Pa. Is Now Checking For Red Oil In Tanks. ALL TANKS!

MNKK · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:59 am

Tell them you are calling the ACLU. They get alot of people off. Even when they are guilty of something.

chrispitude · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:27 am

Coal Cracker wrote:

Now they want to make our local interstates TOLL ROADS. Well now wait a miniute, I thought the 40 cen a gallon fuel tax that was implemented was supposed to pay for that. It shure hasn't helped in filling potholes, lol there's some I'd need 4x4 to get out of.

CC, don't forget the part where the tolls on our existing turnpike were meant to be temporary until it was paid off, and that never happened either...

- Chris

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:53 am

Sir Sam wrote:

Coal Cracker wrote:

Ok, witnessed PA DOT pulling a sample from a Cummins Ram Tank. And a friend who does construction had his powerstrokes sampled. Darn. There goes my aspirations for getting Off Road Diesel in a storage tank for myself.

I gotta see this, a DOT flunkie pulling a sample from my crd, Well they'd better pay me for it.

Sorry Everybody, I hate like heck to report this :cry:

Here is a question, you have to give a leo consent to search your vehicle, do you have to do the same to have your tank dipped? Can I refuse to allow them to search my gas tank? Can I refuse and tell them to get a warrant? Do they have probably cause to search my tank based on the fact that I have a diesel vehicle?

It's mandatory if they stop you and want to check your fuel,they need no warrent or permission to check your fuel.

In SD if you refuse it's just like refusing to take the breathalizer,your automatically guilty by your refusal per how the law is written.

cerich · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:16 am

geordi wrote:

Biodiesel does not have any of the color markers they are looking for.

And what's it to them where the fuel came from? If its not red, then its not any of their business where you got it. Just say you don't remember where you filled up last, if they even ask. Its not illegal to have biodiesel stickers, nor is it illegal to "blend" your own fuel.

You might just be blending 20 gallons of biodiesel with 20cc of dino. Let them prove that you made it. Its not worth the fight for them.

it IS illegal to use self made bio diesel on public roads unless you pay the man. It is VERY easy for LE to show PC to get a warrant to go on your property to look for a bio diesel sill when they pull you over and check the fuel, esp. when you have bio diesel stickers all over and the vehicle smells like french fries. After all the LE type that would be checking does that ALL day every day. You think he doesn't know what dino diesel smells like????

Your assumption it isn't worth the fight is wrong...it is much easier to go after and get a large fine levied againts the small guy than the say a corporation, a corporation can affortd the fight, the small guy can't. It is a easy win and a big fine.

With the cost of diesel, the 25-50 cents savings of using off road red diesel isn't worth it, it is literally to small a % of savings...however Bio Diesel at 65-85 cents a gallon to produce is VERY much a HUGE % of savings and is worth to make and pay the road tax, you still save 75% over dino!

IMHO a person is a certified MORON to plaster his CRD with bio diesel stickers and brew his own while not keeping a production log and records of road tax paid to the man...That is a sure way to get up close and personal with the system. (Plus folks...lets be honest, many that are into bio diesel will learn left, many LE types are leaning right....that increases the odds that you'll get inspected with nice green bio diesel stickers all over...it isn't right but it is the way it is....)

UFO · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:57 am

cerich wrote:

geordi wrote:

Biodiesel does not have any of the color markers they are looking for.

And what's it to them where the fuel came from? If its not red, then its not any of their business where you got it. Just say you don't remember where you filled up last, if they even ask. Its not illegal to have biodiesel stickers, nor is it illegal to "blend" your own fuel.

You might just be blending 20 gallons of biodiesel with 20cc of dino. Let them prove that you made it. Its not worth the fight for them.

it IS illegal to use self made bio diesel on public roads unless you pay the man. It is VERY easy for LE to show PC to get a warrant to go on your property to look for a bio diesel sill when they pull you over and check the fuel, esp. when you have bio diesel stickers all over and the vehicle smells like french fries. After all the LE type that would be checking does that ALL day every day. You think he doesn't know what dino diesel smells like????

Your assumption it isn't worth the fight is wrong...it is much easier to go after and get a large fine levied againts the small guy than the say a corporation, a corporation can affortd the fight, the small guy can't. It is a easy win and a big fine.

