Beta Testers

bhysjulien · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:42 am

FYI, Edge Products is looking for beta testers for the CRD.

jinstall · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:51 am

Emailed them>

Jeger · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:01 am

There is also a form you can fill out to be a beta tester. I think the link was at the top of the page. Would be nice to have the turbo timer and tranny control they have for other diesels. Its good to see them showing an interest.

gsbrockman · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:20 am

jinstall wrote:

Emailed them>

X2 !

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:41 am

I emailed them back on the !st of July...still no response

0311_DoC · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:13 pm

I emailed them like 3 months ago and no reply :evil:

Jeger · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:35 pm

They emailed me back. Here is what they have to say

Hi Jacob,
Thanks for you interest in our Liberty CRD Performance module. After a
few months of testing a finalized prototype we feel that it is time to
Beta test our CRD module.

The CRD is a similiar module to our EZ which we produce for the Ford,
GM, and Dodge diesels. It controls fuel pressure, and contains three
power levels which are selectable via a toggle switch that mounts in the
cab. The first switch position is stock, and at our facility which
resides at 4500ft elevation we see 140hp measured at the rear wheels,
and 250 ft-lbs of torque.

Level one will bump the power to 150 whp, and 267 ft-lbs of torque

Level two makes 162 whp, and 281 ft-lbs or torque.

Keep in mind all of these measurments are at the rear wheels. You can
certainly feel a big difference in power after installing the module.

Our preliminary tests show a fuel economy increase of roughly 15% across
the board. This will more than likely vary depending on where you are
located, and how you drive.

As a reward for running the unit and providing us with feedback we will
be offering the unit to beta testers at a special price of $175. Retail
on the module will be between $450 and $500. All we ask is that you
touch base with us once weekly, and fill out a questionare to help us
determine how well the unit is working under different circumstances.

If you are interested, please email me with your contact information
(i.e. phone #, shippin address, first and last name, and email address)
and your vehicle information (i.e. year mileage trans type etc.)

Thanks again for the interest, I look forward to hearing from you soon,
Rob

So what do you think? I dont like the increased fuel pressure bit in there. Just wonder if thats really what it does?

Jeger · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:38 pm

Here is a tidbit from their site about the EZ module for Dodge

The Cummins motor is one of the most powerful motors ever put in a pickup truck. The Edge EZ module unleashes the potential of this monster by carefully monitoring RPM, turbo boost pressure and fueling parameters and adjusting fueling to maximize power, torque and driveability.

The Edge EZ module allows maximum fueling at full turbo boost and provides an additional 65 rear wheel horsepower and an additional 150 foot pounds of torque. Simply plug the Power Edge EZ connectors into the ECM Data Link connection and MAP sensor. The Edge EZ is completely weatherproof and mounts under the hood. For 2004.5 and later trucks, the EZ has three levels of adjustability ranging from 25 to 65 additional horsepower.

The EZ can also be stacked with other upgrades to deliver even more power. There is not an upgrade on the market today that can deliver as much power and install so simply.

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jinstall · **Posted:** Tue Jul 18, 2006 5:44 am

They never replied to me.

ccattie · **Posted:** Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:02 am

Is their approach the right way? Is the CRD module doing more than just bumping pressure?
-c

kingofl337 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:16 pm

Unfortunatly it seems everyone is doing the fuel pressure thing.
I don't think we are going to get a programmer.

Jeger · **Posted:** Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:44 pm

I did ask if the fuel pressure was the only thing changed and if so how high they raised it. Got a response that did not state if it was the only thing they changed or not, and a note on how the rail pressure is proprietary information.

Pablo · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1201

Proprietary information... yeah. When your out your fuel injectors see how good that makes you feel. If you decide to buy this for $175 dollars- I recommend you price the install of the Bosch CRD injection system first, cause that is probably what you will be spending 50,000-100,000 miles down the road.

I trust Banks alot more than the rest of these guys--Dr. Performance, Edge, etc. Some of these guys seem like Rednecks out in the garage who want to sell you something and who don't care about your engine's longevity.

