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Author:  krb [ Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:07 am ]
Post subject:  Spare key?
First off, I've never had a vehicle this new, with a chip in the fob - or even a fob for that matter or whatever you call it!

With this absurd auto-lock function (I've read the Dealership can disable this since I don't have the overhead display?) I'd like to have a spare key hidden away on the chance that I lock myself out. Must I get a whole fob with chip just to unlock the door? I tried a plain hardware store copy but it won't go all the way into the door lock (too thick?).

I assume this is nothing new to most of youall.

Many thanks,
Author:  WWDiesel [ Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:15 am ]
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They must have sold you the wrong key!
You should be able to purchase a blank spare key, have it cut, and hide or tote it in your wallet that will unlock the door only!
You can never use this key to start engine as it does not have the chip in it. If you ever stick it in the ignition and try and start the engine, the computer will lockout the start system...

You can go to a Chrysler dealer and purchase a spare (non-Fob) key that has the chip in it and get them to cut and program the key for a small charge.
If you have two working keys currently, you can self program a new key following a certain sequence. If you need the instructions, let me know, I have them on file and have used them myself to program two new keys and it works!

I purchased a blank key at Lowes, had them cut it, and I keep it on a keyring on my belt at all times in case my little dog locks the doors with the key Fob in the ignition. It has happened! :roll:
This way I can leave the engine running with AC on in the hot summertime to keep puppy dog cool, lock the doors, and use spare key to unlock when I return.

One thing I discovered, if you get in the habit of always using your key Fob to lock the doors after you exit the vehicle, you will never lock yourself out with the key in the vehicle! :wink:
Author:  GordnadoCRD [ Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:38 pm ]
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Ilco makes a plain brass key that you can have duplicated from your FOB/Chip key. It will unlock your door, and unlock (turn) the ignition. Your vehicle will start and run for a second or two then quit. Any proper locksmith store can do this for you. http://www.findalocksmith.com/search.aspx
Author:  WWDiesel [ Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:45 pm ]
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GordnadoCRD wrote:
Ilco makes a plain brass key that you can have duplicated from your FOB/Chip key. It will unlock your door, and unlock (turn) the ignition. Your vehicle will start and run for a second or two then quit. Any proper locksmith store can do this for you. http://www.findalocksmith.com/search.aspx

My understanding is that if you try and start the engine like two or three times with a NON-chipped key, the OBC will lock out the start system and even your chipped key then will not function. Doing this will require a dealer or certified locksmith to reset the system to allow your chipset to start the vehicle. :roll:

Bottom line, if you have a NON-chipped key, DO NOT try to use it in the ignition switch!!!! :grim:
Author:  krb [ Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:23 am ]
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Ah, good to know. Guess my hardware guy just used the wrong blank - both times...
I'll try a different shop or maybe a locksmith next time.

Many thanks,
Author:  GordnadoCRD [ Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:13 pm ]
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WWDiesel wrote:
GordnadoCRD wrote:
Ilco makes a plain brass key that you can have duplicated from your FOB/Chip key. It will unlock your door, and unlock (turn) the ignition. Your vehicle will start and run for a second or two then quit. Any proper locksmith store can do this for you. http://www.findalocksmith.com/search.aspx

My understanding is that if you try and start the engine like two or three times with a NON-chipped key, the OBC will lock out the start system and even your chipped key then will not function. Doing this will require a dealer or certified locksmith to reset the system to allow your chipset to start the vehicle. :roll:

Bottom line, if you have a NON-chipped key, DO NOT try to use it in the ignition switch!!!! :grim:

<=== CPL 1998-2013

I never came across a Mopar vehicle that behaved that way. Anyone with a non-chipped key shouldn't be trying to start with it, it's just for opening the door or need to unlock the steering when towing. The security chip check happens just before engine light goes off. It will start and run 1-3 seconds then turn off if the security check fails.
Fords using PATS or later won't even crank.
Most others will crank but not fire. The individual little weirdnesses take 2 books nearly 2" thick to detail, at $150 for the set, and that was in 2012 for the last set I bought. I still have them somewhere in storage, but I couldn't tell you where right now if my life depended on it.

VW went to a system that even the dealers can't program keys, but you have to take the rig to a stealership. They hook up a machine with a dedicated internet connection and it's done online from the factory.

Toyota / Lexus were the worst for a while, and still pretty spendy. With a new rig, you get 2 "master-chip" keys. You can't tell them apart from any other keys, only the vehicle can. You can duplicate those keys if you have them, but if both are lost, in order to get it to run right you had to replace the security module, and program new keys into it. When new, the module was only available from the stealership at over $800. New keys and programming was extra. Plus the labor to pull the darn thing out. Some computer savvy folks came up with a hardware+software kit where you could take the security module apart, and re-flash the security eprom back to factory new settings. Dealer prices came down pretty sharply after that.
Author:  WWDiesel [ Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spare key?
GordnadoCRD wrote:
WWDiesel wrote:
My understanding is that if you try and start the engine like two or three times with a NON-chipped key, the OBC will lock out the start system and even your chipped key then will not function. Doing this will require a dealer or certified locksmith to reset the system to allow your chipset to start the vehicle. :roll:
Bottom line, if you have a NON-chipped key, DO NOT try to use it in the ignition switch!!!! :grim:

<=== CPL 1998-2013
I never came across a Mopar vehicle that behaved that way. Anyone with a non-chipped key shouldn't be trying to start with it, it's just for opening the door or need to unlock the steering when towing. The security chip check happens just before engine light goes off. It will start and run 1-3 seconds then turn off if the security check fails.
Fords using PATS or later won't even crank.
Most others will crank but not fire. The individual little weirdnesses take 2 books nearly 2" thick to detail, at $150 for the set, and that was in 2012 for the last set I bought. I still have them somewhere in storage, but I couldn't tell you where right now if my life depended on it.
VW went to a system that even the dealers can't program keys, but you have to take the rig to a stealership. They hook up a machine with a dedicated internet connection and it's done online from the factory.
Toyota / Lexus were the worst for a while, and still pretty spendy. With a new rig, you get 2 "master-chip" keys. You can't tell them apart from any other keys, only the vehicle can. You can duplicate those keys if you have them, but if both are lost, in order to get it to run right you had to replace the security module, and program new keys into it. When new, the module was only available from the stealership at over $800. New keys and programming was extra. Plus the labor to pull the darn thing out. Some computer savvy folks came up with a hardware+software kit where you could take the security module apart, and re-flash the security eprom back to factory new settings. Dealer prices came down pretty sharply after that.

Dang Gordon, you really muddied up that water!!! :roll: :lol:

If you don't believe it functions that way on our Jeeps; stick a non-chipped key in YOUR ignition switch and try and start it at least three (3) times in succession and let us know how it turns out!
I know I sure as heck am not going to test it just to find out how it works or doesn't!!!

:goink: :POPCORN:
Author:  GordnadoCRD [ Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spare key?
What's the point of trying to start it with a non-chipped key :?: You already know it won't work.
Author:  krb [ Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:32 am ]
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What ever happened to the good ole days of floor push button starters? My very first Jeep, a 1962 Willys CJ-3B actually, had a floor button. Course it had a key-on power switch but it worked with just about anything you stuck it in.

While on the "subject", what replacement battery does the fob take?
Author:  GordnadoCRD [ Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:02 pm ]
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The fob will have the battery type/size listed. If it's been rubbed off or is unreadable, you can pop it open and look at the battery it's self.

When you change the battery don't handle it with bare hands. the oils from your skin are conductive, and will cut the battery life by 1/2 or less.

If you were to change to a floor button engine starter, it would probably be a pretty effective security measure, since no one trying to steal it wouldn't think of that nowadays.
Author:  krb [ Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:36 am ]
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Ha ha, true. Just like hand crank windows...
I'll pop open the case and see.
Thanks for the help folks,
Author:  Liberty for All [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:53 pm ]
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GordnadoCRD wrote:
Ilco makes a plain brass key that you can have duplicated from your FOB/Chip key. It will unlock your door, and unlock (turn) the ignition. Your vehicle will start and run for a second or two then quit. Any proper locksmith store can do this for you. http://www.findalocksmith.com/search.aspx


This is True. I know Jeep dealerships will program their key fobs for you but not sure if a competent Locksmith can.
:arrow:
Author:  WWDiesel [ Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Spare key?
Liberty for All wrote:
GordnadoCRD wrote:
Ilco makes a plain brass key that you can have duplicated from your FOB/Chip key. It will unlock your door, and unlock (turn) the ignition. Your vehicle will start and run for a second or two then quit. Any proper locksmith store can do this for you. http://www.findalocksmith.com/search.aspx

This is True. I know Jeep dealerships will program their key fobs for you but not sure if a competent Locksmith can.
:arrow:

A competent "Certified" locksmith should be able to cut any key and program key fobs! I know this for a fact; we used one all the time at the Nissan Dealership where I worked for a while to cut keys and supply a second key fob for used vehicles when they were bought at sales and only came with one key or key fob. The locksmith we used had computerized equipment onboard in his van and could do GM, Chrysler, Ford, Toyota, Mercedes Benz, and most any other vehicle etc... He could cut keys and program FOB's simply by using the VIN number when a vehicle was brought in on a wrecker when the owner had totally lost all his keys or FOB's... Believe me it happened!! :roll:
Price was not cheap, but he was very good at what he did!!! :wink:
Author:  GordnadoCRD [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:28 am ]
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Liberty for All wrote:
This is True. I know Jeep dealerships will program their key fobs for you but not sure if a competent Locksmith can.
:arrow:

It would be a phenomenally incompetent locksmith who is unable.
Author:  jimf [ Sun Aug 09, 2020 12:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Spare key?
GordnadoCRD wrote:
What's the point of trying to start it with a non-chipped key :?: You already know it won't work.


Will the key go to acc to run the radio, windows, etc.?
Author:  Jett [ Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:41 pm ]
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jimf wrote:
GordnadoCRD wrote:
What's the point of trying to start it with a non-chipped key :?: You already know it won't work.


Will the key go to acc to run the radio, windows, etc.?

I would guess yes, but cant say for sure. On my sprinter, which is same parent company, the non chip key will do everything except actually start the engine.
Author:  SanbornNoah [ Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:46 pm ]
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Can a locksmith provide a new spare key for those jeeps?
Author:  SanbornNoah [ Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:34 am ]
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SanbornNoah wrote:
Can a locksmith provide a new spare key for those jeeps?
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