Resonable CRD Pricing

mass-hole · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:53 pm

Hi Everyone, I am new here and am in the process of trying to find a Liberty CRD. I live in Massachusetts where CRD's were not sold new so they are somewhat rare around here. Using cars.com I searched within 250 miles and found ~10. They all seem to be priced around NADA bluebook value, between $10k and $13.5k depending on the mileage. Then there is one that has 58000 miles which is only 5 miles from my house. The dealer wants $16000. NADA puts this vehicle at $13525. I went in today to try to talk this guy down but he refuses to budge an inch and proceeded to lecture me about how bluebook values mean nothing. I guess i think that price is ridiculous when you can find examples with 70-75k miles for $12900. Am I wrong?

MedicPatriot · **Posted:** Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:18 pm

mass-hole wrote:

Hi Everyone, I am new here and am in the process of trying to find a Liberty CRD. I live in Massachusetts where CRD's were not sold new so they are somewhat rare around here. Using cars.com I searched within 250 miles and found ~10. They all seem to be priced around NADA bluebook value, between $10k and $13.5k depending on the mileage. Then there is one that has 58000 miles which is only 5 miles from my house. The dealer wants $16000. NADA puts this vehicle at $13525. I went in today to try to talk this guy down but he refuses to budge an inch and proceeded to lecture me about how bluebook values mean nothing. I guess i think that price is ridiculous when you can find examples with 70-75k miles for $12900. Am I wrong?

Well...considering it has only 58k it could go for more...but not $16K. I agree that the BBv is probably accurate here.

I own one with 84,000 miles and carmax had one listed with more for 15,500!!! Crazy. I am thinking about selling mine but I know I would never get anywhere near that much. Some dealer pricers are just not realistic. If they don't come down...walk away.

dirtmover · **Posted:** Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:38 am

You would appear to be correct but this dealer probably hasn't had it on his lot for long and experience tells him that he's likely to find some mug that hasn't done his homework and he can convince to pay a premium for a diesel vehicle.

By waiting it out you can maybe prove him wrong but more likely if you're not prepared to pay his price you're gonna have to walk away from this one and look further afield.

mass-hole · **Posted:** Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:05 pm

dirtmover wrote:

You would appear to be correct but this dealer probably hasn't had it on his lot for long and experience tells him that he's likely to find some mug that hasn't done his homework and he can convince to pay a premium for a diesel vehicle.

By waiting it out you can maybe prove him wrong but more likely if you're not prepared to pay his price you're gonna have to walk away from this one and look further afield.

He didn't even bother to counter me. He said no, so I walked out. I think your right though, he is waiting for someone who doesnt know any better to come along. I can't see that happening since I doubt many people know about it, and those that do probably are more informed than the average buyer. I will wait and see.

MedicPatriot · **Posted:** Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:28 pm

I'm sure you can find one on craigslist or something. Or you can come down to Baltimore and check mine out so I can get the new Jetta TDI I always wanted. :mrgreen:

No seriously, I would hunt on craigslist. Like I said, I had found one at carmax for about $15k with a lot of miles on it. I don't know who they think they are kidding.

minisub · **Posted:** Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:53 pm

mass-hole wrote:

dirtmover wrote:

You would appear to be correct but this dealer probably hasn't had it on his lot for long and experience tells him that he's likely to find some mug that hasn't done his homework and he can convince to pay a premium for a diesel vehicle.

By waiting it out you can maybe prove him wrong but more likely if you're not prepared to pay his price you're gonna have to walk away from this one and look further afield.

He didn't even bother to counter me. He said no, so I walked out. I think your right though, he is waiting for someone who doesnt know any better to come along. I can't see that happening since I doubt many people know about it, and those that do probably are more informed than the average buyer. I will wait and see.

Don't count on it. Same scenario happened with me. I offered a couple grand premium over my target price to account for Limited trim, not spending a whole weekend screwing around getting a vehicle 300 miles away, and relatively low mileage. Flat out said no, the ask was the price.

Sure enough, it was gone 2-3 weeks later, so they got someone to bite. No matter, 6 months later found the one I have at my target that had 1500 worth of documented pre-sale work done at a different dealer with a great sales experience. Interestingly, the first dealer was not Chrysler, the second was.

DOC4444 · **Posted:** Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:07 pm

I am in the Central Mass area. I strongly advise that you determine if the unique combination of characteristics of the KJ CRD is something you almost cannot live without and, as such, are prepared to go to much greater lengths than normal to keep it going.

We now know that except for those rare few that have been run most of their lives with a GDE tune, you are looking at a top end overhaul around 100K miles.

If you would like to try ours, PM me.

DOC

mass-hole · **Posted:** Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:10 pm

MedicPatriot wrote:

I'm sure you can find one on craigslist or something. Or you can come down to Baltimore and check mine out so I can get the new Jetta TDI I always wanted. :mrgreen:

No seriously, I would hunt on craigslist. Like I said, I had found one at carmax for about $15k with a lot of miles on it. I don't know who they think they are kidding.

