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Author:  resistance [ Sun May 09, 2010 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questions)
Yes it's finally done.. Had a very hard time finding an international dealer, importing the kit, retrieving at the customs, installation, etc.. But it's over now and I'm deadly tired:) Thanks to Murphyman, Mrneen, Tommudd, Boiler, TBJ, Tony, Dave and all the people from Jeepkj and Lostjeeps, who answered all of my questions in endless patience. Thank you. I had definitely NOBODY to provide me the least bit of help here. Without your support, I couldn't have even started doing this.

Now, this is what my 2" lift kit contains:
BDS front and rear coils,
BDS rear shocks,
Rancho RS5764 front shocks
Teraflex front bumpstops (1 missing, so not installed yet..)
Rear bumpstops (rubber mallots)

I've also got new rubber: Cooper Discoverer STT's;) (245/75/16)

Here are the photos(BEFORE/AFTER):
Before:
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After
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After:
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After:
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The rear:
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Front with BDS coils+Rancho shocks:
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Rear with full BDS:
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[b]That's it. Now I have some questions:

1) The mechanic said he tried to do the Clevis lift, but could only pry it up about 1 mm. I'm not sure if that is true. Maybe he didn't try at all though. Is there a noticabe clevis lift (without the conduit nuts) here?
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2) Sometimes I hear a loud thumping noise from the rear when I go over potholes or high bumps. As a bumpstop, you can see the trimmed and re-shaped rubber mallot below. And the yellow colored "thing" (I don't know what it is called) just above it. Are they too close? Otherwise what would cause that hitting noise? And my rear coils look leaning backwards. Why is it like that?
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3) I also want to ask about the amount of lift. I measured from the centre of the rim to the edge of the fender as shown below and it measures a little more than 20". Is this ok for a 2" lift, or is it less than expected?
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Author:  Fulltimer [ Sun May 09, 2010 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
Your 20 inches might be about right. I have 22.5 inches but I have the clevis lift and taller tires. You have a good looking KJ!

Terry
Author:  Twack [ Sun May 09, 2010 8:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
first off what light bar is that? and how is it atached? does it hold up well and give good light?
most peole who dont know how to do a clevis lift do it wrong and have a hell of a time trying to pry it up with certain things still attached. I bet if you red the how to on here you would be able to do it. I havnt seen those kind of coils used for the rear, the nes ive seen are more beeehive type but that dosnt mean its wrong i just dont know.
Author:  JeepinJarhead03 [ Sun May 09, 2010 8:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
you're rear coils look shifted, make sure you're upper iso is in correctly, or that it's there at all?

i'd say you'd only need half of that rubber mallet for your extended bumpstop, you added 2" so only need 2" of extension and even that is argued, looks like you have more like 4" of bumpstop but maybe i'm deceived by the photo?

it does look shifted though, jack it up, take the bottom shock bolt out, let that side droop but control it, get most of the tension off of it, and grab the coil and snatch it and realign it

may be handy to put a ratchet strap around the coil and squeeze it like a coil compressor to help getting it moved

looks like the thump or bumping you're hearing is maybe the coil rubbing the upper bumps top cup?
Author:  daspes [ Sun May 09, 2010 8:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
resistance wrote:
1) The mechanic said he tried to do the Clevis lift, but could only pry it up about 1 mm. I'm not sure if that is true. Maybe he didn't try at all though. Is there a noticabe clevis lift (without the conduit nuts) here?


It looks like that theres is a small amount of lift there. (look at the space between the bottom cup of the shock and the top of the clevis fork. No gap + no lift.

resistance wrote:
2) Sometimes I hear a loud thumping noise from the rear when I go over potholes or high bumps. As a bumpstop, you can see the trimmed and re-shaped rubber mallot below. And the yellow colored "thing" (I don't know what it is called) just above it. Are they too close? Otherwise what would cause that hitting noise? And my rear coils look leaning backwards. Why is it like that?


Your "new" bumpstops are way to tall! That is the sound your hearing, bumpstops smacking each other, looks like you have only about an inch of travel right now. You need to disassemble the new stops from the backend. Jack up one side of the rear axle to see when 1.) you spring is nearly fully compressed 2.) your rear shock is nearly fully compressed. When they are, measure from the spring perch to the OEM bumpstop. Add about .25" to the measurement and re-cut your mallet then reinstall.

resistance wrote:
3) I also want to ask about the amount of lift. I measured from the centre of the rim to the edge of the fender as shown below and it measures a little more than 20". Is this ok for a 2" lift, or is it less than expected?


20 seems a bit low IMO not to much but, I though most lifts put you at about 21...

X2 on Jarheads post about the upper iso pad, and re-centering your rear spring.

Twack wrote:
first off what light bar is that? and how is it atached? does it hold up well and give good light?


