New CRD Owner with a couple of Questions

DragonDiesel · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:56 am

OldNavy- Where does the Rotella T Full Synthetic fall in all of this?

oldnavy · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:27 am

DragonDiesel wrote:

OldNavy- Where does the Rotella T Full Synthetic fall in all of this?

Apparently it doesn't, unless it is also know as Helix. There are other Shell oils listed, but not the Rotella T.

The really new stuff has Amsoil listed. I would say that the oils listed below would be fine in the CRD and most will find the Mobil 1 or Valvoline the easiest to find local and for those who like Amsoil then you will be safe using the Euro Car Formula 5w-40 oil. Myself I would rather stick with a 40w oil as in the Amsoil or Mobil 1 formula, and not the 30w oils listed below, just my prefference.

MB sheet 229.51 approved oils; low ash long life:

Mercedes pioneered this new spec for passenger cars with diesel engines with EURO 4 or Bluetec exhaust particle filters and longer service life than the 229.31 oils. The spec was introduced in 2005. Change intervals increased to 20,000 kilometers 12,500 miles. Based on ACEA A3 B4 and C3.

Amsoil European Car Formula 5W-40
Aral SuperTronic 229.51 0W-40 LOW SAPS
Castrol Longtec Turbodiesel 0W-30 (229.51)
Fuchs TITAN GT1 229.51 SAE 5W-30 (first fill oil in OM 642)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 (to become available in the USA on 5/15/06) (aka 5w040 Delvac 1 & T&SUV 5w-40 from what the man at Mobil told me)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 Emission System Protection (Europe, from 12/05)
Shell Helix Ultra AX 5W-30 Mercedes 229.51
Valvoline SynPower MST 5W-30 229.51 (added 6/1/2006)

oldnavy · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:58 pm

DragonDiesel wrote:

OldNavy- Where does the Rotella T Full Synthetic fall in all of this?

Just noticed that Rotella T 15w-40 is listed with non synthetic oils that meet minimum spec for MB diesels.

MB sheet 228.3 approved oils :

for commercial trucks with diesel engines, Euro 2, minimum spec for CDIs, multi-viscosity SHPD (Super High Performance Diesel) oil, extended drain intervals up to 45,000 km. 228.x oils are designed to handle increased soot loads, EGR and a reduced tendency to thicken. ACEA E3-96 is based on this spec. The complete list comprises 100+ oils.

Aral HighTurboral 10W-40
Castrol Tection SAE 10W-40
Castrol Tection SAE 15W-40
Chevron Delo 400 15W-40 Multigrade (first oil to meet global DHD-1 spec introduced 2/2001; formulation 6/2004 first to meet CI-4 Plus)
Chevron Delo Euro HDMO 15W-40
Kendall SHPD-LD 15W-40
Mobil Delvac 1300 Super 15W-40
Pennzoil Supreme Duty Diesel Engine Oil 15W-40
Quaker State Super Diesel 15W-40
Shell Rimula X CH-4 15W-40
Shell Rimula X CH-4 20W-50
Shell Rotella T 15W-40
Ursa Premium TDX 15W-40
Ursa Premium TDX 10W-30
Ursa Super TD 15W-40
Ursa Turbo 15W-40
Ursa Turbo 20W-50

Below are oils that meet spec for our CRD with oil changes up to 25,000 miles. I think this requires special synthetic filter for light duty

MB sheet 228.5 approved oils:

for commercial trucks with diesel engines, Euro 1 and Euro 2, UHPD (Ultra High Performance Diesel) oil for turbocharged diesels; spec pioneered with Chevron; introduced in 1999. Multi viscosity oils for longest oil change intervals up to 45,000 km (light class) and up to 100,000 km (heavy class) or 160,000 km (with side filters) possible, service interval indicator, FSS. ACEA E4 and E5 are based to a large extent on this spec. The complete list comprises 100+ oils.

