In the shop again

oldnavy · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:59 pm

Reggie wrote:

midwest wrote:

If you read forums for other diesel vehicles there seems to be a distinct pattern. People will report all sorts of unusual problems, then at the end, in their signature you see they have some sort of "super duper all star program" or "chip" hooked up to their engine. I'm not saying that is your problem, but when you say it seems the fuel is going on/off,,,,,one has to wonder.

To each his own, but my CRD and POWERSTROKE are fine all stock.

Bull pucky! Mine is bone stock, well maintained and is in the shop yet again. DC still refuses to fix the transmission shudder. This is a design/manufacturing issue that a lot of have and DC will not step up to the plate. This is, by far, the worst POS I have EVER owned. I guess all of the problems that I and others have had (Look at the glowplug & egr polls) are just imaginary, due to mods, poor maintenance, or bad fuel.

Nope you were just lucky enough to get a problem child and probably don't have very good tech's work on the CRD.

Inet_CRD · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:32 pm

I have the 55-65mph stutter problem as well (bone stock except for the elephant mod). A common thread for the problem seems to be 'when I let off the throttle". It seems to me from my understanding of when the egr comes into play, that this is an EGR problem and not a tranny problem. It would be interesting to see exactly what the egr is doing when this problem happens. I'd be willing to bet that it's fluttering away between two setpoints causing the engine to stutter. Another common thread seems to be that when a good dose of throttle is applied the problem goes away, well a good dose of throttle should close the egr and perhaps explain why the problem goes away. Just wondering if running ULSD will fix the problem and maybe that's why DCX isn't addressing this issue?

TDI4BY · **Joined:** Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:56 pm **Posts:** 644

I think that is why mine doesn't do it on Bio. Because it burns much cleaner so when the EGR is dumping exhaust down my poor little CRD's throat it chokes on diesel but not on Bio-D. That has been my theory all along. An "overactive" EGR acts the same on gassers too.

BlackLibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:09 pm

Inet_CRD wrote:

I have the 55-65mph stutter problem as well (bone stock except for the elephant mod). A common thread for the problem seems to be 'when I let off the throttle". It seems to me from my understanding of when the egr comes into play, that this is an EGR problem and not a tranny problem. It would be interesting to see exactly what the egr is doing when this problem happens. I'd be willing to bet that it's fluttering away between two setpoints causing the engine to stutter. Another common thread seems to be that when a good dose of throttle is applied the problem goes away, well a good dose of throttle should close the egr and perhaps explain why the problem goes away. Just wondering if running ULSD will fix the problem and maybe that's why DCX isn't addressing this issue?

I believe you are right. There is a problem with the EGR staying clean and I heard that one tech mention that the EGR shakes it off in the most recent model, 2006?? Don't explain why early models have same problem except if a flash reprograms the egr.

Reggie · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:06 pm

oldnavy wrote:

Reggie wrote:

midwest wrote:

If you read forums for other diesel vehicles there seems to be a distinct pattern. People will report all sorts of unusual problems, then at the end, in their signature you see they have some sort of "super duper all star program" or "chip" hooked up to their engine. I'm not saying that is your problem, but when you say it seems the fuel is going on/off,,,,,one has to wonder.

To each his own, but my CRD and POWERSTROKE are fine all stock.

Bull pucky! Mine is bone stock, well maintained and is in the shop yet again. DC still refuses to fix the transmission shudder. This is a design/manufacturing issue that a lot of have and DC will not step up to the plate. This is, by far, the worst POS I have EVER owned. I guess all of the problems that I and others have had (Look at the glowplug & egr polls) are just imaginary, due to mods, poor maintenance, or bad fuel.

Nope you were just lucky enough to get a problem child and probably don't have very good tech's work on the CRD.

