Green Diesel Engineering - KJ ECU tuner (NEW)

stoutdog · **Posted:** Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:27 pm

Danoid,

So let me get this right, you have already tested this tune? Do you know these guys personally and can vouch for them?

Bigger question: You said you were going to probably replace the TC. Was this purely out of caution or actual need. I'd like to avoid dropping that kind of money on a Suncoast if at all possible!

Thanks.

JL Rockies · **Posted:** Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:35 pm

linewarbr wrote:

JL Rockies wrote:

True, for all we know, he could be that bumper guy.

Who/ what is the bumper guy?

It was a guy who came on the forums, registered as a lifetime member, built a cool bumper for himself and offered it for a cheap introductory price. Sold just enough to get people talking then vanished with everyone else's money ($600 a pop). Out of the ripped-off peeps one went to the PO and had him charged with mail fraud, lo and behold, that person got his bumper. The dude appeared back on the forums to announce that he was having personal problems and he felt pressing charges on him was out of line. He then announced that he sold his design to this "person" who I don't think turned out to be real. Neither person was ever heard from again on this forum.

There are lots of locked forums about it in the outside LOST world. Not saying GDE is the same guy, but the pattern is the same.

gmctd · **Posted:** Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:59 pm

GDE isn't the bumper guy - fairly certain you've all known one of the several hims involved in the CRD project, reading his responses over several years on this forum, always posting engineering-lab data on the engine and EFI system - Danoid states that he has tested the tune for couple months, and says it is valid, and he's certainly not the bumper guy...............

CRD Joe · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:46 am

Well I think its great to have yet another vendor in the mits. Im sad to learn that I missed out on the killer deal though. I guess Ill have to stay with my Inmotion tune for a while.

Glad you guys are around and I look forward to your turbo upgrade.

butcher_block · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:27 am

so if i was to do a man. trans. swap then you all could help with the life of not just the motor but also the life of my trans and transfer case ?

linewarbr · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:04 am

butcher_block wrote:

so if i was to do a man. trans. swap then you all could help with the life of not just the motor but also the life of my trans and transfer case ?

When I spoke to Keith yesterday, I was asking him some questions about their company - i.e., "Why CRD KJ's?" and about their plans for future product development. He said they are doing final preparations for installing the turbo upgrade to test it on one of their KJ's, and that they intend to offer a full driveline-swap kit in the future with a manual trans featuring the redesigned 2.8 CRD engine currently sold in European Jeeps such as the Wrangler.

*Edited due to danoid's post*

danoid · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:51 am

stoutdog wrote:

Danoid,

So let me get this right, you have already tested this tune? Do you know these guys personally and can vouch for them?

Bigger question: You said you were going to probably replace the TC. Was this purely out of caution or actual need. I'd like to avoid dropping that kind of money on a Suncoast if at all possible!

Thanks.

Yes I know the person behind GDE. I've been evaluating the final version since the beginning of June, an earlier version since April. Anyone who has driven a 2.8L engine from a particular engine manufacturer has probably also evaluated calibrations from the same experience source. The reasons behind the sparse contact info is that he also does OEM calibration work and doesn't want to attract the attention of OEM management and potentially jeapordize those relationships. I'm a safe contact because my mouth-2-brain connection prevents my promotion to said management. If I think it's bull, I'll call it bull. I wish I had seen this thread earlier so I could have added my 2 cents and tried to diffuse everyone else's bs alarms.

Since it's off-highway only and out of consideration of my employer the only place I can legally evalutate this is off road. The nearest convienent location being shown here.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the picture on the GDE website with the KJ on three wheels was looks like it was taken in scramble area 1 like this picture of my happy little tractor.

Replacing the torque converter with a higher torque / torsional vibration capacity model is a caution. I have a post F37 torque converter and it is not slipping despite my best attempts. Obtaining this calibration IMO is not immediate cause for a new converter. It is cause for increased attention for the warning signs of a failing converter. If you develop problems, DGE or Chrysler won't be responsible.

Personally, I'm on my third converter. The first was recalled, the second was botched during installation by Golling CJD (unfortunately not on the cancelled dealer list), the third is running strong. I've towed a large trailer, I've played off road, I've pushed my machine up to (and a couple of times beyond) the limits of what it was designed to do. If I break it, I realize that I'm probably to blame. If I had wanted something stupidly unbreakable I would have shopped for an Oshkosh or Unimog, but I would have had to sell my house to afford it.

Goglio704 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:37 am

Forgive me if this has been asked and answered. Does the GDE tune require physically opening the ECU or is it accomplished through the existing ports?

stoutdog · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:57 am

Danoid,

Thanks for the follow up. Since we are already past the promotional, I'm going to wait to get a few other opinions, but GDE really does sound like the way to go.

I have an '06, no F37, so I guess I should be okay TC wise. Not having to replace that (unless is craps out on its own, of course) and not having to get a SEGR makes this tune WELL worth while. I didn't like the horror stories of blowing out TCs with Inmotion and various chips in the first few weeks of driving with them!

You can tell our anonymous guy ("Keith") at GDE that you convinced another LOST member to try his product

... Now I just need the $$$

CRD Joe · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:47 pm

linewarbr wrote:

butcher_block wrote:

so if i was to do a man. trans. swap then you all could help with the life of not just the motor but also the life of my trans and transfer case ?

When I spoke to Keith yesterday, I was asking him some questions about their company - i.e., "Why CRD KJ's?" and about their plans for future product development. He said they are doing final preparations for installing the turbo upgrade to test it on one of their KJ's, and that they intend to offer a full driveline-swap kit in the future with a manual trans featuring the redesigned 2.8 CRD engine currently sold in European Jeeps such as the Wrangler.

