME's website doesn't show anytype of 2.5 kit for the Libby, the only one who sells a kit is Jeepin by Al and it's only 1.5. Why would I install this kit and make changes later, that would be the stupidest thing I could do, considering I haven't even installed it.

tonycrd wrote:
ridah011 wrote:
Ok, so I purchased a 2.5 inch Rockfather II kit


Congrets! But maybe should have done your homework better.

ridah011 wrote:
OME HD front struts and springs with a 1) some type of strut plate they provided and rear 2) Rocky Road "engineered" shocks and springs.


1) this goes on top of the strut assambly. Did the kit come with longer topplate studs? If not you need to take out the oem's and fit longer bolts. IMO the 3/8 plate makes the OEM studs to short.

2) Which do not fit properly. Get some washers ready.

ridah011 wrote:
- I was told that OME doesn't make rear springs or shocks that are 2.5 inch, is that true or were they just telling me that?


They are lying. OME 948 will give you 2,5" for the rear. Shocks: OME 132 or 132L.

ridah011 wrote:
Secondly, is this a good setup? I don't wanna run into any problems now or later down the road.


The front is ok, the rear...I don't know. You could always upgrade later?

ridah011 wrote:
I read a post about the Rockfather I and most people here were kinda bashing RRO and also read that Jeeping by Al has a full OME 1.5 inch kit, which is not my desired height, rather stick to the 2.5, but would compromise for a better setup.


RRO lost a lot of points due to their poor customer service and because they say the Frankenlift is no good. On their website...

JBA states what ARB/OME states for liability reasons, on a gasser you get at least 2,5" lift from the OME 927/948 springs combo.

ridah011 wrote:
If you guys could help me out with any info that would be great, cause I just recieved the RRO and need to figure if I send it back or keep it. Thanks


You paid $800 for this lift?..:?

I'd send it back and get a Frankenlift.:D

http://www.boulderbars.com/frankenlift.htm
Author:  daspes [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ROCKFATHER II LIFT QUESTIONS
ridah011 wrote:
I did alot of homework and I would def not buy the frankenlift since they told me that there kit uses a spacer setup in the front that isn't a strut plate but rather on the spring itself, which most people here state is not the way to go. Well, OME's website doesn't show anytype of 2.5 kit for the Libby, the only one who sells a kit is Jeepin by Al and it's only 1.5. Why would I install this kit and make changes later, that would be the stupidest thing I could do, considering I haven't even installed it.

Not sure where you did your homework at... The frankenlift is the best 2.5" lift produced for the KJ. The Spacer problem that you should be refering to is spacers on top of the strut (really a shock BTW), not on the spring itself. A spacer on top of the strut is referred to as an OTT lift, and is what will kill the KJ's shocks and ball joints. These lifts also happen to be produced by.... yep RRO themselves. If you look at their website, you'll see they are full of crap everywhere on the site, not just the KJ section. Unfortunately, they also have crappy customer service, and you'll probably won't be able to return the lift. Or if you do, they wion't refund your money, like has happened to several members on this board. I suggest trying to salvage as much as possible from the lift and do it right the first time.
Author:  jsc7002 [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ROCKFATHER II LIFT QUESTIONS
ridah011 wrote:
I did alot of homework and I would def not buy the frankenlift since they told me that there kit uses a spacer setup in the front that isn't a strut plate but rather on the spring itself, which most people here state is not the way to go. Well, OME's website doesn't show anytype of 2.5 kit for the Libby, the only one who sells a kit is Jeepin by Al and it's only 1.5. Why would I install this kit and make changes later, that would be the stupidest thing I could do, considering I haven't even installed it.

tonycrd wrote:
ridah011 wrote:
Ok, so I purchased a 2.5 inch Rockfather II kit


Congrets! But maybe should have done your homework better.

ridah011 wrote:
OME HD front struts and springs with a 1) some type of strut plate they provided and rear 2) Rocky Road "engineered" shocks and springs.


1) this goes on top of the strut assambly. Did the kit come with longer topplate studs? If not you need to take out the oem's and fit longer bolts. IMO the 3/8 plate makes the OEM studs to short.

2) Which do not fit properly. Get some washers ready.

ridah011 wrote:
- I was told that OME doesn't make rear springs or shocks that are 2.5 inch, is that true or were they just telling me that?


They are lying. OME 948 will give you 2,5" for the rear. Shocks: OME 132 or 132L.

ridah011 wrote:
Secondly, is this a good setup? I don't wanna run into any problems now or later down the road.


The front is ok, the rear...I don't know. You could always upgrade later?

ridah011 wrote:
I read a post about the Rockfather I and most people here were kinda bashing RRO and also read that Jeeping by Al has a full OME 1.5 inch kit, which is not my desired height, rather stick to the 2.5, but would compromise for a better setup.


RRO lost a lot of points due to their poor customer service and because they say the Frankenlift is no good. On their website...

JBA states what ARB/OME states for liability reasons, on a gasser you get at least 2,5" lift from the OME 927/948 springs combo.

ridah011 wrote:
If you guys could help me out with any info that would be great, cause I just recieved the RRO and need to figure if I send it back or keep it. Thanks


You paid $800 for this lift?..:?

