ill take the loss.. i just want out!

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:40 pm

Other issue - if you're reading LOST - to figure out how reliable Diesels are - you're in never never land.

LOST at most has had a couple of hundred CRD folks out of what 10?-15? thousand sold.

and people looking on the Web come here because there's more data.

the vast majority of people who drive them - don't have problems.

I make a point of trying to find other CRD's - and they're around - I meet them - and they're surprised that there's any issue

- they hardest thing they've had to deal with is remembering what color pump handle to use.

Brianawd · **Joined:** Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:59 pm **Posts:** 130

From about 04-08 you see a lot of issues with EGR on diesel's. Then after 08 is when they knocked down the amount of egr recurc and added DEF(Urea injection) along with particulate filter. They learned that the amount of egr along with CCV, it causes a whole list of issues.

I learned about the liberty CRD from a friend that picked up a low mile one years ago. First thing he did was the GDE tune. When he got the crd it only had a little over 20k(owned my old people) and was in really good shape. He now has over 180k on it with no issues at all. All he does is the normal maintenance. He did do the euro converter along with the transgo hd2, lift pump and replaced the fuel lines when he first got it.

I have now put over 20k on mine in just the last year. The only issue I have really had is my torque converter just went out.

So from day one of me getting it.
timing belt and all relating parts-Maintenance
New lifters and rockers-Mine looked good but I was there so why not.
New torque converter.-This was a given with the hot tune and stock converter.

I don't see a issue with me getting over 250k. And even then if somthing happens to the motor its just ordering up cylinder kits and doing a in-frame.

bugnout · **Posted:** Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:53 pm

Just heard a radio advertisement from a local garage that specializes in Ford Diesel EGR cleaning, Head gasket replacement.

If that guy can make a living in that narrow niche, I think the argument for the EPA being the issue is pretty good.

geordi · **Posted:** Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:55 pm

bugnout wrote:

Just heard a radio advertisement from a local garage that specializes in Ford Diesel EGR cleaning, Head gasket replacement.

If that guy can make a living in that narrow niche, I think the argument for the EPA being the issue is pretty good.

Hmm, you might have a point there.

joelukex4 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:54 pm **Posts:** 386

tjkj2002 wrote:

thermorex wrote:

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Regarding 4.0 litter (or 4slow as tjkj likes to call it) it's an engine designed in early 80s, and it is one of the most reliable engines ever made. It's not going to be comparable to a modern engine, I think the last ones had less than 200 horses, which is ridiculous for a 4 litter, but otherwise, very tough engine. Cast iron and steel, timing chain, no aluminum cyl head, something nobody makes this days for a regular car/SUV. I'd personally get an old style engine anytime to a fully electronic controlled new drama aluminum loaded engine.

The 4slow is much older then the '80's,started out as the 4.2 I6.Any 4.0 built after '01 if I remember correctly had those awful 303 casting head that liked to crack and cause issues.They never stop leaking oil from the rear main,oil pan gasket,and valve cover gasket,crack exhaust manifolds left and right,and have no power(yes I owned one for a year).

I have had three 4.0 liter Cherokee's. '89 rolled with 242K. Never had the engine touched. '95 sold to brother, no rocker panels left but 259K. Still running. Never touched engine. My son still has the '01 with 159K. Never touched the engine. Yes all three had a slight drip from the rear main after 130K. So far so good on the '01 head casting. All three were manual trans. Fun vehicles and always ran. Always.

dieseltech87 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:09 am **Posts:** 25

racertracer wrote:

1st off..... where is the Jeep located?

Located in west warwick Rhode Island

dieseltech87 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:09 am **Posts:** 25

I'm sure there are sucess stories out there with the crd but in my case 3 egrs, stuck thermostat (stuck open no heat issue), rockers, timing kit, fuel head, boost sensor and now dropped valve within a year? Can you blame me for wanting to cover the thing in gasoline and lighting it up? With the amount I purchased it with repairs included I could have purchased a BRAND new vehicle. But I'm stuck with this situation. I made a bad choice I want to move on. and I feel like putting it together to sell or drive is not an option. I want it gone and I want to live a life where I don't have to worry how much will it cost me to drive to work today. Its just not for me. I can't see myself going lower than 3500. I have paperwork showing I paid over ten thousand just a year ago. Everything but the engine is near perfect trans, transfercase, rear end etc. If anyone is intrerested pm me. I'm located in RI.

thermorex · **Posted:** Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:41 pm

joelukex4 wrote:

I have had three 4.0 liter Cherokee's. '89 rolled with 242K. Never had the engine touched. '95 sold to brother, no rocker panels left but 259K. Still running. Never touched engine. My son still has the '01 with 159K. Never touched the engine. Yes all three had a slight drip from the rear main after 130K. So far so good on the '01 head casting. All three were manual trans. Fun vehicles and always ran. Always.