There are too many CRDs on the board with issues to say that there are no design and manufacturing issues. I have switched dealers but that will not resolve the design or manufacturing issues. I would say that you are the one lucky enough to get one that has not had issues. The POS is back at the dealer as I type for yet another glow plug.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:16 pm

Reggie wrote:

oldnavy wrote:

Reggie wrote:

midwest wrote:

If you read forums for other diesel vehicles there seems to be a distinct pattern. People will report all sorts of unusual problems, then at the end, in their signature you see they have some sort of "super duper all star program" or "chip" hooked up to their engine. I'm not saying that is your problem, but when you say it seems the fuel is going on/off,,,,,one has to wonder.

To each his own, but my CRD and POWERSTROKE are fine all stock.

Bull pucky! Mine is bone stock, well maintained and is in the shop yet again. DC still refuses to fix the transmission shudder. This is a design/manufacturing issue that a lot of have and DC will not step up to the plate. This is, by far, the worst POS I have EVER owned. I guess all of the problems that I and others have had (Look at the glowplug & egr polls) are just imaginary, due to mods, poor maintenance, or bad fuel.

Nope you were just lucky enough to get a problem child and probably don't have very good tech's work on the CRD.

There are too many CRDs on the board with issues to say that there are no design and manufacturing issues. I have switched dealers but that will not resolve the design or manufacturing issues. I would say that you are the one lucky enough to get one that has not had issues. The POS is back at the dealer as I type for yet another glow plug.

There are about 8 running around the town now and last I asked last week, they have only had a problem with oil plugs being put back in cross threaded and requiring replacement of oil pan. I have been the only one to have a thrown a code so far in a CRD.

Out of 11k, wonder how many have a problem? Wonder what the % is here on the forum?

Arkycrd · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:04 pm

Hey Blacklibertycrd I've took my crd to the shop 3 weeks ago for 5th time EGR problem, they replaced the EGR valve and gave it back to me. Hard to start and bucking between 50 to 65 mph. Been in the shop waiting on parts so they say for bad injectors.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:15 pm

Oops edited for posting in wrong thread some how????

BlackLibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 8:29 pm

Arkycrd wrote:

Hey Blacklibertycrd I've took my crd to the shop 3 weeks ago for 5th time EGR problem, they replaced the EGR valve and gave it back to me. Hard to start and bucking between 50 to 65 mph. Been in the shop waiting on parts so they say for bad injectors.

I haven't had any EGR replacement or codes, fuel injectors sound like it could be the problem or just bad fuel. I wonder if what the low suffer Shell dino celtane rating is. Only know their fuel not good for 2007 diesel.

RFCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jun 07, 2006 9:36 pm

Reggie wrote:

midwest wrote:

If you read forums for other diesel vehicles there seems to be a distinct pattern. People will report all sorts of unusual problems, then at the end, in their signature you see they have some sort of "super duper all star program" or "chip" hooked up to their engine. I'm not saying that is your problem, but when you say it seems the fuel is going on/off,,,,,one has to wonder.

To each his own, but my CRD and POWERSTROKE are fine all stock.

Bull pucky! Mine is bone stock, well maintained and is in the shop yet again. DC still refuses to fix the transmission shudder. This is a design/manufacturing issue that a lot of have and DC will not step up to the plate. This is, by far, the worst POS I have EVER owned. I guess all of the problems that I and others have had (Look at the glowplug & egr polls) are just imaginary, due to mods, poor maintenance, or bad fuel.

I met with the lawyer today concerning my CRD. Showed him the stack of TSB's, multiple repair visits, photos of my CAC hoses, etc... Said to give them one more chance to admit they have a problem and attempt to correct it. Mentioned that even the short production run then dropping the engine option doesn't look good in front of a jury. If they don't make it right, it won't be a difficult case.

tazer · **Joined:** Wed May 03, 2006 3:35 am **Posts:** 28

Pablo wrote:

Mine used to do it all the time. Dealer retrained the unit. Stopped doing it for two months. Now it is starting over again. This transmission tries to "learn" how you drive. In the hopes that an engineer from DCX will read this and throw themselves (along with a marketing person) on a flaming pyre afterwards, I will comment on the stupidity of this idea:

Your trying to get used to it, and its trying to get used to you, and then one day you go up a hill and that is different than driving in the city and its not sure what to do anymore, and your not sure. And you figure its not right, so you let someone else drive it-- that really throws it off. Now when you drive it, you are on the outs with it. This transmission is like dating some richy B1tch from Scottsdale. I have gotten tired of it-- now I just stab the accelerator down when it starts stuttering, and pop the overdrive button off if need be. Yeah-- smack, get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich or I will hit you harder next time!

