2014 Ram 1500 to get V6 diesel option

MrMopar64 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:27 am

Joe Romas wrote:

MrMopar64 wrote:

The engine in the Cruze is the 2.0L 4-cyl from GM Powertrain Europe. Coincidentally, that engine was born out of the previous cooperation between GM and Fiat Powertrain so it's the same base engine design as the Fiat 2.0L Family-B engine that they use now in Chrysler products.

That's not what it says here :SOMBRERO:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VM_Motori

It says it's a VM built under license by GM/Daewoo. Look under "Products and licensing" :POPCORN:

Or here
http://www.leftlanenews.com/diesel-chev ... -2013.html

Sorry but the article is wrong.
The VM engine from the Cruze is the old one that's used in some other markets.
The engine coming to the US is the engine that was designed by GM and Fiat Powertrain, the 2.0L FamilyB / 2.0L JTD.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/2 ... uze-diesel

arengant · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:28 am

On the cruse link in wikipedia it shows the gm diesel gets 7 more cc's...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Cruze

saabflyer89 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:04 pm

Just reading through all this and one big thing I think everyone is forgetting when it comes to Gas vs Diesel is that when you do haul something your diesel is going to get much better mileage than the gas pulling the same load. So even if the 3.0L only gets maybe 5 MPG better than the Pentastar 3.6L empty weight I know that when I pull or load up the bed my mileage isn't going to fall into the teens I would bet I'd still be getting somewhere close to what the 3.6 was getting empty. Just my thoughts. I would really like to seem them put that into the Durango. I really like the new look of those and I've heard the 3.6 is just a little under powered (kinda like the grand Cherokee with the 4.0L) and the Hemi while it is a nice engine isn't to great on gas. If I could get the 3.0 in that and a 6 or 8 speed tranny which returned around 25-28 I'd be sold in a heart beat.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 1:18 pm

saabflyer89 wrote:

I think everyone is forgetting when it comes to Gas vs Diesel is that when you do haul something your diesel is going to get much better mileage than the gas pulling the same load. So even if the 3.0L only gets maybe 5 MPG better than the Pentastar 3.6L empty weight I know that when I pull or load up the bed my mileage isn't going to fall into the teens I would bet I'd still be getting somewhere close to what the 3.6 was getting empty. Just my thoughts.

Very few people tow and those who do most likely don't tow but a few times per year. But you bring up a good point for those who do tow. With diesel prices substantially higher than gasoline prices, that factor should be considered as well.

arengant · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 3:21 pm

dieselenthusiast wrote:

saabflyer89 wrote:

I think everyone is forgetting when it comes to Gas vs Diesel is that when you do haul something your diesel is going to get much better mileage than the gas pulling the same load. So even if the 3.0L only gets maybe 5 MPG better than the Pentastar 3.6L empty weight I know that when I pull or load up the bed my mileage isn't going to fall into the teens I would bet I'd still be getting somewhere close to what the 3.6 was getting empty. Just my thoughts.

Very few people tow and those who do most likely don't tow but a few times per year. But you bring up a good point for those who do tow. With diesel prices substantially higher than gasoline prices, that factor should be considered as well.

For me, Diesel is cheaper than gas (cheaper by $.02 compared to regular here on the island TESORO has Diesel at $4.29 and regular gas at $4.33) and I am getting 100% bio for about $.40 (@ $4.69-filled up 18 gallons today) more than the cheapest diesel on island...

I would really like the 3.0 to be bio ready, but I'd hate to void a warranty by running more than B20.

ChooChooman74 · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:16 pm

dieselenthusiast wrote:

saabflyer89 wrote:

I think everyone is forgetting when it comes to Gas vs Diesel is that when you do haul something your diesel is going to get much better mileage than the gas pulling the same load. So even if the 3.0L only gets maybe 5 MPG better than the Pentastar 3.6L empty weight I know that when I pull or load up the bed my mileage isn't going to fall into the teens I would bet I'd still be getting somewhere close to what the 3.6 was getting empty. Just my thoughts.