Agree with always running... I'd take my 4 slow Cherokee anytime new york to LA without worrying for a second... In the winter, the engine is warm in minutes, even in less than 10 degrees, never seen an engine that warms up so fast. You may never have an issue with your 01, they fixed it that year and you may have the good cylinder head. Look at the stamped side (driver) on the lower head if you have a 0331 - even the fixed ones still have the same 0331stamp, if you don't, no worries. If you do, just watch the water level for constant drops and oil sludge on the oil cap. Transmission wise, auto aw4 will last forever provided it has always dex3 and good cooling, stock cooler plain sucks. That's the story with Jeeps, ain't yours till you do some sort of mod to it, lol. Btw, for whoever wants to get a Cherokee, 99 is the year to go, it has the good head, and it's the newest year guaranteed to have no head issues.

flman · **Posted:** Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:16 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

LS12FAST4U wrote:

For all the money you will spend to put the 3.7 in it you might as well fix the 2.8. The 3.7 isn't the greatest engine either. It had oil pump problems and also the pcv system is crap. It collects lots of moisture in the bottomend aand if you only drive short trips you never get the engine hot enough to get the moisture out of it. Even with regular oil changes the bottom end has problems. Simple and easy to see the moisture build up to. Take off the oil cap and you will see lots of yellow nasty foam and sludge.

Never heard of any oil pump issues in the 3.7.Easy cure for that sludge in the oil fill is to drive it more then 2 miles.The 3.7 is 10 times the engine the 2.8 will ever be.With very little maintenance you can go well over 200k in a 3.7,you need major repairs(yes a timing belt is a major repair) and all the luck in the world to break 100k without a $5000+ repair bill with the 2.8.

LOL, I would love to see how many minutes the 3.7 main bearings would last if it had the torque of the VM 2.8 abusing it. :ROTFL:

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:27 pm

flman wrote:

LOL, I would love to see how many minutes the 3.7 main bearings would last if it had the torque of the VM 2.8 abusing it. :ROTFL:

Probably longer then the 2.8's can handle it since the 3.7 uses a girdled mains.

flman · **Posted:** Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:07 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

flman wrote:

LOL, I would love to see how many minutes the 3.7 main bearings would last if it had the torque of the VM 2.8 abusing it. :ROTFL:

Probably longer then the 2.8's can handle it since the 3.7 uses a girdled mains.

Tunnel design is superior. :goink:

Brianawd · **Joined:** Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:59 pm **Posts:** 130

tjkj2002 wrote:

flman wrote:

LOL, I would love to see how many minutes the 3.7 main bearings would last if it had the torque of the VM 2.8 abusing it. :ROTFL:

Probably longer then the 2.8's can handle it since the 3.7 uses a girdled mains.

CRD does not use a normal bolt in main cap. The whole block acts as a girdle and the crank slides in like a cam. So no your 3.7 girdle will not handle more torque

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:29 pm

bugnout wrote:

Just heard a radio advertisement from a local garage that specializes in Ford Diesel EGR cleaning, Head gasket replacement.

If that guy can make a living in that narrow niche, I think the argument for the EPA being the issue is pretty good.

Yup,
The EPA has outlived its' usefulness and any more is nothing more than a Government Agency paid for by our taxes, that is a Political Weapon of Political Activists. All of the EPA regulations should be reviewed by an organization made up of Environmental Engineers who know what is real and what is BS and rule accordingly. Anyone who wants to tell me that Engineers are not made up of a full range political spectrum from Left to Right is smoking CRACK made from Monsanto GMO Coca plants.

thermorex · **Posted:** Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:25 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

Anyone who wants to tell me that Engineers are not made up of a full range political spectrum from Left to Right is smoking CRACK made from Monsanto GMO Coca plants.

flman · **Posted:** Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:02 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

flman wrote:

LOL, I would love to see how many minutes the 3.7 main bearings would last if it had the torque of the VM 2.8 abusing it. :ROTFL:

Probably longer then the 2.8's can handle it since the 3.7 uses a girdled mains.

Also, did you ever have a 3.7 that was putting out 400 ft lb or torque on those superior mains? :-)r

Turbo tuned 2.8 can do this. :rockon:

ill take the loss.. i just want out!

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