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Here are the pics. I note that the other 2.5 pic showed a similar head but what appears to be a spin on filter without the heater, etc. Thanks to Mitchell and and Ranger for these pics

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Cool...how do we get this setup?

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It looks like a RACOR.
The new 215, 230 and 245 filter/separators come standard with an integral priming pump and a new see-thru contaminant bowl which can operate in applications up to 30 psi. Another design upgrade is the optional 200-watt in-bowl heater for colder operating conditions. Applications include light-duty and medium-duty trucks and vehicles, welders and other diesel-powered equipment.

http://www.parker.com/racor/spn_product.html

Look closely at the picture of the 315, 230, and 245, and compare it to the posted picture, on the forum.

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I sent a request to the Parker Filter Division with copies of the pictures and a description of the application to ask if the original was still available and if not which would be the closest replacement.

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I bled the filter head today for the first time in 32k miles. (I'm guessing no dealer has bothered doing this for any reason.) I got a surprising amount of air out of the system. No wonder the heating elements are prone to running dry and burning up on these things.

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I bled the filter head today for the first time in 32k miles. (I'm guessing no dealer has bothered doing this for any reason.) I got a surprising amount of air out of the system. No wonder the heating elements are prone to running dry and burning up on these things.

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This brings up an interesting issue since I experienced the same yesterday when I bled for the first time along with the filter change. Unless this head has a check valve, and a good one at that, there is no way you would not get lots of air upon pumping it with the bleeder valve open. Someone correct me if I am in error but the bleed process should work just like bleeding brakes...

1) Open bleeder. 2) Press pump to bottom. 3) Close bleeder. 4) Release pump and let it return to normal. 5) Repeat 1>4 until there is no more air.

If you release the plunger before closing the bleeder you will suck air in on the next compression, right.

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This brings up an interesting issue since I experienced the same yesterday when I bled for the first time along with the filter change. Unless this head has a check valve, and a good one at that, there is no way you would not get lots of air upon pumping it with the bleeder valve open. Someone correct me if I am in error but the bleed process should work just like bleeding brakes...


Actually you want to pressurize the system with the plunger with the bleed screw closed. Once the plunger firms up, crack the bleed screw and let it bleed either air or fuel out. Once air or fuel stops coming out, shut the bleeder and repeat the process until no more air comes out.

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That's the process I generally followed but since I knew I had lots of air from the filter change I used a brake bleeder cup which relies on pumping into a resevoir of fluid. I initially had the tube on the wrong side and ingested air. If one has not previously used a bleeder/pump system though they may mistakenly be pumping with the bleeder open.

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That's the process I generally followed but since I knew I had lots of air from the filter change I used a brake bleeder cup which relies on pumping into a resevoir of fluid. I initially had the tube on the wrong side and ingested air. If one has not previously used a bleeder/pump system though they may mistakenly be pumping with the bleeder open.


Believe me, from recent experience, that's definitely preferable to the "manually applied suction" method!!!! :wink: :lol:

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It looks like a RACOR.
The new 215, 230 and 245 filter/separators come standard with an integral priming pump and a new see-thru contaminant bowl which can operate in applications up to 30 psi. Another design upgrade is the optional 200-watt in-bowl heater for colder operating conditions. Applications include light-duty and medium-duty trucks and vehicles, welders and other diesel-powered equipment.

http://www.parker.com/racor/spn_product.html

Look closely at the picture of the 315, 230, and 245, and compare it to the posted picture, on the forum.


I think the 400 serie would be better

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retmil46 wrote:
Ranger1 found some close-up pics of the fuel filter that he sent me on e-mail, which unfortunately I don't have the capability of posting here.

On the bottom of the filter there is a plastic see-thru bowl, with a water drain and two other fittings with wiring harnesses connected to them. One is most probably a fuel heater, as it has the same red/black wiring harness that goes to ours, and Racor puts their fuel heater below the filter element.

The other fitting I'm not sure, it could be either a wif sensor or a fuel temp sensor. The color coding on the wiring doesn't match either on our US spec CRD's. Perusing the Racor catalog, I'd lean toward a wif sensor.

If you go to www.usdieselparts.com , you can access the current full Racor catalog in pdf format.

Looking thru their catalog, there may be an intermediate solution to completely replacing the stock filter head with a Racor unit.

Racor makes filter elements to replace OEM spin-on cartridges. Three of them have the same thread and gasket size as our stock filter assembly (16MM thread, 72 MM gasket). They can be ordered as 2, 10, or 30 micron elements. P/N's are S3208, S3209, and S3216. Add suffix to P/N for micron size, S = 2 micron, T = 10 micron, P = 30 micron.

For these same filters, you can order either metal or see-thru plastic bowls, some of them equipped with fuel heaters, depending on the diameter of the filter, and all standard with a water drain.

In this case, only one of the above filters, S3209, is of sufficient diameter (3.82") to be able to use a see-thru bowl equipped with both a water drain and 12V fuel heater. While the gasket and thread size match, the overall diameter of the filter, approximately 1/2" more than the OEM filter, might pose some fitment problems with the mounting bracket and fuel inlet banjo fitting on the OEM filter head, and it would be wise to do some measurements first.