Banks did the Liberator CRD-- so I know that they have some ideas and maybe a prototype. After reading up them, and seeing the tech articles on their site-- I have confidence in their abilities. They have a good track record. When they talk about the new CRD motors-- they warn explicitly about raising fuel pressure and state that pulse modulation is a better way to go.

Anyway, after the warranty expires-- if they have a chip I may go with them. Otherwise, I will get the Digi Chip from Europe. It is certified TUV in Germany-- I don't think this product would meet that certification-- probably have to disclose to much proprietary information.

jinstall · **Posted:** Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:20 am

If it does not have TuV approved on it I wouldn't touch it.

Jeger · **Posted:** Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:44 pm

Yeah as soon as I realized it increase fuel pressure I got disappointed. I'm not to anxious to find out how much new injectors are.

Endurance · **Posted:** Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:22 pm

Well, I am running the SP module and I see it that way: 90% of the time I drive my CRD in Fuel Economy mode which shouldnt do much harm to the engine at all, since it doesnt give you more power. The other 10% of the time I bump the power up 2/3 of what is available, at the most! Lets say all these precautions dont make a difference in the life span of my injectors, well, then I still have warranty and I am gonna trade it in after 70k miles anyway. I can see why its not good for the engine if you are running a performance module that bumps up the power all the way all the time, but I dont think its too big of a deal if you are using something like the SP module, which allows you to adjust power and baseline fuel pressure while driving.

Daniel

Jeger · **Posted:** Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:34 pm

Unfortunatly our fuel pressure specifications are proprietary, and I'm
not allowed to disclose them, however I can tell you that we don't come
close to exceeding the maximum recommended rail pressure.
The fuel economy gains we have seen have been in level 1 and 2.
Stock is just as the vehicle would be without the module. There are no
necessary modifications to run the module, simply plug it in and go.

That is the last mail I got from them. It seems that all it does is adjust fuel pressure. The stock setting does not even give any gains in mileage you supposedly only see fuel mileage gains at the bumped up levels. The only reason that I myself would install a programmer is for increased mileage, and only if there is no chance of damage. I plan on keeping my CRD untill well after the warranty is out. So this one is not for me.

Pablo · **Joined:** Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:06 pm **Posts:** 1201

I heard a rumor a while back that the computer knows the boost from the turbo, and lots of other data (maybe EGT?) Can one of these darned chips read that and provide a lead to a guage or display so we know what is going on without running wires and drilling new holes. The ability to store a history of this stuff and dump it to usb device would be nice too.

It seems a shame to have to add more plumbing (for trans, for EGT, for turbo, etc) if the computer already knows what we want.... one of these chips just needs to tell us. I would also like to know what the rail pressure is stock. The kind of data you could get real time would be very usefull. Not to mention if you could use that data to tweak the settings even more (every vehicle is different).

Heck, if the chip did not do anything but provide me data for displays/guages I would buy it.

retmil46 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:32 am

Endurance wrote:

Well, I am running the SP module and I see it that way: 90% of the time I drive my CRD in Fuel Economy mode which shouldnt do much harm to the engine at all, since it doesnt give you more power. The other 10% of the time I bump the power up 2/3 of what is available, at the most! Lets say all these precautions dont make a difference in the life span of my injectors, well, then I still have warranty and I am gonna trade it in after 70k miles anyway. I can see why its not good for the engine if you are running a performance module that bumps up the power all the way all the time, but I dont think its too big of a deal if you are using something like the SP module, which allows you to adjust power and baseline fuel pressure while driving.

Daniel

Out of curiosity, are you seeing any increase in fuel mileage running in FE mode with the SP? Like Jeger, my main reason for getting one would be to bump up MPG. A 2 MPG increase would pay back a good chunk of the module's price inside of a year, $150 minimum in my case.

jinstall · **Posted:** Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:25 pm

I got the same exact email reply today. So I asked them to answer my specific questions.

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