Details? I will be in Richmond the first week in July for a wedding.

MedicPatriot · **Posted:** Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:36 am

mass-hole wrote:

MedicPatriot wrote:

I'm sure you can find one on craigslist or something. Or you can come down to Baltimore and check mine out so I can get the new Jetta TDI I always wanted. :mrgreen:

No seriously, I would hunt on craigslist. Like I said, I had found one at carmax for about $15k with a lot of miles on it. I don't know who they think they are kidding.

Details? I will be in Richmond the first week in July for a wedding.

2005 CRD...84xxx miles. I'm still working on fixing the annoying ABS sensor that just took a crap on me. I just replaced the alternator because the clutch was making chirping noises. Now it sounds fine. I had one major repair and it was because I let a failing water pump go on for too long and it seized up, jumping the timing. This means timing belt job has been done and new rockers have been replaced. If you look in my "Thinking about selling" thread, the forum agrees that this is a good thing for a buyer since you don't have to worry about TB replacement or rockers failing in the future. Front tires are getting kind of low on tread. Other then that it is looking good.

Anyways, you can see my full write up in the for sale section. I like the vehicle but it was a gift from a family member who is sadly now deceased, and I would like to sell to buy something of my choosing or keep my other car and use this to move out of my parents house.

mass-hole · **Posted:** Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:47 am

DOC4444 wrote:

I am in the Central Mass area. I strongly advise that you determine if the unique combination of characteristics of the KJ CRD is something you almost cannot live without and, as such, are prepared to go to much greater lengths than normal to keep it going.

We now know that except for those rare few that have been run most of their lives with a GDE tune, you are looking at a top end overhaul around 100K miles.

If you would like to try ours, PM me.

DOC

Would this hold true for one with 58k miles assuming i get some good oil in it and put the tune on/Vent the CCV? The one im looking at seems to have a very good service record so I think that at least the oil was changed pretty consistently.

MedicPatriot · **Posted:** Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:24 pm

mass-hole wrote:

DOC4444 wrote:

I am in the Central Mass area. I strongly advise that you determine if the unique combination of characteristics of the KJ CRD is something you almost cannot live without and, as such, are prepared to go to much greater lengths than normal to keep it going.

We now know that except for those rare few that have been run most of their lives with a GDE tune, you are looking at a top end overhaul around 100K miles.

If you would like to try ours, PM me.

DOC

Would this hold true for one with 58k miles assuming i get some good oil in it and put the tune on/Vent the CCV? The one im looking at seems to have a very good service record so I think that at least the oil was changed pretty consistently.

I don't know. The only thing I can say is *you'll find out*. Some have been saying that maybe the rockers themselves have been at fault and that maybe they are weak to begin with. Some have driven high mileages with no issues at all...hell I think one guy made it to 200k on the original timing belt (before it broke) :shock:

. Others have done everything right and still had rockers fail at higher mileages. Either way I still would recommend the right oil and a tune. I think you would have a while to go before you have to worry anyway.

That's kind of why I am almost parking mine until I can afford to get the GDE tune. Since my rockers are brand new, I want to keep them going for a long time with the tune.

jlgail4309 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:17 pm

That price is over the moon high. I would go back in a couple of days. Make your offer again. Make sure you talk to a diff person. You have one shipped to you also.

mk38tech · **Joined:** Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:25 pm **Posts:** 72

anyone tried a free spin alternator? i want to try one. its only 110 amps but if it stops this... replacing the tensioner every year doo doo, then it will be worth the price. i just replaced my tensioner 3 months ago and its already starting to go. i dont even want to screw with replacing the clutch, doesn't seem worth it to me

05REDCRD · **Posted:** Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:36 pm

Purchased mine for less than $8k less than a month ago. There was some arguing about whether the TB had been done and that was my leverage to get him down another 2 grand.

mass-hole · **Posted:** Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:18 pm

The CRD I was looking at is still there, and the guy has not changed the price. I have not gone in to talk to him about price again, but my guess is that he wont budge.

DadsDiesel · **Posted:** Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:52 am

mass-hole wrote:

The CRD I was looking at is still there, and the guy has not changed the price. I have not gone in to talk to him about price again, but my guess is that he wont budge.

I bought mine at 1400 Motors in Nashua, NH in 2007. - I got transfered to NC a few years ago and took the Libby with me. She just rolled over 90K miles and compared to most here, I have had little trouble with her.

As for that price on the one you are looking at, the guy is out of his mind! DON'T give him anywhere near the asking price. Just ask to talk to the "manager," give him your name and number on a piece of paper and tell him good luck at that price and when he is really ready to sell it, you will be happy to negotiate a REAL fair price. He is about 5K high for a real "dealer retail" price.

A few questions, What is the trim level, Limited or Sport? Sun Roof? New tires? Then there are all of the maintenance questions.

