i'm almost there but am a tad nervous about all this egr and tsb talk. can anyone put my mind at ease. it seems my local dealer doesn't know much about the crd's seeing as though he didn't know he had one in the lot. i drove it and loved it but....thanks for helping a newbie out.

Pull the trigger, Pull the trigger, read through the posts here on the first page, you will know
the latest flash needed and other minor items. If the dealer is a stand behind you type of
dealership you will be fine.

_________________
2005 Silver Limited CRD 53,000 miles
GDE EcoTune / Trans tune
PML Differential Cover/Crankcase Mod
Tal & Hadas Grill Guard/TransGo Shift Kit
V-6 AirBox/Lunar Boost & EGT
Lund Cold Weather Grill Insert
OEM updated Filter Head, Cummins Lift Pump

If you can get a good buy and then find a dealer that has experience with Cummins & MB diesels I would go for the rig. Some of these problems are made more then what they should be due to poor dealer service and a lot of people not used to modern diesels and their quirks and problems.

_________________
91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

You should get a pretty good deal on an 05. I bought my new 05 less than two months ago and got something like 8,000 off the sticker.

_________________
Matt B.

05 Limited CRD. Bought it new. 112k on the clock now.

GDE Eco-tune, rear differential drain plug (drilled and tapped the pumpkin), transmission pan drain plug, Fumoto oil valve, fuel filler neck restriction removed, front hitch, Hayden fan clutch, Sears P1 battery since 08, Mobil 1 5w40, 5 volt glow plugs, DIY timing belt at 109k

sticker said 26K and his first number is 22K. i haven't even started to negotiate. you think i can get this under 20K? WOW1

Mine stickered a little higher than that, but when it was over it was 8400 less than sticker. I was happy. In case you didn't know, the 05 has the 7/70 warranty. 06 has 3/36. Most significant difference in an 06 is the electronic traction control and side curtain airbag availability if memory serves. Some of this is slipping away now that I'm not shopping anymore. If I had it to do over I might have bought the extended warranty. I don't do that normally, but I'm afraid there are some bugs to be worked out.

_________________
Matt B.

05 Limited CRD. Bought it new. 112k on the clock now.

GDE Eco-tune, rear differential drain plug (drilled and tapped the pumpkin), transmission pan drain plug, Fumoto oil valve, fuel filler neck restriction removed, front hitch, Hayden fan clutch, Sears P1 battery since 08, Mobil 1 5w40, 5 volt glow plugs, DIY timing belt at 109k

The stuff you hear about problems is a minority of the owners out there.
Look at the posts, they are about problems or ways of modifying the rigs. You don't see many exalting the virtues of a rig that just purrs along with no problems.
I appear to have such a rig, the EGR code came up while test driving the rig and they put a new one in before I recieved it, my rig hasn't overheated in the summer with or without a load, the tranny doesn't stutter, and the tranny hasn't sent me overheating signal of any kind, on or off the road, no matter the load or hill in overdrive.
The diesel truck forums have always also had the same mix, they are not all problem free either, and they were a real bear in their early years. We have it easy compared to those first owners.

_________________
No one knows as much as all of us.

yeah but still the Petrol Kj's don't complain about any of these issues......I'd buy Petrol if I had my time again. Less weight, more lift options that work available, more reliability, only downside is the fuel consumption.

_________________
2005 KJ CRD Cherokee (Liberty) Extreme Sport, ARB bar and IPF lights, Rocky Road Combo lift (Daystar 1.5inch spacer with RR strut top plate and factory springs) with OME struts (front), OME 947 with Rancho RSX17004 shocks (rear), all Mopar skid plates, Tow Hitch, BFG 245/70/16 AT's Pics.

You most not tow things much, if you did there is no comparison, the 3.7 has the same rated load, but it doesn't pull like the CRD. I've pulled my jetsled (heavy 3/16 inch walled shallow water aluminum boat), full size camp trailers, and a two horse trailer loaded with Tenessee Walkers and gear with zero problems. Diesels are workhorses, I bought it to do just that and offroading, otherwise I would have bought a high MPG car. If our Subarus were beefed up like yours are to tow, I may have bought one of those as I didn't expect having to tow a horse trailer.

_________________
No one knows as much as all of us.

Assume this is a near-zero mileage new CRD. In any case I would start to ask some questions. A good one would be "can I meet your CRD tech?" Dealer support is critical to owning this vehicle. If your CRD tech desn't have a clue, you will become dissappointed with your choice.

_________________
2005 Liberty Sport CRD, Lt Khaki, sunroof

Thankful to now be an EX-CRD owner.

I ordered my 2006 and paid $6000 less than sticker (including rebates). I'd like to see you get the leftover 2005 for $20K or less.

_________________
My Jeep Liberty page

ORM, air filter mod, and less restrictive exhaust has increased my 'everyday' driving 3 mpg.

Cut to the chase, it's a year old leftover regardless of the motor choice. Wouldn't give over $20K for one of these a year old. Didn't by chance check the build date?