I'd send it back and get a Frankenlift.:D

http://www.boulderbars.com/frankenlift.htm


who said that? RRO? they use a spacer as well.
Author:  ridah011 [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:40 pm ]
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Right, that is what I am trying to do. They are being very good so far, they don't have a problem with exchanging it out. What I want is OME front and rear setup, shock and springs. Now, again they told me the OME doesn't make a 2.5, just 1.5 that is why their front is OME with the strut plate. The rear OME springs are only 1 3/4 higher, not 2.5 like there springs, that's why they have there springs and shocks. Now, the rear are not Heavy Duty just Medium Duty, only 25lb over stock spring specs. So now my question is, I can keep the front which is entirely OME, I can get the OME N132L rear shocks, but what about the rear springs, since they are only 1 3/4 and not 2.5? My rig wouldn't be level correct? Is there a way to use those HD OME springs and get that 2.5? Is there anyone out there that has done this? Thanks in advance
Author:  jsc7002 [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:47 pm ]
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ridah011 wrote:
Right, that is what I am trying to do. They are being very good so far, they don't have a problem with exchanging it out. What I want is OME front and rear setup, shock and springs. Now, again they told me the OME doesn't make a 2.5, just 1.5 that is why their front is OME with the strut plate. The rear OME springs are only 1 3/4 higher, not 2.5 like there springs, that's why they have there springs and shocks. Now, the rear are not Heavy Duty just Medium Duty, only 25lb over stock spring specs. So now my question is, I can keep the front which is entirely OME, I can get the OME N132L rear shocks, but what about the rear springs, since they are only 1 3/4 and not 2.5? My rig wouldn't be level correct? Is there a way to use those HD OME springs and get that 2.5? Is there anyone out there that has done this? Thanks in advance


ok I can tell you from personal experience, that I did OME HD coils and gained 2.5", OME coils are really longer then OEM just a higher coil rating, and then you can add a clevis lift in the front, it only costs $4 and you will be sitting level, yes you can use the OME N132L or the Rancho RSX 17004 which is cheaper and just as good
Author:  tonycrd [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ROCKFATHER II LIFT QUESTIONS
ridah011 wrote:
I did alot of homework


daspes wrote:
Not sure where you did your homework at...


:-)r
Author:  ridah011 [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: ROCKFATHER II LIFT QUESTIONS
tonycrd wrote:
ridah011 wrote:
I did alot of homework


daspes wrote:
Not sure where you did your homework at...


:-)r


it was in spanlish!!! that's probably why I didn't get it all!!! :lol:
Author:  ridah011 [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:45 pm ]
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jsc7002 wrote:
ridah011 wrote:
Right, that is what I am trying to do. They are being very good so far, they don't have a problem with exchanging it out. What I want is OME front and rear setup, shock and springs. Now, again they told me the OME doesn't make a 2.5, just 1.5 that is why their front is OME with the strut plate. The rear OME springs are only 1 3/4 higher, not 2.5 like there springs, that's why they have there springs and shocks. Now, the rear are not Heavy Duty just Medium Duty, only 25lb over stock spring specs. So now my question is, I can keep the front which is entirely OME, I can get the OME N132L rear shocks, but what about the rear springs, since they are only 1 3/4 and not 2.5? My rig wouldn't be level correct? Is there a way to use those HD OME springs and get that 2.5? Is there anyone out there that has done this? Thanks in advance


ok I can tell you from personal experience, that I did OME HD coils and gained 2.5", OME coils are really longer then OEM just a higher coil rating, and then you can add a clevis lift in the front, it only costs $4 and you will be sitting level, yes you can use the OME N132L or the Rancho RSX 17004 which is cheaper and just as good


ok, so you did the 1.5 HD OME springs and shocks correct with the clevis lift? I know that the OME springs are longer but not 2.5, not really sure of the front but the rear are 1 3/4 inches above stock spring height. So, lets assume I use the OME HD front springs , struts and strut plate, get the HD OME rear, can I raise the rear with the clevis to match the front, since the front will be a true 2.5 inch lift with those strut plates?
Author:  jsc7002 [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:48 pm ]
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yes you can buy some upper rear isolators, you can add up to two of them on each side and they will each give you .5" of lift, thats what I did was a clevis, extra iso and OME HD and gained right at 3" all said and done
Author:  ridah011 [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:16 pm ]
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jsc7002 wrote:
yes you can buy some upper rear isolators, you can add up to two of them on each side and they will each give you .5" of lift, thats what I did was a clevis, extra iso and OME HD and gained right at 3" all said and done


ok, where do I get isolators?
Author:  tommudd [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:21 pm ]
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ridah011 wrote:
jsc7002 wrote:
yes you can buy some upper rear isolators, you can add up to two of them on each side and they will each give you .5" of lift, thats what I did was a clevis, extra iso and OME HD and gained right at 3" all said and done


ok, where do I get isolators?


dealer, 12-15 bucks or so
# 52088707AA or was the number
Author:  ridah011 [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 6:29 pm ]
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jsc7002 wrote:
yes you can buy some upper rear isolators, you can add up to two of them on each side and they will each give you .5" of lift, thats what I did was a clevis, extra iso and OME HD and gained right at 3" all said and done


so it's two more than the one that is already in place now? So, once I get them do I just stack them together? Do they bolt in or what? Could I do a bottom and a top isolator or is the top upper the way to go?
Author:  jsc7002 [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:20 pm ]
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yes two more than you have now, they just set in place, you can have a TOTAL of 3 counting the OEM one, and that should be enough, they say dont mess with the lowers
Author:  ridah011 [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:33 pm ]
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jsc7002 wrote:
yes two more than you have now, they just set in place, you can have a TOTAL of 3 counting the OEM one, and that should be enough, they say dont mess with the lowers


ok, should be my last question, you guys have been great in helping me fix this little problem. how are they kept in place exactly if they are just set on top of each other and wouldn't there be play or wiggle or does the spring keep them stacked together and in place? they are not bolted in correct?
Author:  tommudd [ Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:51 pm ]
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spring keeps them in
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