Very few people tow and those who do most likely don't tow but a few times per year. But you bring up a good point for those who do tow. With diesel prices substantially higher than gasoline prices, that factor should be considered as well.

Diesel isn't all that much higher. About theevel of premium. But I want the 3.0 to tow. The ecoboost was sparking my interest until this was announced.

Where the diesel will shine is towing at altitude. You won't be screaming and the lost of power is significantly less at altitude because of the turbo.

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jinstall · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:44 pm

arengant wrote:

dieselenthusiast wrote:

saabflyer89 wrote:

I think everyone is forgetting when it comes to Gas vs Diesel is that when you do haul something your diesel is going to get much better mileage than the gas pulling the same load. So even if the 3.0L only gets maybe 5 MPG better than the Pentastar 3.6L empty weight I know that when I pull or load up the bed my mileage isn't going to fall into the teens I would bet I'd still be getting somewhere close to what the 3.6 was getting empty. Just my thoughts.

Very few people tow and those who do most likely don't tow but a few times per year. But you bring up a good point for those who do tow. With diesel prices substantially higher than gasoline prices, that factor should be considered as well.

For me, Diesel is cheaper than gas (cheaper by $.02 compared to regular here on the island TESORO has Diesel at $4.29 and regular gas at $4.33) and I am getting 100% bio for about $.40 (@ $4.69-filled up 18 gallons today) more than the cheapest diesel on island...

I would really like the 3.0 to be bio ready, but I'd hate to void a warranty by running more than B20.

My son has told me this several times that everyone in the islands run Bio. I would as well but there is none here.

arengant · **Posted:** Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:08 pm

jinstall wrote:

arengant wrote:

For me, Diesel is cheaper than gas (cheaper by $.02 compared to regular here on the island TESORO has Diesel at $4.29 and regular gas at $4.33) and I am getting 100% bio for about $.40 (@ $4.69-filled up 18 gallons today) more than the cheapest diesel on island...

I would really like the 3.0 to be bio ready, but I'd hate to void a warranty by running more than B20.

My son has told me this several times that everyone in the islands run Bio. I would as well but there is none here.

I checked today and it does meet astm standards, so it's good quality, and I am guessing it is made locally versus imported so that is why the price gap is so small (compared to when I was getting it in the mainland). Of course if I did get a second diesel (GC or RAM) I would be shipping it back to the mainland eventually and have to track down a good bio place again.

Drewd · **Joined:** Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:24 pm **Posts:** 902

[/quote]Diesel isn't all that much higher. About theevel of premium. But I want the 3.0 to tow. The ecoboost was sparking my interest until this was announced.

Where the diesel will shine is towing at altitude. You won't be screaming and the lost of power is significantly less at altitude because of the turbo.

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I agree especially when towing on Route 101 adjacent to Jerimoth Hill (812 ASL) in Rhode Island, you gotta have that extra torque of a diesel, especially if you start out in Pawtucket at 31ft ASL. :goink:

Pulled a 2,5000 lb trailer over Hoosier Pass 11,542 ft ASL yesterday, it was nice smoking the gassers struggling,

My driveway has a higher elevation gain than in the entire state Rhode Island!

Drew, displaced RI native living in CO.

ChooChooman74 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:17 am

Drewd wrote:

Diesel isn't all that much higher. About theevel of premium. But I want the 3.0 to tow. The ecoboost was sparking my interest until this was announced.

Where the diesel will shine is towing at altitude. You won't be screaming and the lost of power is significantly less at altitude because of the turbo.

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I agree especially when towing on Route 101 adjacent to Jerimoth Hill (812 ASL) in Rhode Island, you gotta have that extra torque of a diesel, especially if you start out in Pawtucket at 31ft ASL. :goink:

Pulled a 2,5000 lb trailer over Hoosier Pass 11,542 ft ASL yesterday, it was nice smoking the gassers struggling,

My driveway has a higher elevation gain than in the entire state Rhode Island!

