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But wait. That's not all. If you order now, you will also get this fantastic set of microfiber towels. They are fabulous for wiping your hands after changing your oil (even synthetic).


BUT WAIT! THERE'S EVER MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you order in the next 10 minutes, I'll double your order and add in the world famous TRUNK MONKEY for FREE (processing + S&H extra) offer not valid in Canada, CA, OH, FL, NY, NJ


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boy this thread sure took a turn on a new path.

I like the trunk monkey! I need one too what are they 5 payments of $49.99? Oh wait if you are one of the first 200 callers we will make it only 4 payments.......LOL :roll:

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Aye :P

This is how we naturally defuse a thread hat is about to blow with out popcorn :twisted:

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it gave me a few laughs... Thanks

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It's under more information: https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/afl.aspx
I'm a CRD owner and have been following the LOST forum for a long time to learn more about what other CRD owners are doing and using to improve their Jeeps. In fact I never heard of AMSOIL until I read about it in this fourm. Then I contacted another Jeep CRD owner who was using it and decided to use it myself based on others experience. I'm not a big forum or blog user. It is hard to not correct misinformation. I don't care what product others use however I think it is important they have the correct information to make an informed decision. I hope this is helpful. :)


I need new coat tails, mine are worn out now. :?

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Yeah... it was the same when I hung out at subaruoutback.org "My oil is better than your oil" and sure it is if you think so. I respect others choices and the reasons they come up with even if I don't agree completely. For now my oil of choice is Shell Rotella T 5w40. other members here used it, recomended it, I can get it easily, and at a fair price thats why I chose to use it. I have thought about switching to amsoil. but I won't do it unless I can go 12,000 miles on it.

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It's under more information: https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/afl.aspx
I'm a CRD owner and have been following the LOST forum for a long time to learn more about what other CRD owners are doing and using to improve their Jeeps. In fact I never heard of AMSOIL until I read about it in this fourm. Then I contacted another Jeep CRD owner who was using it and decided to use it myself based on others experience. I'm not a big forum or blog user. It is hard to not correct misinformation. I don't care what product others use however I think it is important they have the correct information to make an informed decision. I hope this is helpful. :)


I need new coat tails, mine are worn out now. :?

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Help I got a sticker from"Big Oil" it was Soooooooooooooooo big it covered the US and now no one can get out! :P


Does anyone know the location of the Amsoil refinery?

My guess is they don't have one. Their synthetic base oils are probably from polyalphaolefins...which get their feedstocks from "Big Oil." ...so...uh...this doesn't fool anyone. It may be Big Oil that supplies the base stock to Amsoil or a big company like Dow Chemical.


They are a small American company located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several regional warehouses strategically located and distributed through a worldwide network of independent Dealers. You will never see the product in the "big box stores". If your really interested, the history is on the web site of a jet fighter squadron commander Lieutenant Colonel Albert J. Amatuzio who witness synthetic lubricants in action withstand rigorous and lengthy engine operation without chemical breakdown in jet engines. Most people like many of you, thought he was nuts to think this should be available for the average vehicle.

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In Canada Amsoil is sold in "Big Box Stores" and is very close to double the price of comparable products........ so the dust gathers..........Double the price I would expect double the quality.... not so.

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Help I got a sticker from"Big Oil" it was Soooooooooooooooo big it covered the US and now no one can get out! :P


Does anyone know the location of the Amsoil refinery?

My guess is they don't have one. Their synthetic base oils are probably from polyalphaolefins...which get their feedstocks from "Big Oil." ...so...uh...this doesn't fool anyone. It may be Big Oil that supplies the base stock to Amsoil or a big company like Dow Chemical.


They are a small American company located in Superior, Wisconsin, with several regional warehouses strategically located and distributed through a worldwide network of independent Dealers. You will never see the product in the "big box stores". If your really interested, the history is on the web site of a jet fighter squadron commander Lieutenant Colonel Albert J. Amatuzio who witness synthetic lubricants in action withstand rigorous and lengthy engine operation without chemical breakdown in jet engines. Most people like many of you, thought he was nuts to think this should be available for the average vehicle.


...the application of hydrocarbon-based oils in jet applications were displaced by silicone lubricants from Dow Corning Corp. because of their superior chemical and temperature stability, flat viscosity vs. temperature curve, extremely low vapor pressure (allowed planes to reach higher altitudes) in the 1940's and 1950's. Sorry Amsoil.

I can't believe I'm saying this (Warp must be rubbing off on me :wink:)...the Amsoil Corporate mothership must send a case of Kool-Aid packets with their first shipment of product to their distributors. I'm just not used to seeing this much blind dedication and denial.


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:( Sorry, just heard about you being a disgruntled employee. :P

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kdlewis1975 wrote:

...the application of hydrocarbon-based oils in jet applications were displaced by silicone lubricants from Dow Corning Corp. because of their superior chemical and temperature stability, flat viscosity vs. temperature curve, extremely low vapor pressure (allowed planes to reach higher altitudes) in the 1940's and 1950's. Sorry Amsoil.

Whats the point? Amsoil doesn't make aviation lubes. Al used existing synthetic oil technology to create the 1st API automotive synthetic oil in the U.S. Why be sorry?

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I can't believe I'm saying this (Warp must be rubbing off on me :wink:)...the Amsoil Corporate mothership must send a case of Kool-Aid packets with their first shipment of product to their distributors. I'm just not used to seeing this much blind dedication and denial.


Denial of what? Amsoil makes some of the best automotive lube products you can buy so why not be dedicated to a great product?

