About ready to pull the trigger on a new 05, questions.....

onthehunt · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 7:20 pm

I may have overpayed a little but the higher interest rates you will pay for financing a "used" car will even it out. Banks will not finance it as a "new" car after the model year is over. At least not in this state!!

Guest · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 7:40 pm

RFCRD wrote:

having to financing at least $6K with DC for 4 months (a rebate thing) as the best they could do.

Essentially the same for me with the financing to get the $1000 for going through them. Dealership told me a minimum of 3 months to keep rebate. Other dealerships told me 4, and 6 months. Figured out it was an industry BS to make a few extra bucks. I called Chrysler Financial directly after the first month and they said there is no hold requirement as the rebate is made at the time of purchase and can not be taken away. They said I could pay off immediately, so I did, and no repercussions.

This is why we don't trust american cars that much. There are lies supported all the way up the chain of command at american car makers/dealers...

Goglio704 · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 7:46 pm

My credit union financed it as new even though it was the previous model year. I didn't get 0% apr, but I'm not getting raped on interest either.

Guest · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 7:51 pm

Goglio704 wrote:

Mine stickered a little higher than that, but when it was over it was 8400 less than sticker. I was happy. In case you didn't know, the 05 has the 7/70 warranty. 06 has 3/36. Most significant difference in an 06 is the electronic traction control and side curtain airbag availability if memory serves. Some of this is slipping away now that I'm not shopping anymore. If I had it to do over I might have bought the extended warranty. I don't do that normally, but I'm afraid there are some bugs to be worked out.

Mine was one of the rare late model '05s that came with the head side curtain airbag option - that was one of my must have items which made my '05 that much more tempting when I found it. My credit union told me they will finance any vehicle as new as long as it has not been titled yet from the time of factory delivery... I think credit unions are quite flexible!

Guest · **Posted:** Tue May 02, 2006 7:55 pm

Wilmo wrote:

spoonplugger1 wrote:

The stuff you hear about problems is a minority of the owners out there.
Look at the posts, they are about problems or ways of modifying the rigs. You don't see many exalting the virtues of a rig that just purrs along with no problems.
I appear to have such a rig, the EGR code came up while test driving the rig and they put a new one in before I recieved it, my rig hasn't overheated in the summer with or without a load, the tranny doesn't stutter, and the tranny hasn't sent me overheating signal of any kind, on or off the road, no matter the load or hill in overdrive.
The diesel truck forums have always also had the same mix, they are not all problem free either, and they were a real bear in their early years. We have it easy compared to those first owners.

yeah but still the Petrol Kj's don't complain about any of these issues......I'd buy Petrol if I had my time again. Less weight, more lift options that work available, more reliability, only downside is the fuel consumption.

and overheating due to only an electric fan that fails frequently, as well as O2 sensor problems, transmission problems, ect. ect. ect. the list goes on and on if you look into it far enough...

valkraider · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 11:49 am

alljeep wrote:

[I could have really used the money for my family and almost feel guilty - like I've taken away something from my kids.

If you honestly feel that way you should never buy ANYTHING.

Because prices always fall as newer models are introduced... With the exception of collectors items of course...

I paid $350 for a DVD player with progressive scan, and now you can get them for $39 on sale during the holidays.

I always tell people - if you want something, just wait to buy until a month after me cause thats when the price drops....

But seriously. Just get what you think is a fair deal at the time, and buy what you want... Then go use it, and forget about the purchase.

Sure, now I could get a 2005 for $8000 less than what I paid. But I have been using and enjoying my CRD for 12000 miles, and I am extremely happy... If I had waited I would have been stuck with my POS 2002 Chevy Venture Van that was falling apart for this last year... That in itself was worth $8000 to me.

valkraider · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 11:52 am

alljeep wrote:

Goglio704 wrote:

Mine stickered a little higher than that, but when it was over it was 8400 less than sticker. I was happy. In case you didn't know, the 05 has the 7/70 warranty. 06 has 3/36. Most significant difference in an 06 is the electronic traction control and side curtain airbag availability if memory serves. Some of this is slipping away now that I'm not shopping anymore. If I had it to do over I might have bought the extended warranty. I don't do that normally, but I'm afraid there are some bugs to be worked out.

Mine was one of the rare late model '05s that came with the head side curtain airbag option - that was one of my must have items which made my '05 that much more tempting when I found it. My credit union told me they will finance any vehicle as new as long as it has not been titled yet from the time of factory delivery... I think credit unions are quite flexible!

