Just wondering if you ever had one of the previous reflashes or the F31 done?

I'm on TCM #6 as they can't ever seem to reflash mine in the car. Both the F31 and 18-009-06 required installing pre-configured TCM's, of course after waiting for new blank ones that wouldn't take a flash. Your dealer can save you some downtime, just get the replacement TCM with the new software pre-loaded.

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2005 Liberty Sport CRD, Lt Khaki, sunroof

Thankful to now be an EX-CRD owner.

I put my prediator chip back in after sort of straighten out the fuel problem. I had trouble with air and put P/S in and is fine now. Was thinking foaming return to inlet could be problem. Maybe other fuel quality. I never had transmission problem but was flashed by dealer because of symptom caused by the fuel problem. Fuel proublem could make you think transmission problem. Runs great now with P/S added with chip, up to 34 MPG highway.

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2006 Black Jeep Liberty CRD Limited
K&N, Samco Hoses, Michelin 245/70-16 LTX A/T2, Fumoto F-102, V-Force Muffler, Mopar, Hitch, Trailer Wiring, Skid Plates, Slush Mats, Rear Shelf, Predator Stage 1, Transgo, ORM & CodeReader, Facet 40109 Pump
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If for some reason the dealer has ruined 6 TCM's while flashing I can tell you right now that D/C will catch it in the system and hold back warranty funds till the reason is explained for the failures. Most likely the dealer will be out cost of the parts & repair labor.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

So I got my Liberty on a dyno on Friday. They recorded two pulls, but their machine doesn't start recording until after 2000 rpm. Take a gander and let me know what you think.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/29/709725/Dyno1.pdf
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/1/29/709725/Dyno2.pdf

I questioned the tech over and over again about the RPM values for the torque curves and he (and the other guy I spoke to) stand by the charts.


Edit: Reposted PDFs to a more permanent hosting site.

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~James
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Black '05 CRD Sport
L.O.S.T. # 068768
Rock Lizard Skink Sliders, Skid Row tranny skid, Wet Okole seat covers, Black Widow roof basket, front tow hooks, cargo/pet partition, all Amsoil

My CRD is heading back to Cornett Chrysler in Irvine, KY. for the recall early Tuesday morning.....they're hooking the wife up with a free loaner as it's difficult for me to arrange picking her up due to my hours of work at S&S Tire in Lexington. The Service & Sales Departments are great at Cornett Chrysler. When I asked and confirmed the work to be done, it was re-flash, torque convertor, front pump, and both filters.

The re-flash, convertor, and filters have been done previously (3 separate visits best I remember).

I hope this fixes it once and for all. Had this CRD been any other vehicle, I'd ditched it a long time ago. My past experiences with my 3 Dodge RAM 2500's with ye olde Cummins has made me a complete diesel junkie, therefore I'll be a tad more patient with DC regarding the fix on the CRD. It's never left me stranded, and even though it's had more problems than I feel it should, I'm in for the long haul because of the fuel efficiency of the lil' ol 4-banger.

Greg

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2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 3.6L and A8
*SOLD*2005 Jeep Liberty Limited 4x4 CRD, Bright Silver Metallic, Dk/Lt Slate Gray Leather w/bun warmers, 5 spd auto, 22G pkg, Trailer Tow, 3.73 Rear Axle w/Trac-Lok Differential, P235/70R16 Firestone Destination LE's, Power Sunroof, Selec-Trac 4WD, Infinity 6-Disc In-Dash, Magnaflow #15870 System.

Not sure what to think of those except that our peak torque is around 1600-1800rpm so the range on the graph misses that area completely.

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

Yeah, those number might be close but the engine peaks way before that.

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It may be that your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

06 CRD Sport
Built 5/11/06
Jeep Green
Rocklizard diff cover
V6 Airbox

Sorry to send this off topic, but whats P/S stand for? I think this fuel issue is what's causing my bucking after a heavy acceleration and not the converter problem as Oldnavy pointed out in my earlier post a few pages back.

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD LTD, Predator Module, Blizzak DM-Z3's for the Canadian Winters.

2003 Dodge Ram 1500, 5.7L hemi, LT headers, magnaflow exhaust, AFE CAI, 6.1L Cam, transgo shift kit, Programmer, 2800stall converter. 1/4 mile 13.71@97.7mph and I can still haul.

P/S is Power Service diesel fuel additive. Available at Walmart and many auto parts stores.

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Matt B.

05 Limited CRD. Bought it new. 112k on the clock now.

GDE Eco-tune, rear differential drain plug (drilled and tapped the pumpkin), transmission pan drain plug, Fumoto oil valve, fuel filler neck restriction removed, front hitch, Hayden fan clutch, Sears P1 battery since 08, Mobil 1 5w40, 5 volt glow plugs, DIY timing belt at 109k

Cool, thx for the info. I'll pick some up tonight and see if that makes a difference.

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD LTD, Predator Module, Blizzak DM-Z3's for the Canadian Winters.