Anyway, some people will likely never have this happen, others will have it happen all the time (I go down a country road at 55-65 alot-- I think this makes it alot worse). This also explains fuel/chip changes. If it "learns" one way-- and then you change a variable like fuel quality or add a chip-- it will affect what it does. I just wish they would just perform a lobotomy on this r3t4rd and solve the problem once and for all. I don't need a thinking tranny to try and "adapt" to me-- just shift the same freaking way every time. I don't want to have to get a therapist to communicate with this d4mn thing. Maybe we could class action lawsuit them into removing the programming and having it set at a non-changing default? Would be great press to hit them with right as they launch the 07 Grand.

Ohhh the more I read the more I am glad I got the 3.7.........

Goglio704 · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:03 am

tazer wrote:

Pablo wrote:

Mine used to do it all the time. Dealer retrained the unit. Stopped doing it for two months. Now it is starting over again. This transmission tries to "learn" how you drive. In the hopes that an engineer from DCX will read this and throw themselves (along with a marketing person) on a flaming pyre afterwards, I will comment on the stupidity of this idea:

Your trying to get used to it, and its trying to get used to you, and then one day you go up a hill and that is different than driving in the city and its not sure what to do anymore, and your not sure. And you figure its not right, so you let someone else drive it-- that really throws it off. Now when you drive it, you are on the outs with it. This transmission is like dating some richy B1tch from Scottsdale. I have gotten tired of it-- now I just stab the accelerator down when it starts stuttering, and pop the overdrive button off if need be. Yeah-- smack, get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich or I will hit you harder next time!

Anyway, some people will likely never have this happen, others will have it happen all the time (I go down a country road at 55-65 alot-- I think this makes it alot worse). This also explains fuel/chip changes. If it "learns" one way-- and then you change a variable like fuel quality or add a chip-- it will affect what it does. I just wish they would just perform a lobotomy on this r3t4rd and solve the problem once and for all. I don't need a thinking tranny to try and "adapt" to me-- just shift the same freaking way every time. I don't want to have to get a therapist to communicate with this d4mn thing. Maybe we could class action lawsuit them into removing the programming and having it set at a non-changing default? Would be great press to hit them with right as they launch the 07 Grand.

Ohhh the more I read the more I am glad I got the 3.7.........

The adaptive programming of the transmission is not unique to the CRD. Don't get too wrapped up in the negative comments. Everytime a fence sitter asks us if we'd do it again the overwhelming answer is yes. Glad you like you're Jeep.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:41 am

The tranny in the V6 has the same TSB's out for the same problem. A friend let his go too long before having TSB done, and about week later the tranny self distructed. He is a service writter at the dealership and traded the gasser for a CRD and just loves the diesel, he also is reporting 26 to 28 mpg with his 100 mile daily commute.

Reggie · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:46 am

oldnavy wrote:

Reggie wrote:

oldnavy wrote:

Reggie wrote:

midwest wrote:

If you read forums for other diesel vehicles there seems to be a distinct pattern. People will report all sorts of unusual problems, then at the end, in their signature you see they have some sort of "super duper all star program" or "chip" hooked up to their engine. I'm not saying that is your problem, but when you say it seems the fuel is going on/off,,,,,one has to wonder.

To each his own, but my CRD and POWERSTROKE are fine all stock.