With the cost of diesel, the 25-50 cents savings of using off road red diesel isn't worth it, it is literally to small a % of savings...however Bio Diesel at 65-85 cents a gallon to produce is VERY much a HUGE % of savings and is worth to make and pay the road tax, you still save 75% over dino!

IMHO a person is a certified MORON to plaster his CRD with bio diesel stickers and brew his own while not keeping a production log and records of road tax paid to the man...That is a sure way to get up close and personal with the system. (Plus folks...lets be honest, many that are into bio diesel will learn left, many LE types are leaning right....that increases the odds that you'll get inspected with nice green bio diesel stickers all over...it isn't right but it is the way it is....)

You've got to stop putting so much energy into this paranoia. You do realize more people buy biodiesel than make it, right? I've got more productive things to worry about.

truckbouy2 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:11 pm

Interesting.....
A couple of northern Minnesota counties has quite a number of rural meth labs cooking away and our illustrious state patrol is dipping
tanks here in the state where NOTHING is allowed.
Now there is what I call a good use of man power. :wink:

Threeweight · **Joined:** Mon May 14, 2007 5:57 pm **Posts:** 679

truckbouy2 wrote:

Interesting.....
A couple of northern Minnesota counties has quite a number of rural meth labs cooking away and our illustrious state patrol is dipping
tanks here in the state where NOTHING is allowed.
Now there is what I call a good use of man power. :wink:

Now that I agree with. Waste of time and resources when there are much bigger problems that need LE attention.

Also worth noting that in most states LE can search your vehicle at any time if they have reasonable suspiscion (lower threshold than probable cause) of illegal activity. I recall news accounts of some guy in North Carolina running home brew in his Mercedes diesel, sporting a biodiesel sticker, who did have his tank dipped. NC is a state where bio is required to have a least a small % of dino in it for road tax purposes, and he got fined.

I don't home brew here in Oregon, but I know that our commercial bio distributors are requires to blend at least 1% dino diesel into the fuel for road tax purposes.

As noted above, my opinion is that if you drive on the public's road you ought to be paying into the public fund for its upkeep, so I ain't crying the sky is falling over this. I just wanted to caution that there is a legitimate reason (albeit a small one) for being concerned about having your tank checked.

Coal Cracker · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:13 pm

This kinda reminds me of the days of revenuiers. Lol cookin up some lightnin in the woods , and using it in the tank.

I guess history does repeat itself, :lol:

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:23 pm

... of when I brought back a bottle of Tequila from Mexico and had to pay the $1.65 tax at the Texas border. States are stupid and will spend more money to collect the money than what they take in. When I go to Canada next week for operator training and since I am an American I have to show the Purchase Order for the equipment our Canadian Rep Sold to a Canadian municipality through our Canadian office. One time the Canadian Customs wanted to get me for $10 because the inside of the Operators manual stated that replacement manuals were $100 each.
To put it mildly, these collectors are anal to say the least.

litton · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:02 pm

So, does biodiesel sold by a commercial outlet have a distinct color added? Would it be differant from a "homebrew"? How would an inspector know if you bougt it or brewed it?

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:09 pm

I try to buy biodiesel blend when I can and I do not recall seeing any color other than green at the pumps here in the Midwest. Since I only drive my Diesels in the Midwest, I can't speak for other parts of the country.

Coal Cracker · **Posted:** Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:47 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

I try to buy biodiesel blend when I can and I do not recall seeing any color other than green at the pumps here in the Midwest. Since I only drive my Diesels in the Midwest, I can't speak for other parts of the country.

Warp, I filled up with bio5 last week and it has a green haze to it also. First time for me putting b5 in it. It isn't available close to me, but when I get back to that area I'm gonna fill up again, It's like rocket fuel compared to the stuff at the pumps here.

UFO · **Posted:** Sat Apr 19, 2008 12:47 am

litton wrote:

So, does biodiesel sold by a commercial outlet have a distinct color added? Would it be differant from a "homebrew"? How would an inspector know if you bougt it or brewed it?

No difference (yet....)

