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 Post subject: This affects you, 25% parts price increase legislation:
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:34 pm 
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Trying not to be click baity with the title, just needed a short title(sorry).

In short, legislation is being considered for a 25% Tariff on vehicles and parts produced outside the US. I encourage you to think about what that means for so much of what we put on our vehicles to keep it running.

If you wish to comment(deadline Jul 22), either for or against, or find out more information, you may do so by visiting this link:
https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=DOC-2018-0002

This is not meant as a political post and I ask other from refraining in making it one. It is about government legislation and how it affects us as CRD owners.

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Thanks Sam, that certainly could and may affect owners of RD owners trying to source parts from outside the US.... :roll:

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Thanks Sam, that certainly could and may affect owners of RD owners trying to source parts from outside the US.... :roll:


Yup. And with some many of our parts coming from out of the US its hard(well, not too hard) to think of something not affected.

Fuel and Oil filters maybe? Most of the parts in the timing belt kit come from the EU or Canada. An extra 25% on top of a timing belt kit doesn't sound fun.

Currently the timing belt kit is $400 from ID parts. Not knowing what their margins on parts are thats roughly a $100 increase.

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The only thing I hate more than paying extra for my living expenses is paying it to someone in another country. All of this offshoring of parts and products in no way helps the U.S. to dig itself out of the hole it is in. While I don't like the idea of having to pay more to keep the Jeep on the road (and I may not keep it much longer, anyway), I DO like the idea of supporting our own country and providing incentives to bring manufacturing back here. We've been on the losing end of deals like NAFTA for far too long. It is time to swing the pendulum back the other way.

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This effects everybody.
Every automobile assembly plant in the US, whether it be Ford, Chevy, Toyota, or BMW, has parts being imported from outside the US.

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I too have been watching this dark cloud.. I can't get VMSpecialist to even answer emails this week about an order request I placed 2 weeks ago. Not sure if it's related or not.

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flash7210 wrote:
This effects everybody.
Every automobile assembly plant in the US, whether it be Ford, Chevy, Toyota, or BMW, has parts being imported from outside the US.


Not saying it isn't. So a smart manufacturer would begin to question whether or not it is still worth it to import them, right? If this continues, it will certainly be wiser to return to state-side manufacturing. That doesn't just keep money here in the U.S., but it gives jobs to the people who need them which means there are more people to spend money on the products we make here. More people to spend money on food and drinks, entertainment, recreation, retail, etc. We might even, dare I say it, return to the glory that we were before we began the systematic dismantling of this country! :shock:

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APC9199 wrote:
Not saying it isn't. So a smart manufacturer would begin to question whether or not it is still worth it to import them, right? If this continues, it will certainly be wiser to return to state-side manufacturing. That doesn't just keep money here in the U.S., but it gives jobs to the people who need them which means there are more people to spend money on the products we make here. More people to spend money on food and drinks, entertainment, recreation, retail, etc. We might even, dare I say it, return to the glory that we were before we began the systematic dismantling of this country! :shock:

I too hate paying higher prices for imported goods and wish everything needed could be made and sold in the US.
It could also mean more people paying into the tax base as jobs increase or even paying higher income taxes as their income increases and that will help everyone in this country in the long term and make the country stronger...
In a perfect world there would be no tariffs and only free trade between countries and let the goods flow regulate itself based on price and demand! :2cents:
Back to reality! :banghead:

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APC9199 wrote:
flash7210 wrote:
This effects everybody.
Every automobile assembly plant in the US, whether it be Ford, Chevy, Toyota, or BMW, has parts being imported from outside the US.


Not saying it isn't. So a smart manufacturer would begin to question whether or not it is still worth it to import them, right? If this continues, it will certainly be wiser to return to state-side manufacturing. That doesn't just keep money here in the U.S., but it gives jobs to the people who need them which means there are more people to spend money on the products we make here. More people to spend money on food and drinks, entertainment, recreation, retail, etc. We might even, dare I say it, return to the glory that we were before we began the systematic dismantling of this country! :shock:


Not saying your wrong.
I can see having increased tariffs on importing whole complete vehicles, even 65% complete vehicles.
But the whole reason Toyota, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, and others started building cars in the US was because is was cheaper to ship crates of parts (tariffs and all) than whole vehicles. And now you can buy a new Toyota that was Made-in-the-USA by US workers.

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flash7210 wrote:
APC9199 wrote:
flash7210 wrote:
This effects everybody.
Every automobile assembly plant in the US, whether it be Ford, Chevy, Toyota, or BMW, has parts being imported from outside the US.