*Edited due to danoid's post*

Outstanding! Ill be first in line for that 6 speed manual swap!

linewarbr · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:57 pm

CRD Joe wrote:

linewarbr wrote:

butcher_block wrote:

so if i was to do a man. trans. swap then you all could help with the life of not just the motor but also the life of my trans and transfer case ?

When I spoke to Keith yesterday, I was asking him some questions about their company - i.e., "Why CRD KJ's?" and about their plans for future product development. He said they are doing final preparations for installing the turbo upgrade to test it on one of their KJ's, and that they intend to offer a full driveline-swap kit in the future with a manual trans featuring the redesigned 2.8 CRD engine currently sold in European Jeeps such as the Wrangler.

*Edited due to danoid's post*

Outstanding! Ill be first in line for that 6 speed manual swap!

It would be more than just a 6-speed swap, they are apparently working with the EPA to get the entire driveline of post-2006 VM Motori engine/ 6-speed tranny combo OK'ed for sale as an aftermarket kit. Apparently our little 2.8's underwent a major redesign after the 2006 run, with more HP and Lb/ft.

How bout that in a LWB Suzuki Samurai. . . :shock:

JL Rockies · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:29 pm

I'm fine with the auto, one less pedal to deal with on the trail.

CRD Joe · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:33 pm

linewarbr wrote:

CRD Joe wrote:

linewarbr wrote:

butcher_block wrote:

so if i was to do a man. trans. swap then you all could help with the life of not just the motor but also the life of my trans and transfer case ?

When I spoke to Keith yesterday, I was asking him some questions about their company - i.e., "Why CRD KJ's?" and about their plans for future product development. He said they are doing final preparations for installing the turbo upgrade to test it on one of their KJ's, and that they intend to offer a full driveline-swap kit in the future with a manual trans featuring the redesigned 2.8 CRD engine currently sold in European Jeeps such as the Wrangler.

*Edited due to danoid's post*

Outstanding! Ill be first in line for that 6 speed manual swap!

It would be more than just a 6-speed swap, they are apparently working with the EPA to get the entire driveline of post-2006 VM Motori engine/ 6-speed tranny combo OK'ed for sale as an aftermarket kit. Apparently our little 2.8's underwent a major redesign after the 2006 run, with more HP and Lb/ft.

How bout that in a LWB Suzuki Samurai. . . :shock:

Oh baby that would be great. I think Im going to sell the Samy so it would be for my KJ.

KJ 119 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:06 pm

I'd take that extra pedal anyday.Kinda boring with just two.

JL Rockies · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:01 pm

With the high altitudes out here, I am fine with boring.

CRD Joe · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:42 pm

JL Rockies wrote:

With the high altitudes out here, I am fine with boring.

To much LOST (ha) power with that darn slush box.

grywlfbg · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:52 pm

Wow, what timing. The wife is out of town next week so I was planning to send her ECU up to Inmotion. Now I have a dilemma.

While the price is steep the methodology is appealing. My CRD has had F37 done but I think they only did a reflash - I don't think they swapped the TC. Mine did have the filter recall back in the day.

One of the reasons I've been putting off the Inmotion tune is that I'm worried about stress on the stock tranny from additional torque causing a failure. My wife treats the fuel pedal like an on/off switch.

I'll give GDE a call tomorrow and see what they say. Wish I hadn't missed out on the intro pricing!

Glend · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:59 pm

I think you might find that the manual transmission KJ CRD models are detuned to produce less torque (certainly the case with the Wrangler CRDs here). The VM torque can burn out the manual clutches so they detuned the Wranglers to reduce the possibility. The current 2.8VM used in the Wrangler CRD is putting out 460nm in auto configuration but only 410nm in manuals. We have a relatively small number of 6 speed manual KJ CRDs imported compared to the auto version.

linewarbr · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:34 pm

Glend wrote:

I think you might find that the manual transmission KJ CRD models are detuned to produce less torque (certainly the case with the Wrangler CRDs here). The VM torque can burn out the manual clutches so they detuned the Wranglers to reduce the possibility. The current 2.8VM used in the Wrangler CRD is putting out 460nm in auto configuration but only 410nm in manuals. We have a relatively small number of 6 speed manual KJ CRDs imported compared to the auto version.

DUDE, THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!!!! WHY CAN'T THEY JUST SUPPLY A CLUTCH/ TC THAT CAN HANDLE THE TORQUE?!?!?!? DON'T THEY ENGINEER AND BUILD CARS, FOR &^@$' S SAKE?!!?

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system. *rant*

CRD Joe · **Posted:** Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:41 pm

linewarbr wrote:

Glend wrote:

I think you might find that the manual transmission KJ CRD models are detuned to produce less torque (certainly the case with the Wrangler CRDs here). The VM torque can burn out the manual clutches so they detuned the Wranglers to reduce the possibility. The current 2.8VM used in the Wrangler CRD is putting out 460nm in auto configuration but only 410nm in manuals. We have a relatively small number of 6 speed manual KJ CRDs imported compared to the auto version.

DUDE, THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE!!!! WHY CAN'T THEY JUST SUPPLY A CLUTCH/ TC THAT CAN HANDLE THE TORQUE?!?!?!? DON'T THEY ENGINEER AND BUILD CARS, FOR &^@$' S SAKE?!!?

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system. *rant*

Times muthafrakin 2!

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