Are they really that rare? All ove the ones I looked at in May 2005 had the side impact airbags. Are we talking about two different types of airbags? It was one of the options I insisted on as well....

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed May 03, 2006 12:02 pm

As of May 2005 around here CRDs in general were rare. I looked in a 300 mile radius just to find 6 or 7 of them. Finding one with side airbags was like finding a needle in a haystack. Mine doesn't have them but it wasn't a must have option for me.

Guest · **Posted:** Thu May 04, 2006 7:06 am

valkraider wrote:

alljeep wrote:

Goglio704 wrote:

Mine stickered a little higher than that, but when it was over it was 8400 less than sticker. I was happy. In case you didn't know, the 05 has the 7/70 warranty. 06 has 3/36. Most significant difference in an 06 is the electronic traction control and side curtain airbag availability if memory serves. Some of this is slipping away now that I'm not shopping anymore. If I had it to do over I might have bought the extended warranty. I don't do that normally, but I'm afraid there are some bugs to be worked out.

Mine was one of the rare late model '05s that came with the head side curtain airbag option - that was one of my must have items which made my '05 that much more tempting when I found it. My credit union told me they will finance any vehicle as new as long as it has not been titled yet from the time of factory delivery... I think credit unions are quite flexible!

Are they really that rare? All ove the ones I looked at in May 2005 had the side impact airbags. Are we talking about two different types of airbags? It was one of the options I insisted on as well....

Other than the dealership I went to, I could not find any within 900 miles at the end of September in 2005. At this one dealership, they all had them. Just how they placed their orders. As for the rebates - the $4500 undeclared one should bother you as well. It just undermines the entire price schedule and residual values. I don't plan on selling mine, but if someone crashes into me, my insurance company will only pay for the new devalued prices for the 2005 models.

RFCRD · **Posted:** Thu May 04, 2006 2:17 pm

alljeep wrote:

RFCRD wrote:

having to financing at least $6K with DC for 4 months (a rebate thing) as the best they could do.

Essentially the same for me with the financing to get the $1000 for going through them. Dealership told me a minimum of 3 months to keep rebate. Other dealerships told me 4, and 6 months. Figured out it was an industry BS to make a few extra bucks. I called Chrysler Financial directly after the first month and they said there is no hold requirement as the rebate is made at the time of purchase and can not be taken away. They said I could pay off immediately, so I did, and no repercussions.

This is why we don't trust american cars that much. There are lies supported all the way up the chain of command at american car makers/dealers...

I just wanted it financed on my home equity account for the tax write-off. This dealer didn't at all like the idea of "I'm writing you a check, cut the crap" talk. Already paid off the balance, dealer called in a panic wanting to know if I was trading it in. Have worked in the finance business, they do make a few bucks on it but it's primarily used as tool to monitor for their customer's next purchase.

gsbrockman · **Posted:** Thu May 04, 2006 9:45 pm

Wilmo wrote:

The inherent complexity of the diesel (turbo etc) also makes it less of a long term reliable proposition when compared to a pretty unsophisticated 6 cylinder petrol engine in the other KJ. I would buy a petrol, 6 speed manual probably next time.

Tell that to an owner of a 12V 5.9L Dodge/Cummins Turbo Diesel owner. The inline 5.9L "B-Series" CTD's will last and last and last...............even the newer 24V's (2nd GEN) and HPCR (3rd GEN) CTD's are holding their own. The CTD is most likely the most popular tow rig in the United States......so many can be seen on the Interstates delivering RV's all across the USA.
Greg

oldnavy · **Posted:** Thu May 04, 2006 10:26 pm

Wilmo wrote:

no I don't tow things much - correct. Whilst I appreciate the torque the diesel has, the Petrol ones off-road just as well by all reports, and most people aren't towing with CRD's I dare say. I equate workhorse with reliability - where's the workhorse in having your CRD back in the dealers for a day each time getting things fixed, then putting up with the thought that at any moment your EGR could fail rendering your towing capacity greatly diminished because the car won't run properly. And then the dreaded Tranny Stutter.....I've had the TSB's and mine did it yesterday as I reported on another post.....mildly I must admit and it was the first time I had ever experienced it (I think you have to accelerate flat out then back off at precisely the correct cruising speed where the torque converter locks up for it to do it and I don't drive like that too often). The inherent complexity of the diesel (turbo etc) also makes it less of a long term reliable proposition when compared to a pretty unsophisticated 6 cylinder petrol engine in the other KJ. I would buy a petrol, 6 speed manual probably next time.

