EAO34 Oil filter sold by AMSOIL

retmil46 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:51 am

Ranger1 wrote:

Thanks Mitch... differential pressure. Now it makes sense. So it sounds like the amsoil should work, right? Still wonder why DC and Mobile 1 use different part numbers.

Also Purolator, Fram, and STP to name 3 I remember, use different part numbers for the V6 and CRD.

And on the ones I've been able to compare first hand (all of the above except Mobil 1), the V6 and CRD filters are different in physical layout and construction.

Whether or not that translates into any difference in function or filtration ability, haven't got a clue.

Just as CYA, I've been using a Purolator PureOne filter because it's the same physical layout as the DC filter.

As far as filtration, the oil analysis results from the Amsoil filter looks to say it does a bloody good job of that. OTOH, the specs for the Wix filter from their website don't impress me - a beta ratio of 2/20 = 14/31 - 50% effective at 14 micron and 95% effective at 31 micron, nominal rating of 20 micron - standard run of the mill gas engine filter.

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

Amsoil has been very responsive. This is their response to my question about other oil filter manufacturers using different part numbers for the V6 and CRD oil filters.

"Thank you for contacting AMSOIL with your concerns.

In response to your inquiry, using the cross reference guide, I find
that Mobil M1209 crosses to Wix 51516 or AMSOIL EaO34, while M1211
crosses to Wix 51315 or, in April, AMSOIL EaO35. We will ask Wix if they
are going to change their recommendation.

By Pass valve settings are; 51516 = 8-11 psid (pounds per square inch,
differential), 51315 = 16 psid. The differential pressure has no bearing
on the operating pressure. It relates to the resistance to flow built up
due to filter plugging over time."

KJbob · **Posted:** Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:36 am

LanduytG wrote:

I would like to see what the rest of the report said for wear metals.
Greg

Forgive me Greg, I'm not ignoring you. There's just alot of data. Does everyone want me to post it here on this thread?

oldnavy · **Posted:** Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:43 am

KJbob wrote:

LanduytG wrote:

I would like to see what the rest of the report said for wear metals.
Greg

Forgive me Greg, I'm not ignoring you. There's just alot of data. Does everyone want me to post it here on this thread?

Yes.

KJbob · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:21 pm

OK, here are my oil analysis reports; 5 in total. In all cases Amsoil European Formula 5w-40 along with an Amsoil Ea034 oil filter was used. Air filters used were OEM and 2 WIX (used on the last two analyses).

Time on oil is 5,200, 10,200, 7,461, 4,923. and 6,376 miles respectively:

Iron 49, 129, 59, 31, 35

Chromium 5, 9, 4, 2, 3

Lead 1, 9, 4, 1, 1

Copper 5, 14, 6, 3, 4

Tin 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

Aluminum 17, 29, 20, 14, 15

Nickel 1, 0, 0, 0, 0

Silver 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

Silicon 18, 33, 45, 27, 35

Boron 58, 55, 52, 52, 52

Sodium 0, 3, 1, 2, 3

Magnesium 14, 18, 18, 14, 13

Calcium 1908, 1967, 1881, 1743, 1717

Barium 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

Phosphorous 825, 779, 883, 801, 704

Zinc 841, 943, 971, 953, 934

Molybdenum 6, 6, 1, 0, 0

Titanium 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

Vanadium 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

Potassium 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

Fuel <1, <1, <1, <1, <1

Visc100 12.55, 12.55, 12.62, 12.16, 12.21

Soot/Solids 1.60, 2.18, 2.21, 2.06, 2.30

Nitr 13.0, 17.0, 18.0, 17.0, 19.0

Oxid 9.0, 11.0, 7.0, 7.0, 9.0

TBN 5.02, 3.95, 4.38, 5.80, 5.31

The first oil analysis was performed when the engine had a total of 15,100 miles on it; the last analysis was done with a total of 33,915 miles on the engine.

As mentioned in an earlier post the 10,200 mile analysis had a new air filter installed at about the 5k mark; the 7,461 analysis had the same air filter for the entire 7k. In the other analysis' the air filter was changed when the oil and oil filter was changed.