My guess is, depending on where he got it from (trade-in vs. auction) the guy either gave someone too much trade in price for some other Chrysler POS (oh, did I say that out loud?) or he got it at auction, does not know the Liberty CRD at all and is trying to make a killing.

Either way,even with 58K on the clock, $16,000 is waaayyyy too much.

To put it into perspective, even with low miles of 58K here is a short (although not complete) list of things to do IMMEDIATELY once purchased.
1. Change oil and filter to (at least) Mobil 1 5w-40 Diesel Truck oil and a decent filter
2. Air filter (unless you know for a fact it has just been changed.
3. Fuel filter - it most likely has the gen 1 filter head, so go ahead and change the filter and head to the gen 2 (they come as a set)
4. Check recall list make sure all are done PRIOR to buying it.
5. Do the ORM. Or if you are allergic to CEL lights strongly consider Green Diesel ECO tune.

Anything else others can think of? I think the NOOB guide is the best to follow, but I wanted to give you an idea of what to expect right out of the chute.

Hexus · **Posted:** Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:35 am

Change out the CAC Hose as well as both Intercooler hoses. OEM new at minimum, SAMCO/Mishimoto if you like spending $.

New Radiator Hoses throughout (Age)

Upgrade Oil Filter to Napa Gold 1515.

GDE Tune

Replace Fan Clutch (Nylon Fan Optional)

Timing Belt Service (Due to age)

Etecno Glow Plugs (OR) 5v Conversion Glow Plugs

mass-hole · **Posted:** Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:05 pm

DadsDiesel wrote:

mass-hole wrote:

The CRD I was looking at is still there, and the guy has not changed the price. I have not gone in to talk to him about price again, but my guess is that he wont budge.

I bought mine at 1400 Motors in Nashua, NH in 2007. - I got transfered to NC a few years ago and took the Libby with me. She just rolled over 90K miles and compared to most here, I have had little trouble with her.

As for that price on the one you are looking at, the guy is out of his mind! DON'T give him anywhere near the asking price. Just ask to talk to the "manager," give him your name and number on a piece of paper and tell him good luck at that price and when he is really ready to sell it, you will be happy to negotiate a REAL fair price. He is about 5K high for a real "dealer retail" price.

A few questions, What is the trim level, Limited or Sport? Sun Roof? New tires? Then there are all of the maintenance questions.

My guess is, depending on where he got it from (trade-in vs. auction) the guy either gave someone too much trade in price for some other Chrysler POS (oh, did I say that out loud?) or he got it at auction, does not know the Liberty CRD at all and is trying to make a killing.

Either way,even with 58K on the clock, $16,000 is waaayyyy too much.

To put it into perspective, even with low miles of 58K here is a short (although not complete) list of things to do IMMEDIATELY once purchased.
1. Change oil and filter to (at least) Mobil 1 5w-40 Diesel Truck oil and a decent filter
2. Air filter (unless you know for a fact it has just been changed.
3. Fuel filter - it most likely has the gen 1 filter head, so go ahead and change the filter and head to the gen 2 (they come as a set)
4. Check recall list make sure all are done PRIOR to buying it.
5. Do the ORM. Or if you are allergic to CEL lights strongly consider Green Diesel ECO tune.

Anything else others can think of? I think the NOOB guide is the best to follow, but I wanted to give you an idea of what to expect right out of the chute.

I read through the NOOB guide and got the basics. Although I forgot to but the "I read the noob guide" picture in my sig.

It is a Sport, no sunroof but does have aluminum wheels. I dont think it has the tow package as it does not have a factory hitch. It is very clean both inside and out. The vehicle was locally owned and serviced at one dealer its entire life and it seems that they got it service at all the standard intervals according to carfax, so it was well taken care of.

The guy does know what it is, it is a smaller private dealer and he tends to have somewhat unique vehicles so he knows his stuff. His lot has GTOs, Lancer Evos, 3000GT's, Z06's etc. He told me this is the nicest one i will find(which i dont doubt) and therefore it is worth the price.

mswarbrick · **Joined:** Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:36 pm **Posts:** 14

I got my 05 for $6500. Had 150,000 miles on it. Cost me $700 to get the timing belt and water pump changed and $500 for the eco-tune.

turbobike · **Posted:** Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:11 am

you still looking ? I have an '05 Limited with 119,000 miles on it. Timing belt service was done at 100,000 miles and included: timing belt, belt tensioner, all pulleys, accessory belt and tensioner, water pump, thermostat, new radiator, SAMCO hoses, EGR coolant hoses. EGR valve replaced earlier as were 2 ABS sensors. I have owned last 4 yrs/40,000 miles and have all service records. Oil changed every 5,000 miles with either Mobil 1 or Rotella T6. New battery & hood lift supports. To my knowledge, truck has never been off-road. Former owner used as a commuter vehicle, and my wife just uses it to run her errands. Took one long trip--reached 32 mpg.
I'm in western Connecticut.
Was asking $10,000. Will let it go for $9,000

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