Drew, displaced RI native living in CO.[/quote]
LMAO. Well I gotta go over the Berkshires on the Mass Pike. Not as high but will be a test.

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dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:37 am

Okay guys, let’s be honest. Can we agree that diesel prices “on average” are about 50 cents more per gallon than regular gasoline? We aren’t going to compare Premium gasoline to diesel because the Pentastar and many other gasoline power vehicles do not require premium. If you have a 25 gallon tank, the consumer is going to be paying $12.50 cents more per fill up for diesel than gasoline. I realize that’s not a lot of money, but over a course of 1 year of driving, the consumer is going to spend $600 dollars more per year if they fill up once per week. Now you have to justify the price of a diesel over a gasoline engine, and that’s several more thousand that you have to make up in fuel economy. I’m simply pointing out that there are a lot of people who don’t do enough towing to justify the diesel option over the gasoline option, especially when diesel prices have been higher than gasoline prices for the last several years. Also, how many people are willing to pay $2,300 over the cost of a Hemi, which is already $2,000 dollars more than the Pentastar? In other words, the Pentastar can achieve 25 mpg for $4,300 less than the diesel option that might get 28 mpg. I understand that there are people out there (like myself) who will buy the diesel just because it’s a diesel, but I’m in the few minority who will do that.

thermorex · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:47 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Okay guys, let’s be honest. Can we agree that diesel prices “on average” are about 50 cents more per gallon than regular gasoline? We aren’t going to compare Premium gasoline to diesel because the Pentastar and many other gasoline power vehicles do not require premium. If you have a 25 gallon tank, the consumer is going to be paying $12.50 cents more per fill up for diesel than gasoline. I realize that’s not a lot of money, but over a course of 1 year of driving, the consumer is going to spend $600 dollars more per year if they fill up once per week. Now you have to justify the price of a diesel over a gasoline engine, and that’s several more thousand that you have to make up in fuel economy. I’m simply pointing out that there are a lot of people who don’t do enough towing to justify the diesel option over the gasoline option, especially when diesel prices have been higher than gasoline prices for the last several years. Also, how many people are willing to pay $2,300 over the cost of a Hemi, which is already $2,000 dollars more than the Pentastar? In other words, the Pentastar can achieve 25 mpg for $4,300 less than the diesel option that might get 28 mpg. I understand that there are people out there (like myself) who will buy the diesel just because it’s a diesel, but I’m in the few minority who will do that.

Very good point! One of the advantages of diesel is that you can store it almost forever versus gasoline, that due to methanol decomposes in water over time. Not very useful unless in an emergency like hurricane sandy, when everybody piles up at the gas stations. Having some 55gal barrels filled up with diesel (and also a diesel generator) would definitely give you some peace of mind... But that's off topic, lol.

jinstall · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:57 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Okay guys, let’s be honest. Can we agree that diesel prices “on average” are about 50 cents more per gallon than regular gasoline? We aren’t going to compare Premium gasoline to diesel because the Pentastar and many other gasoline power vehicles do not require premium. If you have a 25 gallon tank, the consumer is going to be paying $12.50 cents more per fill up for diesel than gasoline. I realize that’s not a lot of money, but over a course of 1 year of driving, the consumer is going to spend $600 dollars more per year if they fill up once per week. Now you have to justify the price of a diesel over a gasoline engine, and that’s several more thousand that you have to make up in fuel economy. I’m simply pointing out that there are a lot of people who don’t do enough towing to justify the diesel option over the gasoline option, especially when diesel prices have been higher than gasoline prices for the last several years. Also, how many people are willing to pay $2,300 over the cost of a Hemi, which is already $2,000 dollars more than the Pentastar? In other words, the Pentastar can achieve 25 mpg for $4,300 less than the diesel option that might get 28 mpg. I understand that there are people out there (like myself) who will buy the diesel just because it’s a diesel, but I’m in the few minority who will do that.