This data is leading me to believe that the Ea034 oil filter and the Amsoil oil is good for a 10k OCI. In my case, however, my silicon levels are such that I will be changing oil at about 5k.

Thoughts?

oldnavy · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:29 pm

KJbob wrote:

Silicon 18, 33, 45, 27, 35

TBN 5.02, 3.95, 4.38, 5.80, 5.31

Thoughts?

Silicon is high, but it may be caused by silicon sealant used in the engine, additive in the oil to prevent foaming, or unfiltered intake air. If it is being caused by sealants than after 3 or 4 oil changes it should be back down to normal. I will assume you have changed the oil 6 times, so I will rule out the sealant. I'm not sure, but I doubt that it is additive as mine was high in Si and it was same oil (M-1 0w-40) used in my Magnum and my Si in the Magnum was 6 and average is 9 for normal sample. So I would bet you have a air leak causing the problem.

I had a problem with my original airbox and it was not sealing proper and when finely proper the lid broke because it was warped and was put in a strain at the rear. Even the replacement box had a problem with getting lid to seat on the rubber filter edge in the box properly and every time I checked was moving off the sealing position. The '02 airbox seems a lot easier to get the lid to fit propper on the filter, the back side of the box where the fingers of the lid fits into the hold down slots seems to fit better on the '02 box then it did on the CRD box.

My guess is the lids are the problem and they are not correctly manafactured, allowing for improper sealing and dirty air to pass.
I will know for sure when I do the up coming oil sample test.

TBN is too low and is the main reason you need to change oil, more so then even Si levels. Your oil should have a TBN of 7 to 9, if the diesel oil you use has a TBN of 11 or 12 as I think AMSOIL does, to have been left in any longer. My guess is once you switch to ULSD your numbers should go up, or if you do the ORM that will sure make a correction to that problem.

KJbob · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:53 pm

I may try the '02 airbox mod because I think I've checked everything else. :roll:

I don't think the TBN is really all that low The Amsoil European formula starts with a TBN of 8, according to their website.

Thanks for your input oldnavy.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:58 pm

KJbob wrote:

I may try the '02 airbox mod because I think I've checked everything else. :roll:

I don't think the TBN is really all that low The Amsoil European formula starts with a TBN of 8, according to their website.

Thanks for your input oldnavy.

You are welcome friend.

About the TBN. If you do not do the ORM or switch to ULSD then you should use their other diesel oil with a higher TBN. But if your changing it at 5000 miles then it is not a big deal.

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

Quote:

The '02 airbox seems a lot easier to get the lid to fit propper on the filter, the back side of the box where the fingers of the lid fits into the hold down slots seems to fit better on the '02 box then it did on the CRD box.

ON, I noticed the exact same symptoms on my CRD OEM airbox. Dramatically easier on the 02 replacement, but until you spoke up I thought it was just the luck of the draw on my 05 original OEM.

As to the silicon, I've noticed that the CRD seems to have higher SI readings than the TDI readings. I checked Blackstones site for information on SI and they had similar info to what you posted, but also had this little blurb:

"There are certain types of gaskets used at pan and valve cover areas that are made from silicone-based materials. If these are installed on your engine, you can expect the silicon reading from your oil sample to go up to 15-20 ppm and continue reading high for as long as the gaskets are in place."

I wonder if there are some silicon gaskets on the R428 engine somewhere.

There is more on sources of Silicon in engine oil here:

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/the_silicon_bugaboo.html

oldnavy · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:42 pm

Ranger1 wrote:

Quote:

The '02 airbox seems a lot easier to get the lid to fit propper on the filter, the back side of the box where the fingers of the lid fits into the hold down slots seems to fit better on the '02 box then it did on the CRD box.

ON, I noticed the exact same symptoms on my CRD OEM airbox. Dramatically easier on the 02 replacement, but until you spoke up I thought it was just the luck of the draw on my 05 original OEM.