That's a OEM light bar for exports (look at his tags). Operates, mounts, etc just like ours. Just 2 less lights.
Author:  RED_KJ_666 [ Sun May 09, 2010 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
X2 on questioning if the upper ISO is even There, and the springs looking shifted.
Author:  TAHOE [ Sun May 09, 2010 9:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
Rear bumpstops definitely are too close, probably your bumping noise. The rear spring also does look like it's not seated properly, could also be your noise.
The clevis lift is easy, but your mechanic has to remove the lower clevis bolts, then loosen the upper clevis bolt and slide clevis off the bottom of the shock, then you can put the spacers on and then re-assemble clevis to shock, then bottom back on the lower control arm. Impossible to do if clevis is attached to the bottom mount of LCA.
Author:  DirtyKK [ Sun May 09, 2010 9:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
that rear spring doesnt really look right to me either. i thought the rear spring on a KJ got narrower towards the top where its mounted against the upper iso....
Author:  RED_KJ_666 [ Sun May 09, 2010 9:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
The Rear Should look more like this as far as the Spring goes.

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Yeah the whole clevis needs too be removed to do a Clevis lift. It's really easy to do with basic mechanical Knowledge.
Author:  DirtyKK [ Sun May 09, 2010 9:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
another thing i just thought about the thumping noise... if the rear shocks dont have the spacer pressed in them there will be some play between the bolt and shock mount. mine did that on one side when i forgot to do install it. :oops:

also how are you guys keeping the bottom bump stop from moving around? are they bolted or screwed in? do you think some kind of epoxy would work?
Author:  RED_KJ_666 [ Sun May 09, 2010 9:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
DirtyKK I Drilled my lower Spring perch, and lucked out on having an old Timbren Kit for a half ton kicking around and used that. All the same drill the lower perch and put a bolt down through from the top and a nut on the bottom, Use lots of Anti-Seize. I think that Epoxy wouldn't work well.
Author:  H0USE34 [ Mon May 10, 2010 10:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
resistance wrote:
3) I also want to ask about the amount of lift. I measured from the centre of the rim to the edge of the fender as shown below and it measures a little more than 20". Is this ok for a 2" lift, or is it less than expected?


I have the BDS kit on my 03 and have exactly 21" center of wheel to bottom of flare all the way around. That is no clevis lift and no extra isos in the rear.
Author:  tonycrd [ Mon May 10, 2010 1:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
Twack wrote:
first off what light bar is that? and how is it atached? does it hold up well and give good light?


Export only Renegade light bar. So it's the same thing as the 4 light bar...but then with 2 lights.
Author:  resistance [ Tue May 11, 2010 5:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
Ok, when I compare my rear coil&bumpstops(1) to red_kj's(2):

(1) Image (2) Image

I see lots of space between and around the bumpstop and the yellow rubber thing(what is the darn thing's name??). But I seem to have so little space in the coil vertically and horizontally. Relatively, red_kj's bumpstop and yellow rubber stuff look smaller compared to mine. My mallet may be too long but what about the other part which is stock? Or is it just an illusion?

I also notice that my rear BDS coils look different. While other coils have a narrow bottom, mine seems to be larger. The top end may be larger too, can't see it now. Does that cause shifting?
Author:  Murphyman [ Wed May 12, 2010 12:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
Awesome pictures, I've been waiting for these. Glad everything is coming along, I wish I had a Renegade...
Author:  InCommando [ Wed May 12, 2010 12:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
Fulltimer wrote:
Your 20 inches might be about right. I have 22.5 inches but I have the clevis lift and taller tires. You have a good looking KJ!

Terry


IIRC, taller tires will not increase the distance from the center of the hub to the fender lip.
Author:  DirtyKK [ Wed May 12, 2010 1:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
those rear springs are definitely not right
Author:  wilpwr78 [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
resistance wrote:
Ok, when I compare my rear coil&bumpstops(1) to red_kj's(2):

(1) Image (2) Image

I see lots of space between and around the bumpstop and the yellow rubber thing(what is the darn thing's name??). But I seem to have so little space in the coil vertically and horizontally. Relatively, red_kj's bumpstop and yellow rubber stuff look smaller compared to mine. My mallet may be too long but what about the other part which is stock? Or is it just an illusion?

I also notice that my rear BDS coils look different. While other coils have a narrow bottom, mine seems to be larger. The top end may be larger too, can't see it now. Does that cause shifting?



Looking at the photos here, I would almost have to say that the spring in photo A is missing the top isolator, which is allowing the spring to slide around up top. I could be wrong, could be the angle, but it just doesn't look like it's there at all.
Author:  resistance [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
The rear thumping sound is gone:) The rear bumpstops were too long and I cut them by half.

I have the same sound in the front at some strong bumps though. I still couldn't switch to longer Teraflex bumpstops yet. Could it be that?
Author:  VoodooMann [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Resistance is LIFTED plus MAN TIRES:) (with some questio
It is probably your UCA contacting your springs
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