Bull pucky! Mine is bone stock, well maintained and is in the shop yet again. DC still refuses to fix the transmission shudder. This is a design/manufacturing issue that a lot of have and DC will not step up to the plate. This is, by far, the worst POS I have EVER owned. I guess all of the problems that I and others have had (Look at the glowplug & egr polls) are just imaginary, due to mods, poor maintenance, or bad fuel.

Nope you were just lucky enough to get a problem child and probably don't have very good tech's work on the CRD.

There are too many CRDs on the board with issues to say that there are no design and manufacturing issues. I have switched dealers but that will not resolve the design or manufacturing issues. I would say that you are the one lucky enough to get one that has not had issues. The POS is back at the dealer as I type for yet another glow plug.

There are about 8 running around the town now and last I asked last week, they have only had a problem with oil plugs being put back in cross threaded and requiring replacement of oil pan. I have been the only one to have a thrown a code so far in a CRD.

Out of 11k, wonder how many have a problem? Wonder what the % is here on the forum?

Well, on the EGR poll there was about 33% that said it was replaced and most of the other posters that did not have problems had low mileage. I could not find the glow plug poll but I thought the numbers were in the 15 - 20% range. The ball joint poll was at 11%. There was no poll about the tranny shudder issue, but it seems like there is a fair number of members that have this issue. How about a new poll asking if anyone has had a glow plug, egr, tranny, or ball joint issue? Also have posters record their fuel economy and miles on rig? I know I would be interested in this data.

RFCRD · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:38 am

Reggie wrote:

oldnavy wrote:

Reggie wrote:

oldnavy wrote:

Reggie wrote:

midwest wrote:

If you read forums for other diesel vehicles there seems to be a distinct pattern. People will report all sorts of unusual problems, then at the end, in their signature you see they have some sort of "super duper all star program" or "chip" hooked up to their engine. I'm not saying that is your problem, but when you say it seems the fuel is going on/off,,,,,one has to wonder.

To each his own, but my CRD and POWERSTROKE are fine all stock.

Bull pucky! Mine is bone stock, well maintained and is in the shop yet again. DC still refuses to fix the transmission shudder. This is a design/manufacturing issue that a lot of have and DC will not step up to the plate. This is, by far, the worst POS I have EVER owned. I guess all of the problems that I and others have had (Look at the glowplug & egr polls) are just imaginary, due to mods, poor maintenance, or bad fuel.

Nope you were just lucky enough to get a problem child and probably don't have very good tech's work on the CRD.

There are too many CRDs on the board with issues to say that there are no design and manufacturing issues. I have switched dealers but that will not resolve the design or manufacturing issues. I would say that you are the one lucky enough to get one that has not had issues. The POS is back at the dealer as I type for yet another glow plug.

There are about 8 running around the town now and last I asked last week, they have only had a problem with oil plugs being put back in cross threaded and requiring replacement of oil pan. I have been the only one to have a thrown a code so far in a CRD.

Out of 11k, wonder how many have a problem? Wonder what the % is here on the forum?

Well, on the EGR poll there was about 33% that said it was replaced and most of the other posters that did not have problems had low mileage. I could not find the glow plug poll but I thought the numbers were in the 15 - 20% range. The ball joint poll was at 11%. There was no poll about the tranny shudder issue, but it seems like there is a fair number of members that have this issue. How about a new poll asking if anyone has had a glow plug, egr, tranny, or ball joint issue? Also have posters record their fuel economy and miles on rig? I know I would be interested in this data.

A good, non-bias source to find the frequency of problems is DC own TSB's. If it's common enough to warrent issing a TSB, it common to many. Count the TSB's for transmission related issues alone: Defective filters (issued twice now), mentioned in the latest software reflash TSB (as torque converter durability), and the actual TSB for the torque converter rattle/coming apart. There is a common defect in this product, DC knows it.

Reggie · **Posted:** Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:47 am

Wasn't the egr valve also redesigned and the TC part number supreceded? And this is only after 11,000 units.....

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