I use premium in all my vehicles that are gas. Now that I am at 4000ft and still towing, it makes sense for me. I have not bought regular gas for a car I own since 2005.

thermorex · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:07 am

There is the forever debate of wasting money on premium gas versus what the manufacturer specifies (most domestic cars use regular). It theory, the engines that require premium have a slightly higher compression ratio and the premium gas is supposed to prevent the compression ignition, from what I remember. I personally don't feel any improvement with premium over regular on my xj, just differences on the brand, probably the additives they use, Sunoco seems to be the best in my area, both in mileage and throttle response. But I met people that can swear that premium gas gives them better mileage and car runs smoother.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:09 am

jinstall wrote:

I use premium in all my vehicles that are gas. Now that I am at 4000ft and still towing, it makes sense for me. I have not bought regular gas for a car I own since 2005.

You are a rare bird. Why would you use higher octane at higher elevation? I live at 7,000 feet, there is no need for higher octane. Air is thinner at higher altitude. "Less air going into the cylinders means less pressure at top dead center when things go bang. It's a lot like lowering the compression ratio in the engine, reducing the need for high octane. Cars will run just fine on lower-octane fuel when they're well above sea level." Either way, most consumers follow their owners manual and do not run higher octane unless otherwise specified.

ChooChooman74 · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:03 pm

On a side note, Ford suggests using premium while towing with the ecoboost. I can see why. High compression turbocharged engine. Almost like a race car. Oh by the way, diesel is on a roll in winning the 24hrs of LeMans for the last 7 years... Even with the restrictions they keep adding.

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thermorex · **Posted:** Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:11 pm

ChooChooman74 wrote:

On a side note, Ford suggests using premium while towing with the ecoboost. I can see why. High compression turbocharged engine. Almost like a race car. Oh by the way, diesel is on a roll in winning the 24hrs of LeMans for the last 7 years... Even with the restrictions they keep adding.

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Yea, but they do bc of great mileage and less pit stops. Never the less, I'm also a diesel fan, lol.

vandelizm · **Joined:** Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:45 pm **Posts:** 4

Anyone know if you can run it on B100? The manual says not to run higher than B20. Any thoughts before I drop 30k?

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:29 pm

vandelizm wrote:

Anyone know if you can run it on B100? The manual says not to run higher than B20. Any thoughts before I drop 30k?

I personally would not. Can it? Yes. Should you? No.

Here's an update for those who are out of the loop: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2013 ... lb-ft.html

arengant · **Posted:** Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:17 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

Okay guys, let’s be honest. Can we agree that diesel prices “on average” are about 50 cents more per gallon than regular gasoline? We aren’t going to compare Premium gasoline to diesel because the Pentastar and many other gasoline power vehicles do not require premium. If you have a 25 gallon tank, the consumer is going to be paying $12.50 cents more per fill up for diesel than gasoline. I realize that’s not a lot of money, but over a course of 1 year of driving, the consumer is going to spend $600 dollars more per year if they fill up once per week. Now you have to justify the price of a diesel over a gasoline engine, and that’s several more thousand that you have to make up in fuel economy. I’m simply pointing out that there are a lot of people who don’t do enough towing to justify the diesel option over the gasoline option, especially when diesel prices have been higher than gasoline prices for the last several years. Also, how many people are willing to pay $2,300 over the cost of a Hemi, which is already $2,000 dollars more than the Pentastar? In other words, the Pentastar can achieve 25 mpg for $4,300 less than the diesel option that might get 28 mpg. I understand that there are people out there (like myself) who will buy the diesel just because it’s a diesel, but I’m in the few minority who will do that.

Just an FYI, diesel is cheaper than regular here on the Island...

2014 Ram 1500 to get V6 diesel option

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