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My 12000 mile service was $81 dollars if I remember right.

Thank for the advice. I'm at 800 and somthing miles now and I think I will take it in for an oil change at 1500. The continue to do them at 6500. I am a change oil every 3000mi kind of guy but I think with Synthetic oil it can get away with 6500.

I will check my oil level in the morning. Don't these cars have a low level light also? My Mercedes 240D goes threw a quart every 500 miles but it has 200,000 miles on it and it's almost 23 years old. I expect a new car to make it between oil changes.

Old Navy, the oil's coming out of the front main on the 240d. I just havent got around to replacing it.

As for the changing the oil. Is there any links to studys with data about changing the oil. 6000 just seems like such a long time to me while the engine is breaking in.

Wow no of you have even said anything about the low ash content oil. I beleive I even saw it in the owners manual. The dealer was very ademate(sp) about this.

Hmm. Mabye I will do my own oil Changes and take it to the dealer for everything else.

What about Mobile 1 0W-40 or Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W40?

One last question, I'm sure Rotella or Mobile 1 would be great oil and I would trust them with my CRD. Both meet API SL and CF but nither say anything about meeting Daimler-Chrysler Material Standard MS-10725. I just don't want to get bitten for this oil and having Jeep not warranty anything because of it. what do you guys think?

The outdated CF oil rating in the manual was the first hint DC engineers don't have a clue. The oil standards are higher for a diesel with an EGR system and closed crancase vent. Look for a CI-4 or CI-4+ (+ for soot control) rated oil which is brewed for this purpose . Later this year the bar will be raised again, CJ-4 will be the new standard. Currently both Mobile 1 and Shell Rotella 5W40 synthetics meet the higher CI-4 or CI-4+ standard. If you choose to run the CF rated 0W40, would be wise to stick the shorter change interval (6,250 miles)

Author:	Bovie [ Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:45 am ]
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I saw that the owners manual said you should only use Synthetic 0W40 but, 5W40 would be acceptable. Do you know what brand of oil the dealerships use? Do you guys wait until 12,000 or do you do the 6,500mi services? I saw saw another post saying the 12000mi service was over $400. How much the schedule b 6500mi service cost? Same? I guess after driving Mercedes Diesels (Which cost me almost nothing to maintain) the last few years I am going to have a hard time spending $400+ every 3 months for a service.

Author:	Cowcatcher [ Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:45 am ]
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I just got off the telephone with a youg lady helping her get unlost on a return trip from Bellingham or I would be sound asleep! Small world. Others may give a different answer but I think the Mopar oil is actually Mobile 1. I bought my CRD late last year and got 24K-24 month service plan as an added incentive so I am changing oil every 6K at the dealer. I think a lot of folks here are changing oil the first time at about 1500 miles then at 5K or 6K. I will likely stick with 6K. I will either stick with the Mobile 1, Shell Rotella, or Amsoil and after the service plan is over do it myself. They charge an awful lot for what they do if they are charging $400. Watch your oil level as some have seen rapid oil use. Mine dropped a quart on the first change between 4K and 5K, and used none on the next 6 K. Some are speculating that it is related to wet and/or dirty airfilters. Since you live in a wetter area it might be good to watch it closely. I am pretty new here so it seems funny welcoming you but glad you have joined us.

Author:	Bovie [ Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:15 am ]
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Thank for the advice. I'm at 800 and somthing miles now and I think I will take it in for an oil change at 1500. The continue to do them at 6500. I am a change oil every 3000mi kind of guy but I think with Synthetic oil it can get away with 6500. I will check my oil level in the morning. Don't these cars have a low level light also? My Mercedes 240D goes threw a quart every 500 miles but it has 200,000 miles on it and it's almost 23 years old. I expect a new car to make it between oil changes.

Author:	Cowcatcher [ Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:08 am ]
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If they have a low level light mine did not go on at 1 QT low. Again, the problem has not returned for me.

Author:	spoonplugger1 [ Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:15 am ]
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My 12000 mile service was $81 dollars if I remember right.

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Author:	Zonie [ Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:55 am ]
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Welcome! I changed my oil on the recommendation of many in this forum to Shell Rotella 5w40 (WalMart, blue bottle) @ 800mi. No oil loss at all and humming right along at 4500 mi. I plan to do 6500 mi. changes.

Author:	Bovie [ Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:43 pm ]
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I already have 800mi on mine and I only got it last thurday. I think I will take it in for just an oil change after 1500 the do the 6500mi from then on. I do all my own work on my 83 Mercedes Diesel but it's an old car. I think I want to take it to the dealer at least for the first couple of years.

Author:	RFCRD [ Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:57 pm ]
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spoonplugger1 wrote: My 12000 mile service was $81 dollars if I remember right. This sounds like the price of a simple engine oil change on the CRD. Did they change your differentials & t-case fluids for $81? That would be a deal!

Author:	jinstall [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:23 am ]
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Dealer here says you MUST use low ash oil, they have BP and MB. BP is 10 euros a liter and MB is 25 euors a liter. I went with the BP.