_________________
2005 Liberty Sport CRD, Lt Khaki, sunroof

Thankful to now be an EX-CRD owner.

great info guys, i'll just keep reading. thanks again.

no I don't tow things much - correct. Whilst I appreciate the torque the diesel has, the Petrol ones off-road just as well by all reports, and most people aren't towing with CRD's I dare say. I equate workhorse with reliability - where's the workhorse in having your CRD back in the dealers for a day each time getting things fixed, then putting up with the thought that at any moment your EGR could fail rendering your towing capacity greatly diminished because the car won't run properly. And then the dreaded Tranny Stutter.....I've had the TSB's and mine did it yesterday as I reported on another post.....mildly I must admit and it was the first time I had ever experienced it (I think you have to accelerate flat out then back off at precisely the correct cruising speed where the torque converter locks up for it to do it and I don't drive like that too often). The inherent complexity of the diesel (turbo etc) also makes it less of a long term reliable proposition when compared to a pretty unsophisticated 6 cylinder petrol engine in the other KJ. I would buy a petrol, 6 speed manual probably next time.

_________________
2005 KJ CRD Cherokee (Liberty) Extreme Sport, ARB bar and IPF lights, Rocky Road Combo lift (Daystar 1.5inch spacer with RR strut top plate and factory springs) with OME struts (front), OME 947 with Rancho RSX17004 shocks (rear), all Mopar skid plates, Tow Hitch, BFG 245/70/16 AT's Pics.

When purchasing, look at the original invoice for someting like "HB." It's on the left side and is the Dealer Hold Back. It will have a number next to it. That # is the $$$ amount the dealer can play with. Mine was just about a grand. I got ALL of that back. I wouldn't let the dealer keep it. But then, I paid about full price as I bought when the CRD was still new, July of 05.

_________________
2005 Unlimited (LJ) Rubicon w/ 5.5" of total lift
Flat Fenders made by http://www.jpfaboffroad.com/

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

This is where you are wrong. One of the key reasons people buy turbo diesel vehicles is because they are known to be MORE reliable and last twice as long before needing major engine work done to them. There are diesel pickup trucks running around here with anywhere from 500,000 to 1,000,000 miles on them and only minor repairs done to the engines. Show me gasoline engines that will do that without being completely worn out with no compression. Turbo diesels last forever, get great mileage, tow better, and hold their resale value longer.

_________________

2005 Stone White KJ Limited CRD 4x4
Off-Road Pkg
Trac-Lok
Emu 790s/948s
Skyjacker H7088s rear/Bilsteins front
15x7 Black Rock Lobos/31x10.50 Firestones
GDE HOT Tune + TCM Tune
Euro TC
CB radio
Thrush Turbo muffler
AEM DryFlow filter

I hope you are right - the blocks, pistons etc yes, no questions.....but they also have more bits that fail and need maintenance......turbo/intercooler hoses wear out eventually, turbos do fail - some CRD owners have experienced this, EGR valve, Airflow valve(or whatever it is), turbo boost regulation hoses plug up with oil, so do boost control solenoids. The petrol engine is an inherently simpler design. And if you can get 300 000k's out of a petrol engine that's still pretty good going.

_________________
2005 KJ CRD Cherokee (Liberty) Extreme Sport, ARB bar and IPF lights, Rocky Road Combo lift (Daystar 1.5inch spacer with RR strut top plate and factory springs) with OME struts (front), OME 947 with Rancho RSX17004 shocks (rear), all Mopar skid plates, Tow Hitch, BFG 245/70/16 AT's Pics.

Left over '05 CRDs have an undeclared rebate from the factory to the dealer of $4500 (maybe even higher now) that started sometime in early 2006. You should be able to negotiate $800-$1200 below invoice, and THEN insist of the $4500 plus the current consumer rebates (I think $2500 right now).

When I got mine at the end of September, 2005 I only got $3,700 below sticker, and that was with MAJOR negotiating, fighting, and what not. I did get $1000 more for my trade than any other place, so consider me at at $4,700 discount. Two weeks later, consumer rebates went up another $1500. Now I'm just amazed at how much off people are getting. I could have really used the money for my family and almost feel guilty - like I've taken away something from my kids.

But who would have thought there would be this magic and invisible extra $4500? Usually if you wait until the 4th quarter of a year, you get the best deal - but in this one case, for most of us, it was far from the best.

I'm happy for those getting such discounts - at least we get more people into diesels that can spread the word how awesome they are!!! Does this undeclared rebate not bother anyone else as much as me? I can't stop feeling like I was robbed at gun point - maybe because at this point in my life with two very small children money is very tight, but seriously, I can't believe Jeep needed to offer the extra $4500 to sell these...

If you are not "pulling the trigger" on a new '05 with these savings, your crazy. You will never see a deal this good for the rest of your life on this type of vehicle...

Wow, I was thinking I got a good deal on my '05 CRD Limited (22,300) but from what I'm hearing here, I may have gotten screwed over again... darn.

On the bright side, I do LIKE the '05. I live in a pretty hilly area, so I only see 21-23MPG on average, but overall it's a great rig. Cant' wait to get the Predator chip next week...

I'd go for it if I were you. It's a good rig.

_________________
Lance Zielinski
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland CRD
2000 VW New Beetle GLS TDI (sold)
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited (sold)

When I got mine in early September, DC had no incentatives on the CRD. Don't recall the exact sticker, mid $26K range ('05 Sport 22C + sunroof). Gave them "take it or leave it" offer of $22,500 (no trade-in). Took them over 45 minutes and a lot of phone calls to come back with $23K with me having to financing at least $6K with DC for 4 months (a rebate thing) as the best they could do.

Still wouldn't give more than $20K, it's over a year old now.

_________________
2005 Liberty Sport CRD, Lt Khaki, sunroof

Thankful to now be an EX-CRD owner.