2003 Dodge Ram 1500, 5.7L hemi, LT headers, magnaflow exhaust, AFE CAI, 6.1L Cam, transgo shift kit, Programmer, 2800stall converter. 1/4 mile 13.71@97.7mph and I can still haul.

It's Power Service, I used the gray bottle.

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2006 Black Jeep Liberty CRD Limited
K&N, Samco Hoses, Michelin 245/70-16 LTX A/T2, Fumoto F-102, V-Force Muffler, Mopar, Hitch, Trailer Wiring, Skid Plates, Slush Mats, Rear Shelf, Predator Stage 1, Transgo, ORM & CodeReader, Facet 40109 Pump
"IT'S A DIESEL THING, YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND"
Certified Services Auto & Truck Repair

They have two formulas. White bottle has anti gel in it and the Silver bottle does not. I only had one case of fuel gelling and that was in 1979 when the warmest it got in a week was seven below zero So I use the silver bottle as my cars park in a semi heated garage every night and it's not that cold in central Ohio. But if your climate may be different. I have used ps in my last 3 tanks of fuel on my crd and the first two the shudder was gone and it ran fantastic. but the current tank must not be as goof of fuel as the shudder has returned If's used it in all my siesels over the years and have never had a injection type of problem

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Atlantic Blue 06 CRD Limited (his)
Joined by a 2000 XJ Classic (hers)

The torque peaks @ 1800 RPM according to the published specs while the power hits its peak of 160hp @ 3600 RPM. I can certainly understand 3750 RPM for the peak power, but double the RPM for the torque? I don't buy it.

I'm debating having it re-run. The shop said they can start recording data as low as 500 RPM, but then the printout is a sheet with all numbers, which I'd have to enter myself into Excel and come up with a graph.

Any thoughts on having one run entirely in 1st gear and a second run going through all gears? That might be a good way to go. Since I don't even have an appointment scheduled yet for F37, I might wait to see if there's a Christmas bonus in my future.

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~James
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Black '05 CRD Sport
L.O.S.T. # 068768
Rock Lizard Skink Sliders, Skid Row tranny skid, Wet Okole seat covers, Black Widow roof basket, front tow hooks, cargo/pet partition, all Amsoil

Interesting test results but a waste of time and money if they don't peak the torque load on the engine in the 1800-2200 RPM range. This isn't a race engine, 3500-4000 RPM is way past the torque peak. Maybe try this range to get their machine to load and then slow the engine and let it pull under load in the 1800-2200 range. I would also suspect you will need to be in at least 3rd gear + TC lock-up to get meaningful readings on torque.

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2005 Liberty Sport CRD, Lt Khaki, sunroof

Thankful to now be an EX-CRD owner.

Just had this done.

What is label gene 14086100 part # 4275086-AB?

I think that is the sticker they should have put under the hood to tell everybody the recall has been done.

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Matt B.

05 Limited CRD. Bought it new. 112k on the clock now.

GDE Eco-tune, rear differential drain plug (drilled and tapped the pumpkin), transmission pan drain plug, Fumoto oil valve, fuel filler neck restriction removed, front hitch, Hayden fan clutch, Sears P1 battery since 08, Mobil 1 5w40, 5 volt glow plugs, DIY timing belt at 109k

Weegie,

When you ran your tests, what was the test procedure? What gear selector position did you have it in, did you get a rolling start, then mash it with passing gear and let it shift, or did you just nail it from a standing start? Without divulging the confidentiality of the ECU SW, there are some things I can offer as an explanation if I have some more details of what you did, and also what to expect next time.

Unfortunately, I wasn't allowed in the garage when the tests were run. They told me they put it in 2nd gear (from park or neutral), and from what I could see they just stomped on it. From the looks of the printouts, no data was recorded until it had already shifted into second gear.

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~James
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Black '05 CRD Sport
L.O.S.T. # 068768
Rock Lizard Skink Sliders, Skid Row tranny skid, Wet Okole seat covers, Black Widow roof basket, front tow hooks, cargo/pet partition, all Amsoil

I would doubt the PS alone would solve the fuel problems you "may" be having. I supect either air in lines from loose fitting or a large pocket of air in the filter, but it could also be a filter plugging up from stash or biological growth from the fuel you bought somewhere.

One needs to rememer that mico organisms can grow in regular #2 diesel as well as biodiesel, it has been a common problem for diesel owners for years. If you have taken a sample of the fuel and it has little black dot looking things in it you have a bio bloom in your tank, same applies to a milky white looking stuff that could be bio bloom in biodiesel.

Most likely problem if fuel related is air in filter for some reason and is easy to check by purging at the filter head. If there is a lot of air there and problems continues recheck for air in filter. If you have air in filter again then you have a loose line or connection somewhere.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

So does PS keep foaming down? If so could it be possible that without PS that air is collecting in the filter and stays there until there is enough flow to push it out--say right after a "brisk" acceleration to merge onto the freeway?

And could the air get in their due to either sloshing or because of the return line?

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It may be that your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

06 CRD Sport
Built 5/11/06
Jeep Green
Rocklizard diff cover
V6 Airbox