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I always enjoy a good oil debate and have used Amsoil when I can get it cheap. I just have a problem with these guys who come in spouting how much better it is because of it's higher flash point, etc, and cut and paste directly from Amsoil's website. If you have info on how it will prolong your engine's life or save money (neither of which are often born out by mathematics), show that you have a pair, and post with your own words and opinions. Don't just cut and paste and turn the board into an infomercial.

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So ambient operating temps aside, there is no reason to not use dino 15-40 because VM specs this in other applications? I assume this means the engines tolerances aren't too tight to allow a "thicker" oil to lubricate. Which means here in the south east it should do nicely.


If what you are saying is true then yeah I guess you could use Dino 15w40 in the southern states, but you would need to change it more often. like 3000 - 5000 miles not the 6000- to 12,000 you can get with a synthethic oil. The lighter oil also helps give better feul economy too.

I have never been able to find 0w40 Mobile one in local stores, can anyone else just walking to a store and buy it?
At operating temps is does not matter if you use 15w-40,5w-40,or 0w-40 since at operating temps they all will be at 40 weight viscosity.The only advantage of the 5w/0w over the 15w is for start ability in colder temps.So as long as you live in a place that never gets below 32 degrees 15W-40 is a great choice for your 2.8,cheaper and easier to find also.The reason for the 5w/0w speced oil for the 2.8 is from multiple starts/stops that it will see compared to most of the bigger diesels that seldom get turned off,a wear issue but if you do alot of highway driving there will be no difference between the 5w/0w compared to the 15w oils.



Exactly right. If anyone is concerned about 15w40 startability in cold weather, then... www.wolverineheater.com

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Your missing the point!

The superior quality of AMSOIL synthetic motor oil doesn't brake down like DINO oil! A 100% synthetic motor provides the ultimate in protection and performance in your CRD. You need to keep synthetic motor oils free from dirt that is what causes engine ware.
Recommended Sampling Frequency for the most comprehensive analysis possible on diesel engines is 100 - 500 hours or 3500 - 20,000 miles. 8)


First, you need to go back to school and better your word spelling.

Next, I have taken diesels to almost 1.5 million (yes MILLION) miles on dino oil and doing 30,000 mile OCI's (no bypass filtration). Amsoil and other high end synthetics are good, but they are not the great cure all for what ails an engine. The pricing variable for the results is not worth it for a lot of individuals. Most of the motoring public turns over car ownership far and away a lot sooner than the engine will wear out anyway.

Keeping oil clean? Isn't that what bypass filtration was designed to do? There are a lot of examples in transport trucks of oil change intervals going to over 100,000 miles on dino oil. Synthetic oil will "dirty" up just as fast as any dino oil. Soot does not favor or disciminate against any oil. The additive package used will make the difference more than whether an oil is a synthetic or dino.

I have personally run Amsoil synthetics, Schaeffer synthetics, and other thru various semi trucks, with not enough beneficial results to continue the practice. In some engines, a Group IV synthetic like Amsoil will actually increase lead corrosion in bearings. Not because the oil is not lubricating, but because some bearing metalurgy is suseptable to corrosion with a PAO based oil. So, I have settled on a Group III (40%) and Group II (60%) synthetic blend from a regional supplier under their own label, for around $9 a gallon. The base oils are from the largest base oil supplier in the world (Motiva) and one of the largest add pack suppliers (Infineum). Various brands use these same suppliers for their oils and the pricing at the consumer level is usually based on nothing more than the label on the bottle. Oil samples are as good or better as any that I had with the higher end full synthetics. Same is true for my CRD and other small engines. There is no real appreciable changes in metal wear numbers, TBN retention, and viscosity changes between the various full synthetics, synthetic blends, and straight dino oils.

All those LAB test results are neat on paper, but in the real world, they usually don't exhibit that great of a differentiation in performance.

I really have no concern over what someone decides to buy, it's their money. All of the major oil brands (and most of the lessor known brands) will provide adequate lubrication for all but the most extreme operating conditions. The full synthetics are darn good oils. But the lessor synthetics and blends usually perform just as well in real world environments and cost substantially less. But, of course, brand loyalty seems to be based on a feeling more than actual real world testing. And that's ok too.

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Exactly right. If anyone is concerned about 15w40 startability in cold weather, then... www.wolverineheater.com[/quote]


I have the Canadian version of this heater (Polar Pad), works darn good. -50C with a wind chill plugged in for 3-4 hours and it starts like summer.

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CRDs have a block heater which I didn't use very often last winter. But I think ideas on keeping the fuel warm would be useful. http://www.wolverineheater.com I see they also make a battery and fuel filter heater.

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Never had an issue with fuel, but when it hits the -15C mark the CRD smokes like a steam engine if not plugged in, also runs rough for 30sec to a minute. Today is - 43C with the wind chill (-30 without) plugged in for 2 hours and no problem.

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It's under more information: https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/afl.aspx
I'm a CRD owner and have been following the LOST forum for a long time to learn more about what other CRD owners are doing and using to improve their Jeeps. In fact I never heard of AMSOIL until I read about it in this fourm. Then I contacted another Jeep CRD owner who was using it and decided to use it myself based on others experience. I'm not a big forum or blog user. It is hard to not correct misinformation. I don't care what product others use however I think it is important they have the correct information to make an informed decision. I hope this is helpful. :)


OK then why doesn't Jeep recommend it? They did recommend BP and Mobile 1 to me. Personally I would rather use BP or Castrol but neither provide the oil I need here in the US.

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Wow! Has internet, but is off the grid! Neat!

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