oldnavy wrote:
Zonie wrote:
Gas Liberty sales fell through the roof after intro of CRD Liberty.
Senior Citizen Moment? Did it "go thru the roof? ... or "fall thru the floor?
Only Santa can fall thru the roof
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| Author: | Zonie [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | TV Ad for the Liberty Diesel |
Anyone else notice the new Jeep ad which include a rah-rah for the Liberty diesel, capable of 30 mpg? Strange that they're advertising something that they no longer make and is only available in very limited quantites... I wonder if this is a set up for a bait and switch or if it's a precursor to the coming diesel option in the Grand Cherokee? |
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| Author: | oldnavy [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: TV Ad for the Liberty Diesel |
Zonie wrote: Anyone else notice the new Jeep ad which include a rah-rah for the Liberty diesel, capable of 30 mpg? Strange that they're advertising something that they no longer make and is only available in very limited quantites... I wonder if this is a set up for a bait and switch or if it's a precursor to the coming diesel option in the Grand Cherokee? Liberty CRD will be back for '07, VM just ran out of engines for the Jeep to put it in simpke terms. They were suppose to also change the body style in '07, more to something like the Nitro, but it may not happen due to such an increase in sales thanks to the CRD. Gas Liberty sales fell through the roof after intro of CRD Liberty.
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| Author: | DarbyWalters [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: TV Ad for the Liberty Diesel |
oldnavy wrote: Zonie wrote: Gas Liberty sales fell through the roof after intro of CRD Liberty. Senior Citizen Moment? Did it "go thru the roof? ... or "fall thru the floor? Only Santa can fall thru the roof
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| Author: | dgeist [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: TV Ad for the Liberty Diesel |
DarbyWalters wrote: oldnavy wrote: Zonie wrote: Gas Liberty sales fell through the roof after intro of CRD Liberty. Senior Citizen Moment? Did it "go thru the roof? ... or "fall thru the floor? Only Santa can fall thru the roof Not true! Apparently you've never known anyone with water damage to their roof... who were unaware of the damage 
Seriously, though... As much as the CRD seems a superior engine option to the 3.7 for economy (and IMHO everything else), were there really enough even made to significantly impact gasser sales, or did the V6 just drop of with every other SUV in the last 6 months? Perhaps we should cross reference sales on the local prius user BB. Dan |
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| Author: | Shadowsabre [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:24 am ] |
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Yea, I was yellin at Dr. Z when it was goin on. I would sure like to have a few words with Dr. Z some day. "What about the rumors that the CRD is cancelled for 07?" would be one of the questions along with "Why does the Charger have four doors instead of two?" and "Why can't I have Hemi Dakota?". |
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| Author: | doug allen [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:29 am ] |
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It sounds like good news to diesel afficianados for the return of the liberty CRD. I seem to recall a post at some point that indicated the reason for discontinuing the CRD was because that DC and VM Motori could not meet the more stringent EPA standard that go into effect for '07. Has DC "fixed" that issue and will now offer the CRD liberty for the 07 model year? |
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| Author: | oldnavy [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:04 pm ] |
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doug allen wrote: It sounds like good news to diesel afficianados for the return of the liberty CRD. I seem to recall a post at some point that indicated the reason for discontinuing the CRD was because that DC and VM Motori could not meet the more stringent EPA standard that go into effect for '07. Has DC "fixed" that issue and will now offer the CRD liberty for the 07 model year? The only fix was particulate filters for the exhaust and the new ULSD had to be brought into the market. I just ask the GM this am at local dealer if they were changing the bodystyle of the Liberty for '07, he said no. When I asked about the CRD he said they will be ordering them at the regular time, but he was told Jeep will hold all '07 diesels till January before releasing them to buyers to make sure the ULSD is all in place and the LSD is gone from the system.