As to the silicon, I've noticed that the CRD seems to have higher SI readings than the TDI readings. I checked Blackstones site for information on SI and they had similar info to what you posted, but also had this little blurb:

"There are certain types of gaskets used at pan and valve cover areas that are made from silicone-based materials. If these are installed on your engine, you can expect the silicon reading from your oil sample to go up to 15-20 ppm and continue reading high for as long as the gaskets are in place."

I wonder if there are some silicon gaskets on the R428 engine somewhere.

There is more on sources of Silicon in engine oil here:

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/the_silicon_bugaboo.html

I read some where a couple years ago that even the if the gasket/sealant material was silicon it would eventually "wash out" after a few oil changes and that was what I was refering to, but I had no links to that source. However I think a Google search may be something I may need to do to see if I can find the info, but I kind of think it was on the TDI forum.

Kellog13 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:21 pm **Posts:** 74

You are correct, it was.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:42 am

Kellog13 wrote:

You are correct, it was.

There is hope for me after all, maybe the old brain cells are not turning to mush. :shock:

KJbob · **Posted:** Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:59 pm

Well I installed the '02 V6 airbox mod last night. I have yet to install that air deflector thingy...I need to get one of those plastic rivots to hold it in place.

I really like the fact that air is being drawn into the intake much higher off the ground. That along with the suppossed better sealing of the new airbox should help lower my silicon readings...we'll see. I've got almost 1k on the air filter using the old box; at 5k, I'll do another oil analysis. If this works, then there's no problem running the Ea034 oil filter for extended oil change intervals (i.e. 10k).

By the way, the wife went with me to the Jeep dealership to pick up the parts for the airbox mod and fell in love with a 4 door Wrangler Rubicon on the lot. All in all, this mod could cost me 32k! :shock:

oldnavy · **Posted:** Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:29 pm

KJbob wrote:

By the way, the wife went with me to the Jeep dealership to pick up the parts for the airbox mod and fell in love with a 4 door Wrangler Rubicon on the lot. All in all, this mod could cost me 32k! :shock:

It's only money, and you can't take it with you. :wink:

KJbob · **Posted:** Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:02 pm

oldnavy wrote:

KJbob wrote:

By the way, the wife went with me to the Jeep dealership to pick up the parts for the airbox mod and fell in love with a 4 door Wrangler Rubicon on the lot. All in all, this mod could cost me 32k! :shock:

It's only money, and you can't take it with you. :wink:

Yeah, and by the looks of it I ain't gonna be takin' it with me! :roll:

But, the little lady's stuck with me through thick and thin...so far.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:25 pm

KJbob wrote:

But, the little lady's stuck with me through thick and thin...so far.

In have that problem also, darn the bad luck. :roll:

retmil46 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:45 pm

KJbob wrote:

Well I installed the '02 V6 airbox mod last night. I have yet to install that air deflector thingy...I need to get one of those plastic rivots to hold it in place.

5/16" or similar sized short nut and bolt work just as well. The deflector actually snaps into place on the top crossmember, the rivet deal is just to keep it secure.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:42 pm

Guys, looks like we might be able to use another of the Amsoil EaO oil filters besides the -34.

Looking thru all their paperwork online for the BMK-13 remote full flow/bypass setup, on the install pdf they had a list of commonly used filters, their dimensions, and thread sizes.

Turns out that the EaO-26 filter has the same size thread and gasket as the EaO-34. And it's significantly bigger - nearly 7" long and 3 1/2" diameter. Don't know if this would present clearance problems with the skid plates.

Might be worth looking at, if it has the same filtering ability, and the bigger size means more capacity for filtering out crud before it gets clogged.

AndySRT · **Posted:** Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:45 pm

Well i just finished the oil change with the 34 filter I'll probly end up sending a sample out being as everything from the air filter oil filter and oil is now amsoil.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:36 am

Looked under the CRD today and how much clearance there was around the oil filter. Don't see any reason you couldn't use one of the EaO-26 filters in place of the EaO-34.

Guess I'll be the guinea pig and order one of the -26 filters and try it next oil change.

EAO34 Oil filter sold by AMSOIL

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