This statement is very funny, just shows his knowledge of engines in general. Wonder if his driving skills match. :wink:

Most small truck or auto diesels are designed for 350k to 500k mile life span with proper care and usually the turbo makes it the same distance. I read a engineering review couple of years ago about the VNT and its lifespan was estimated to be 1/2 the life of standard turbo and only rated it for 250k to 300k miles. So I guess there is some truth to the lack of reliability. The statement about complexity of the diesel is really a hoot since the diesel engine has far fewer parts and requires far less maintance then a gas engine, they are far more thermal effiecent, run cooler producing less oil stress failures then a gas engine, to name a few major things. Gas engines are normally designed for 150k to 200k mile life span range, like anything else thesse figures can very greatly depending on care and sometimes just plain luck.

Wilmo · **Posted:** Fri May 05, 2006 1:05 am

oldnavy wrote:

This statement is very funny, just shows his knowledge of engines in general. Wonder if his driving skills match. :wink:

Pull your head in mate, just cause they won't let you immigrate to the best place to live on earth.....tut tut! :-)

I know the mechanics of diesels vs petrol engines, I was referring to the turbo bolted on the side and associated plumbing - this needs to be maintained to keep them working properly. Petrol engines like the KJ's 6 have no turbo, so no added complexity in this regard. ie no intercooler, boost control circuitry, intake piping that pops off inlets, provent requirements for blowby, EGR (not that that is related to the turbo though) that fail etc etc etc.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Fri May 05, 2006 9:03 am

Wilmo wrote:

oldnavy wrote:

This statement is very funny, just shows his knowledge of engines in general. Wonder if his driving skills match. :wink:

Pull your head in mate, just cause they won't let you immigrate to the best place to live on earth.....tut tut! :-)

I know the mechanics of diesels vs petrol engines, I was referring to the turbo bolted on the side and associated plumbing - this needs to be maintained to keep them working properly. Petrol engines like the KJ's 6 have no turbo, so no added complexity in this regard. ie no intercooler, boost control circuitry, intake piping that pops off inlets, provent requirements for blowby, EGR (not that that is related to the turbo though) that fail etc etc etc.

Hate to bust your bubble but I never really want to live where you do because I have been there, I was just being nice. :roll:

However your knowledge of diesel and gas engines is truely poor and everytime you post you show that to those of us here who have worked on and owned both for many years. You sound to me as just some wacko who just likes to bash diesels due to a severe lack of knowledge and ability to understand what you are talking about or for some other silly reason, as in the intercooler and EGR and plumbing comments. If you had ever run a truck/auto service dept as I have you would know that diesels have far fewer problems and require far less attention and repairs. But you keep on flapping your inexperienced lip so that most of us here can keep laughing at your stupidity and blurred comments on engines. :lol:

Wilmo · **Posted:** Sun May 07, 2006 1:35 am

oldnavy wrote:

However your knowledge of diesel and gas engines is truely poor and everytime you post you show that to those of us here who have worked on and owned both for many years. You sound to me as just some wacko who just likes to bash diesels due to a severe lack of knowledge and ability to understand what you are talking about or for some other silly reason, as in the intercooler and EGR and plumbing comments. If you had ever run a truck/auto service dept as I have you would know that diesels have far fewer problems and require far less attention and repairs. But you keep on flapping your inexperienced lip so that most of us here can keep laughing at your stupidity and blurred comments on engines. :lol:

Don't know much about diesels do I? Hmm....I bought one didn't I? - for precisely the reliability that you espouse, but it doesn't seem that the KJ CRD is quite there yet in terms of reliability or teething problems now does it by going by the posts on this forum....

You don't like having your opinions questioned do you? When did you become god around here?

oldnavy · **Posted:** Sun May 07, 2006 7:42 am

Wilmo wrote:

oldnavy wrote:

However your knowledge of diesel and gas engines is truely poor and everytime you post you show that to those of us here who have worked on and owned both for many years. You sound to me as just some wacko who just likes to bash diesels due to a severe lack of knowledge and ability to understand what you are talking about or for some other silly reason, as in the intercooler and EGR and plumbing comments. If you had ever run a truck/auto service dept as I have you would know that diesels have far fewer problems and require far less attention and repairs. But you keep on flapping your inexperienced lip so that most of us here can keep laughing at your stupidity and blurred comments on engines. :lol:

Don't know much about diesels do I? Hmm....I bought one didn't I? - for precisely the reliability that you espouse, but it doesn't seem that the KJ CRD is quite there yet in terms of reliability or teething problems now does it by going by the posts on this forum....

You don't like having your opinions questioned do you? When did you become god around here?

Hahahahaha you're funny dude. I love your responce, it just proves my point. :lol:

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