Aral MegaTurboral 10W-40
Castrol Dynamax 10W-40
Castrol Elixion SAE 0W-30
Castrol Enduron SAE 10W-40
Castrol Enduron Plus SAE 5W-40
Chevron Delo® XLD Multigrade 10W-40
Elf Performance Experty 10W-40
Fuchs TITAN CARGO SL SAE 5W-30
Fuchs Titan Cargo 10W-40
Hunold Multicargo 10W-40
Liqui Moly LKW Langzeit Motoröl 10W-40
Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40
Mobil Delvac 1 SHC 5W-40
Mobil Delvac XHP Extra 10W-40
Mobil Delvac XHP Ultra 5W-30
Quaker State Synquest Diesel 10W-40
Shell Rimula Ultra 10W-40
Shell Rimula Ultra 5W-30
Ursa Premium FE 5W-30
Ursa Super TDX 10W-40
Ursa TDX 10W-40
Valvoline ProFleet 10W-40
Valvoline ProFleet Extra 5W-30

Man a guy can really get himself confused it he isn't careful.

Reggie · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:42 pm

oldnavy wrote:

DragonDiesel wrote:

OldNavy- Where does the Rotella T Full Synthetic fall in all of this?

Apparently it doesn't, unless it is also know as Helix. There are other Shell oils listed, but not the Rotella T.

The really new stuff has Amsoil listed. I would say that the oils listed below would be fine in the CRD and most will find the Mobil 1 or Valvoline the easiest to find local and for those who like Amsoil then you will be safe using the Euro Car Formula 5w-40 oil. Myself I would rather stick with a 40w oil as in the Amsoil or Mobil 1 formula, and not the 30w oils listed below, just my prefference.

MB sheet 229.51 approved oils; low ash long life:

Mercedes pioneered this new spec for passenger cars with diesel engines with EURO 4 or Bluetec exhaust particle filters and longer service life than the 229.31 oils. The spec was introduced in 2005. Change intervals increased to 20,000 kilometers 12,500 miles. Based on ACEA A3 B4 and C3.

Amsoil European Car Formula 5W-40
Aral SuperTronic 229.51 0W-40 LOW SAPS
Castrol Longtec Turbodiesel 0W-30 (229.51)
Fuchs TITAN GT1 229.51 SAE 5W-30 (first fill oil in OM 642)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 (to become available in the USA on 5/15/06) (aka 5w040 Delvac 1 & T&SUV 5w-40 from what the man at Mobil told me)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 Emission System Protection (Europe, from 12/05)
Shell Helix Ultra AX 5W-30 Mercedes 229.51
Valvoline SynPower MST 5W-30 229.51 (added 6/1/2006)

Don't forget the VW 506.01 oils. I think they are up there with the 229.51 oils in terms of quality, anti-wear properties, and extended drain intervals. On a side note I finally spotted the new Mobil 1 5W40 turbo diesel oil here in the Houston area at O'Rielly Auto Parts. They also carried the new Valvoline ATF +4 for our trannies.

DragonDiesel · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:09 pm

Reggie wrote:

Don't forget the VW 506.01 oils. I think they are up there with the 229.51 oils in terms of quality, anti-wear properties, and extended drain intervals. On a side note I finally spotted the new Mobil 1 5W40 turbo diesel oil here in the Houston area at O'Rielly Auto Parts. They also carried the new Valvoline ATF +4 for our trannies.

Well, I should be fine if I can ever get my Jeep back to Houston.

I am still in debate - this is what I understand...

The best oil for my CRD is probably the Amsoil Euro 5w40, but it is the most expensive and hard to find.

The Mobil 1 ESP Formula M (or Delvac) 5w40 is the next best, and is less expensive and the dealerships carry this(?) as well as O'Reilly.

Finally the Shell Helix 5w40 is the next best thing and can be found at just about any "truck stop" - and so on.

I live in Houston, but travel a ton. I need an oil that is accessible country-wide without comprimising the protection to my engine. I will probably do 5,000m OCIs just because they are really easy to remember. "oh, gosh, I hit 30K... ...what was it i was supposed to do again?" :roll:

Suggestions?

jinstall · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:18 pm

I have never seen Rotella here in Germany.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:42 pm

DragonDiesel wrote:

Reggie wrote:

Don't forget the VW 506.01 oils. I think they are up there with the 229.51 oils in terms of quality, anti-wear properties, and extended drain intervals. On a side note I finally spotted the new Mobil 1 5W40 turbo diesel oil here in the Houston area at O'Rielly Auto Parts. They also carried the new Valvoline ATF +4 for our trannies.