The B99 thing is kind of strange. I don't know of any B99 pumps in Colorado; most certainly due to weather if nothing else. I'll be road tripping to Minnesota soon, it might be interesting.

glaspak845 · **Posted:** Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:23 pm

Coal Cracker wrote:

CATCRD wrote:

Threeweight wrote:

Coal Cracker wrote:

They'll Get You Coming Or Going, Our State And Local Governments Are So Corrupt.

What's corrupt about enforcing the law?

Giving special breaks to some users of diesel and not others.

Well For instance , in Pa. we're taxed about 40 cents a gallon. Now the taxes collected from fuel was supposed to go road repairs and maintaining them, Hmmmm that hasn't happined.

Now they want to make our local interstates TOLL ROADS. Well now wait a miniute, I thought the 40 cen a gallon fuel tax that was implemented was supposed to pay for that. It shure hasn't helped in filling potholes, lol there's some I'd need 4x4 to get out of.

I have no problem with the law, and if I got cought with red oil it's my fault and no one else's

Just a reminder, PA is third in state maintained roadways in miles. Last time I checked only behind the Carolinas or something funny like that. Hence the 40 cents per gallon tax of which I believe all goes directly to funding roadway and bridge repair. Now how they spend the money after they get it nobody can attest to and I'd love to see where it all goes. Also they have a large number of bridges (~64,000 and some change ? state owned bridges or something like that) so that 40 cents per gallon goes toward that as well. Their repairs leave something to be desired though but with all those lane miles to maintain and the shortfall in DOT budget you can see how the repairs are half booty, and sometimes one can question the qualifications of the persons doing the repairs as well.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:46 pm

Coal Cracker wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

I try to buy biodiesel blend when I can and I do not recall seeing any color other than green at the pumps here in the Midwest. Since I only drive my Diesels in the Midwest, I can't speak for other parts of the country.

Warp, I filled up with bio5 last week and it has a green haze to it also. First time for me putting b5 in it. It isn't available close to me, but when I get back to that area I'm gonna fill up again, It's like rocket fuel compared to the stuff at the pumps here.

CoalCracker: It is the improved Cetaine in the B-5 my friend.

BTW: The worst #2 I have purchased was from CITGO, I noticed the power loss from the B-10 I had in the tank before I filled up with the CITGO CRAP.

Steve

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:28 pm

UFO wrote:

litton wrote:

So, does biodiesel sold by a commercial outlet have a distinct color added? Would it be differant from a "homebrew"? How would an inspector know if you bougt it or brewed it?

No difference (yet....)

The B99 thing is kind of strange. I don't know of any B99 pumps in Colorado; most certainly due to weather if nothing else. I'll be road tripping to Minnesota soon, it might be interesting.

I believe bartkus oil in boulder sells B100.

UFO · **Posted:** Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:40 pm

Sir Sam wrote:

UFO wrote:

litton wrote:

So, does biodiesel sold by a commercial outlet have a distinct color added? Would it be differant from a "homebrew"? How would an inspector know if you bougt it or brewed it?

No difference (yet....)

The B99 thing is kind of strange. I don't know of any B99 pumps in Colorado; most certainly due to weather if nothing else. I'll be road tripping to Minnesota soon, it might be interesting.

I believe bartkus oil in boulder sells B100.

I've heard the same thing, and the old Denver coop was selling B100 made in a plant in Berthoud. I can't understand why there aren't blenders doing the B99 thing since that's $0.99 per gallon tax credit.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:46 pm

UFO wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

UFO wrote:

litton wrote:

So, does biodiesel sold by a commercial outlet have a distinct color added? Would it be differant from a "homebrew"? How would an inspector know if you bougt it or brewed it?

No difference (yet....)

The B99 thing is kind of strange. I don't know of any B99 pumps in Colorado; most certainly due to weather if nothing else. I'll be road tripping to Minnesota soon, it might be interesting.

I believe bartkus oil in boulder sells B100.

I've heard the same thing, and the old Denver coop was selling B100 made in a plant in Berthoud. I can't understand why there aren't blenders doing the B99 thing since that's $0.99 per gallon tax credit.

That would be nice, around here all the blue sun B20 is about 10 cents more per gallon than dino.

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