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| Author: | alljeep [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:38 pm ] |
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oldnavy wrote: doug allen wrote: It sounds like good news to diesel afficianados for the return of the liberty CRD. I seem to recall a post at some point that indicated the reason for discontinuing the CRD was because that DC and VM Motori could not meet the more stringent EPA standard that go into effect for '07. Has DC "fixed" that issue and will now offer the CRD liberty for the 07 model year? The only fix was particulate filters for the exhaust and the new UPSD had to be brought into the market. I just ask the GM this am at local dealer if they were changing the bodystyle of the Liberty for '07, he said no. When I asked about the CRD he said they will be ordering them at the regular time, but he was told Jeep will hold all '07 diesels till January before releasing them to buyers to make sure the ULSD is all in place and the LSD is gone from the system.Sweet. This means they will continue to work on improving the diesel/transmission issues and EGR issues that some have had. I wonder if they will badge them as 2008 models since most vehicle makers pushed up their "next model year" releases to nearly a year ahead of time? |
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| Author: | vtdog [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:25 pm ] |
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I think I posted this before, but in any event, my old salesman told me that the problem with the CRD (or lack thereof for '07) was due to the fact that Motori could not produce enough engines to supply the us/canada market with the required emission controls. So, based on the posts above I can surmise that another possible reason for "holding" the '07s might be to build inventory as it seems that DCX is finally going to advertise the beasts. Either way, it works well for those of us who own them now as the scarcity of new CRDs will only keep up the used values! |
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| Author: | DarbyWalters [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:39 pm ] |
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darn, I was hoping that my CRD would become a hard to find classic...lol |
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| Author: | Tom_with_a_Dream [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:26 pm ] |
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OldNavy - I think I have this right, but it never hurts to ask specific questions... (I guess they are more like statements)
- The 2007 emission requirements everyone is talking about requires everyone to sell ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel), which all '07 diesels will accept. - The existing '05 and '06 CRDs will accpet this ULSD fuel with no modifications and with no performance and/or maintenance issues. - I recall you all talking about the lubricative properties being removed along with the sulfur so fuel suppliers are required to re-lubricate the ULSD. Is this all correct? If not, please educate us. I know many of us value you knowledge and experience. And what is the status of the "Old Navy CCV filter"?[/list] |
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| Author: | DarbyWalters [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:59 pm ] |
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The lubrication will be back in ... the process of removing sulfur (sulfur itself is not a lubricant) lessens the lubricant found normally in diesel. The biggest advantage will be the reduction in soot formation. |
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| Author: | vtdog [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:33 pm ] |
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The biggest advantage to ULSD will be that we wont have to hear the whining about the EGR problem anymore (hopefully!) |
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| Author: | grywlfbg [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:17 pm ] |
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Yep. We moved to ULSD here on July 1st. Coincidentally I killed my first EGR last week at 13K miles. So as of last week I'm running ULSD on a brand new EGR. So I'll keep everyone updated. 
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| Author: | jeepusa [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:51 pm ] |
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I have to agree with oldnavy DC is actively pursuing Diesel technology I'm sure that we will continue to see the Diesel option on more and more varieties of vehicles that DC makes including Jeep. I ran across an announcement of a (70 mpg Diesel combined city/highway and 84 MPG highway) concept car that DC had introduced with mileage rates far beyond even the most efficient Hybrid produced today you couldn’t keep a large company like DC away from producing all there vehicles with Diesel engines. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8129979/ |
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| Author: | oldnavy [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:50 pm ] |
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Tom_with_a_Dream wrote: OldNavy - All correct except as DW said the sulfur is not the lubricant in diesel fuel, the main lubricant is actually the peraffin in the diesel and the process that the fuel goes through to make the ULSD also remove a lot of fuels natural lubrication so the refineries add a lubricant back into the fuel after refining.
I think I have this right, but it never hurts to ask specific questions... (I guess they are more like statements)
- The 2007 emission requirements everyone is talking about requires everyone to sell ULSD (Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel), which all '07 diesels will accept. - The existing '05 and '06 CRDs will accpet this ULSD fuel with no modifications and with no performance and/or maintenance issues. - I recall you all talking about the lubricative properties being removed along with the sulfur so fuel suppliers are required to re-lubricate the ULSD. Is this all correct? If not, please educate us. I know many of us value you knowledge and experience. And what is the status of the "Old Navy CCV filter"?[/list] I have been trying to tell some of the people here on several threads that the reason that Jeep stopped production was lack of engines from VM is all. Also the mfg's are holding the release of the '07 models till all the LSD has been cleared out of all the stations. This also gives the mfg's time to build engines, the public to soak up the adds and then run into dealers and pay top dollar for the diesels after the first of the year. VW is sitting on it '06 V10 TDI SUV till the fuel change out to be able to play on the market fears and demands that will increase sales. Would you believe you can go to VW dealer now and order either an '06 or and '07 VW Tourage V10 TDI. |
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| Author: | allscan [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:20 pm ] |
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Somewhere on the askdrz.com site, there is mention of a Dodge Durango with a Diesel/Electric hybrid for 2008. I'd be interested to see that. |
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| Author: | groucho [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:32 pm ] |
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Someone needs to tell DC Corporate that the Liberty diesel is still a go for 07 cause they are making folk think it is a dead project. I can't find any press releases to counter the release from June that say it is dead. Reason stated: cost too much to meet EPA regs for 07. It is still an export item as will be the Wrangler for 07. Did the guy with the squirrel under his nose say they are bring them back? http://www.caranddriver.com/dailyautoinsider/11209/jeep-liberty-diesel-discontinued.html http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060605/AUTO01/606050348/1148 |
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| Author: | Ranger1 [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:48 pm ] |
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Someone needs to let VM Motori know that DC ran out of engines too, because they increased production from 2004 of 69,000 engines to 97,000 engines in 2005. They did this by adding a 4th engine line. Thats 28,000 additional engines available in 2005, 17,000 over and above what DC used in the US spec CRD. From their website: http://www.vmmotori.it/en/03/00/dettaglio.jsp?id=75 Quote: In 2005, VM Motori added a
fourth assembly line, which enabled the company to increase diesel engine production from 69 000 in 2004 to 97 000 last year. That expansion primarily was driven by high demand for the company’s R 428 2.8 L engine, which is used in a range of Daimler- Chrysler vehicles. |
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| Author: | spoonplugger1 [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:03 pm ] |
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You'd think with the decrease in sulphur that oil change intervals could also be extended. |
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