If the 3209 filter will fit without any clearance problems, with a see-thru bowl including a water drain and 12V heater, that could solve two problem areas - the fuel temp sensor and fuel heater on the stock filter head.

By keeping the sandwich adapter with the temp sensor and stock fuel heater in place, you could still make use of the stock fuel temp sensor, which there doesn't seem to be a readily available replacement for.

The stock fuel heater could be plugged up with your medium of choice (RTV, epoxy, etc) to prevent any leaks. The connector on the wiring harness can be changed to match that on the bowl heater of the Racor filter, and plugged into the bowl heater.

The bowl heater on the Racor units are 12V 200 watt, and unlike the stock unit which constantly has power applied, has it's own thermostat built in - 45 F on, 85 F off.

While there isn't a provision for the wif sensor, you could argue that having a see-thru plastic bowl, where you can actually see when the filter needs to be drained down, would eliminate that need. There's also the chance that the drain fitting on the bowl will be the same thread size (M12 X 1.5) as the wif sensor on the OEM filter and be able to use it without modification, or be able to retap or install an adapter to make use of the wif sensor.



What about getting someone to CNC machine us a quality metal "sandwich" to replace the stock plastic unit? That way all the sensors could be plugged in as stock (expect maybe WIF) and one could use their filter of choice, Racor, Cat, or stock.
I don't if this is possible, and it may be too expensive. But it might accomplish our goals.

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What about getting someone to CNC machine us a quality metal "sandwich" to replace the stock plastic unit? That way all the sensors could be plugged in as stock (expect maybe WIF) and one could use their filter of choice, Racor, Cat, or stock.
I don't if this is possible, and it may be too expensive. But it might accomplish our goals.


FYI, there was a good thread just after many started having leaks from the initial CAT-conversion rebuild and getting pissed off at the head the first time. For some reason, that thread died and this one replaced it with the addition of a lift pump :) http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=21002

I think the concensus among those that understand fluid dymanics is that more seals == more places to leak, so having an aluminum replacement for the puck would be better, but possibly not that much if the leak is the fault of the milling on the head side (which mine is, I think).

That other thread has a good bit of discussion about what sensors are involved, etc. The summary is:
- the Racor WIF might need a resistor or something on it to be compatible with the CRD's computer (need to put it on a OHMeter and see for sure) but it might be a straight swap, which would be swell.
- The Racor heater is an active thermostat (which others have all pointed out) but is fundamentally compatible (similar current, always on, etc).
- The temp sensor seems to be a non-industry part and again, we'd have to make sure that whatever is used to replace it has similar electrical characteristics (might involve a resistor or something) but is easy to account for with the tapped accessory holes in a racor.

What would be really nice is if someone would be able to sources the part numbers and prices from a euro distributor and ship one to the states to check compatibility instead of us all cobbling together miscelaneous solutions :wink:

That would be a lot easier to support.

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My dealer replaced my leaking fuel filter head assembly about 10 days ago. The CRD runs better now than it did when it was brand new. There is no shutter when letting off the accelerater and having it on cruise as before. No F37. :evil:

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That is a picture of the 215. I posted something about this awhile back when someone was looking for one. Same bolt pattern and will fit in the same spot. This filter is plenty big enough and I think going to a bigger 400 or 600 you will have issues with it fitting.

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I was leaning toward a 200 series as well, either a 230 or 245, ie 30 gph or 45 gph filter element. I was basing that on Racor/Stanadyne's guidelines that flow capacity should be 18%, or roughly 1/5, of rated horsepower.

But I do agree that a 400 or 600 series looks to be more than needed. Besides size, they're also considerably more expensive.

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On the fuel temp sensor, from what I understand someone actually tried removing it from the plastic housing, to see if it could be transplanted into another filter assembly. Word was that it is either epoxied or ultrasonically welded into the plastic housing, such that you end up destroying the sensor trying to remove it.

Apparently you do need the temp sensor. Reading thru the FSM, the ECM uses fuel temp to adjust the fueling curve and rail pressure.

There was also mention in another part of the FSM, having to do with the fuel and injection system, that under some conditions the ECM acted to limit the amount of fuel returned to the tank to prevent the fuel in the tank from becoming too hot.

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Once upon a time someone forgot, and left both the heater and temp sensor unplugged for about a week :oops: . This person also reported during this same time that they got 27 MPG running 75-80 MPH.....

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dgeist mentioned other threads where other solutions were discussed. In an attempt to connect all of those that discussed the RACOR I did a search and came up with the following for reference:

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... ight=racor
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... ight=racor
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... ight=racor
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... ight=racor
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... ight=racor
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... ight=racor
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... ight=racor

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Once upon a time someone forgot, and left both the heater and temp sensor unplugged for about a week :oops: . This person also reported during this same time that they got 27 MPG running 75-80 MPH.....


What was that person getting before ?

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Once upon a time someone forgot, and left both the heater and temp sensor unplugged for about a week :oops: . This person also reported during this same time that they got 27 MPG running 75-80 MPH.....


That's why a couple of us are thinking of taking a page out of the TDI playbook and installing a fuel cooler in the return line.

That area in front of the fuel tank might end up getting rather crowded the way things are going.

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