Not saying it isn't. So a smart manufacturer would begin to question whether or not it is still worth it to import them, right? If this continues, it will certainly be wiser to return to state-side manufacturing. That doesn't just keep money here in the U.S., but it gives jobs to the people who need them which means there are more people to spend money on the products we make here. More people to spend money on food and drinks, entertainment, recreation, retail, etc. We might even, dare I say it, return to the glory that we were before we began the systematic dismantling of this country! :shock:


Not saying your wrong.
I can see having increased tariffs on importing whole complete vehicles, even 65% complete vehicles.
But the whole reason Toyota, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, and others started building cars in the US was because is was cheaper to ship crates of parts (tariffs and all) than whole vehicles. And now you can buy a new Toyota that was Made-in-the-USA by US workers.


And I'm glad that those companies are employing U.S. workers, don't get me wrong. What I would rather see is those same employees working for American companies! All of the profit from the companies you listed goes directly to the parent companies in their respective countries, taking capital away from us. I want strong American automotive companies keeping people working AND keeping our GDP strong. Why pay Japan to keep us busy when we can pay US to keep us busy?! 8)

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All good points, and I would remind everyone that our little Jeeps have an Italian engine, german fuel system, Japanese electronics(various PCBs are made in Japan in the BCM cluster etc), Japanese Airbags, Canadian timing belt rollers, and who knows what else.

In the same vein the london taxis are built in England, use our Italian engine, and use the Chrysler 545RFE transmission. Adding 25% tariffs on all these parts increases costs for all.

Do you think Jeep can still be competitive if the cost to build a Jeep in the US for sale in Europe is higher? What if instead jeep shuts down some production here in the US and shifts production to the Graz Austria plant?

Its a complex issue and it cuts many ways. It may lead to new jobs in the US and also loosing Jobs in the US. Will it be a net gain? I do not know. Will it be a gain to the US GDP? I do not know.

What I can see immediately is the higher cost of parts for our vehicles, beyond that I feel like its speculation, with too many variables to figure out the full impact.

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Sir Sam wrote:
All good points, and I would remind everyone that our little Jeeps have an Italian engine, german fuel system, Japanese electronics(various PCBs are made in Japan in the BCM cluster etc), Japanese Airbags, Canadian timing belt rollers, and who knows what else.

In the same vein the london taxis are built in England, use our Italian engine, and use the Chrysler 545RFE transmission. Adding 25% tariffs on all these parts increases costs for all.

Do you think Jeep can still be competitive if the cost to build a Jeep in the US for sale in Europe is higher? What if instead jeep shuts down some production here in the US and shifts production to the Graz Austria plant?

Its a complex issue and it cuts many ways. It may lead to new jobs in the US and also loosing Jobs in the US. Will it be a net gain? I do not know. Will it be a gain to the US GDP? I do not know.

What I can see immediately is the higher cost of parts for our vehicles, beyond that I feel like its speculation, with too many variables to figure out the full impact.


History allows a certain amount of extrapolation in instances like this. I don't see how anyone can NOT see the result of offshoring our manufacturing. Anyone heard of Detroit? How about Pittsburgh? Want me to name 50 more? I know there are other factors that need to be addressed before we can return to a strong manufacturing environment in this country, but in my opinion, the answer is NEVER to "shift production" to anywhere outside our borders. To make it clear, I'm not against foreign automakers building vehicles here. The problem is that we can't even build our own vehicles here because of harsh environmental and safety regulations and soaring wages for entry level workers, not to mention the outrageous number of "administrators" and "managers" that we seem to have built into everything we do now. I can't even get checked out at the grocery store without three manager overrides anymore (sarcasm). I'm a strong proponent of environmental protections and don't ever want to compromise our planet for the sake of making a couple bucks, but organizations like the EPA are riddled with corruption and inefficiency and have proven not to be the answer ( I think us CRD owners can probably speak to that end, no?). Don't even get me started on the $15 minimum wage for "food service workers" (McDonalds, etc). The most powerful countries in the world are those who produce and export, not the other way around. The U.S. is still a leader in technology, but strengthening manufacturing would put is back on an upward trend globally instead of allowing other countries to close the gap between us. China is going to become a behemoth superpower and it is almost entirely because we bought every piece of trash product they could cram on a boat and send over here. The only ones who benefited from it are China and a couple of prominent people who's last name also starts with 'C'.

As for our Jeeps, I don't think anyone is under the impression that the CRD is an "American" vehicle (Although the Jeep Grand Cherokee is supposedly the "most American" vehicle of 2018!). It is simply impossible to find something that rivals it in terms of performance per dollar in an light-truck/SUV format in the U.S. I honestly can't think of what I would replace the CRD with today, if I HAD to. It would be "American" to whatever extend it possibly could be but it isn't easy to say what that is.

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Most of the ills described above can be summarized as “corporate greed.”
Or, conducting business in a manner that pleases your shareholders vs doing what’s right for your customers, your employees, and your community.

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 Post subject: Re: This affects you, 25% parts price increase legislation:
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I definitely agree with the "greed" part. Limiting it to "corporate", is perhaps overlooking that corporations are nothing more than "people" grouped together to do business as a legal entity. Greed - yes, but that applies to all of us, to some degree in some way.

Just my :2cents:

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