Well, I should be fine if I can ever get my Jeep back to Houston.

I am still in debate - this is what I understand...

The best oil for my CRD is probably the Amsoil Euro 5w40, but it is the most expensive and hard to find.

The Mobil 1 ESP Formula M (or Delvac) 5w40 is the next best, and is less expensive and the dealerships carry this(?) as well as O'Reilly.

Finally the Shell Helix 5w40 is the next best thing and can be found at just about any "truck stop" - and so on.

I live in Houston, but travel a ton. I need an oil that is accessible country-wide without comprimising the protection to my engine. I will probably do 5,000m OCIs just because they are really easy to remember. "oh, gosh, I hit 30K... ...what was it i was supposed to do again?" :roll:

Suggestions?

If you are doing a lot of road time/travel then do a 10,000 mile change as the oil and engine will do fine. I haven't done a under 7,000 mile oil change in 30 years or 10,000 mile oil change in 20 years (diesels or gassers, except initial break-in change out) and have never had a problem. I haven't had a oil buning, wore out car in the 30 years since I have been using synthetic oil and some of those cars have gone 200,000 plus miles. All my VW diesels were 10,000 mile oil changes and that is the standard for VW and you can find all kinds of VW TDI's doing that for 150,000 to 300,000 miles without a oil caused problem.

rjmaype · **Posted:** Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:24 pm

Used to work for that big oil company that spilled some in Alaska.

We used to run 15k miles change out in our company cars although the oil guys told me 30k would not be harmful with synthetic.

I have 25k miles on my 2005 CRD and change out on 12k miles interval.
It is easy to remember since I rotate tires at 6k miles.

Mobil 1 is an excellent choice.

By the way, we were not permitted to put supreme grade gasoline in the cars. Too much profit and no real benefit to the auto.

RFCRD · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:49 am

oldnavy wrote:

[You might check as I did with Mobil, but seems the only real difference is the low ash because of the particulate filters. If you look at a old bottle of Mobil 1 0w-40 and new one the oil is now listed with different ACEA from original ACEA A3, B3/B4 rating, when I asked the man said it was a printing mistake and website listing was correct. Who know's.

This is the latest "low ash" oils for current Euro particulate trap equipped diesels and will be required for '07 US models with diesel, such as GC, Sprinter and any other diesel sold such as CRD Liberty with particulate traps.

MB sheet 229.31 approved oils; LA "low ash" Oils:

Mercedes pioneered this new spec for passenger cars with diesel engines with EURO 4 or Bluetec exhaust particle filters, e.g. W211 E200 CDI, E220 CDI. The spec was introduced 7/2003. They are called LA "low ash" or "low SAPS" oils, low on sulfated ash, phosphorus and sulphur to limit exhaust particle filter pollution. In 2004 the ACEA introduced the new C3 spec (mid SAPS, normal viscosity) based on it. Change intervals extend to 15,000 km/6500mi.

I just find it ironic that DC is anal enough to write an oil spec to be "low ash" to protect their particulate filters & other emissions stuff while they have a charged air system full of raw motor oil (and call it normal). How much extra ash does that produce??? They had best get their priorities straight and their oily intake problems resolved or their Bluetec system will be worthless.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Thu Jul 27, 2006 1:38 pm

RFCRD wrote:

I just find it ironic that DC is anal enough to write an oil spec to be "low ash" to protect their particulate filters & other emissions stuff while they have a charged air system full of raw motor oil (and call it normal). How much extra ash does that produce??? They had best get their priorities straight and their oily intake problems resolved or their Bluetec system will be worthless.

I am willing to bet if it wasn't for the bean counters we would not be reading comments like this, and I agree with RFCRD.

D/C if you are reading this, get your stinky poo together.

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