Author:	naturist [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:20 pm ]
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change the oil at 1500 if I were you, Bovie. It is unnecessary, will only cost you money, and there is some anecdotal evidence that on some diesel engines, aka the VW TDIs, is actually detrimental to the break-in and long-term longevity of the engine. When I bought mine, I was told to change the oil at 6,500, but in no case at less than 5,000 miles.

Author:	oldnavy [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:54 pm ]
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Bovie wrote: Thank for the advice. I'm at 800 and somthing miles now and I think I will take it in for an oil change at 1500. The continue to do them at 6500. I am a change oil every 3000mi kind of guy but I think with Synthetic oil it can get away with 6500. I will check my oil level in the morning. Don't these cars have a low level light also? My Mercedes 240D goes threw a quart every 500 miles but it has 200,000 miles on it and it's almost 23 years old. I expect a new car to make it between oil changes. God!!! A quart every 500 miles!!!! Man my 240D when I sold her with 150,000 miles would not use but maybe a half cup worth in a 5000 mile oil change, and that was only through the CCV and not rings or seals.

Author:	Bovie [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:54 pm ]
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Old Navy, the oil's coming out of the front main on the 240d. I just havent got around to replacing it. As for the changing the oil. Is there any links to studys with data about changing the oil. 6000 just seems like such a long time to me while the engine is breaking in.

Author:	RFCRD [ Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:18 pm ]
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Bovie wrote: Old Navy, the oil's coming out of the front main on the 240d. I just havent got around to replacing it. As for the changing the oil. Is there any links to studys with data about changing the oil. 6000 just seems like such a long time to me while the engine is breaking in. The factory fill (0W40) doesn't take soot very well. On mine, by 5.5K you could feel the soot (gritty & caking) between the fingers and thus dropped it early. Went with Rotella 5W40 which was much better even to almost 7.5K miles of service when changed the second time.

Author:	Bovie [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:27 am ]
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Hmm. Mabye I will do my own oil Changes and take it to the dealer for everything else. What about Mobile 1 0W-40 or Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W40? One last question, I'm sure Rotella or Mobile 1 would be great oil and I would trust them with my CRD. Both meet API SL and CF but nither say anything about meeting Daimler-Chrysler Material Standard MS-10725. I just don't want to get bitten for this oil and having Jeep not warranty anything because of it. what do you guys think?

Author:	oldnavy [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:38 am ]
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RFCRD wrote: The outdated CF oil rating in the manual was the first hint DC engineers don't have a clue. The oil standards are higher for a diesel with an EGR system and closed crancase vent. Look for a CI-4 or CI-4+ (+ for soot control) rated oil which is brewed for this purpose . Later this year the bar will be raised again, CJ-4 will be the new standard. Currently both Mobile 1 and Shell Rotella 5W40 synthetics meet the higher CI-4 or CI-4+ standard. If you choose to run the CF rated 0W40, would be wise to stick the shorter change interval (6,250 miles) You might check as I did with Mobil, but seems the only real difference is the low ash because of the particulate filters. If you look at a old bottle of Mobil 1 0w-40 and new one the oil is now listed with different ACEA from original ACEA A3, B3/B4 rating, when I asked the man said it was a printing mistake and website listing was correct. Who know's. This is the latest "low ash" oils for current Euro particulate trap equipped diesels and will be required for '07 US models with diesel, such as GC, Sprinter and any other diesel sold such as CRD Liberty with particulate traps. MB sheet 229.31 approved oils; LA "low ash" Oils: Mercedes pioneered this new spec for passenger cars with diesel engines with EURO 4 or Bluetec exhaust particle filters, e.g. W211 E200 CDI, E220 CDI. The spec was introduced 7/2003. They are called LA "low ash" or "low SAPS" oils, low on sulfated ash, phosphorus and sulphur to limit exhaust particle filter pollution. In 2004 the ACEA introduced the new C3 spec (mid SAPS, normal viscosity) based on it. Change intervals extend to 15,000 km/6500mi. 30 Aral Tronic 229.31 5W-30 BP Visco 5000 MB 5W-30 Castrol FORMULA SLX Turbo Diesel 0W-30 Castrol TXT Softec MB 5W-30 Fuchs Titan GT 1 5W-30 Liqui Moly TopTec 7000 LA Low SPAsh Motorenöl 5W-30 (DaimlerChrysler) This is probably currently sold at Chrysler dealers in Europe. Midland Synqron 5W-30 Mobil SHC Formula LA 5W-30 Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 (from 3/2005) Pento High Performance 5W-30 LA Shell Helix Diesel Ultra AE 5W-30 Shell Helix Ultra AE 5W-30 Wintershall ViVA 1 topsynth alpha LA 5W-30 40 Aral SuperTronic 0W-40 LOW SAPS (ACEA C3) Castrol GTD Magnatec 5W-40 Fuchs Titan GT 1 10W-40 Liqui Moly TOP TEC 4100 5W-40 Midland Synqron 5W-40 Motor Gold Mid SAPS 5W-40 Motul SAE 5W-40 Vollsynthetisch Pento High Performance 5W-40 LA Oils recomended for use in engine like our CRD with standard drain periords of up to 6,500 miles: MB sheet 229.1 approved oils: for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines, used to be minimum spec for latest (98+) engines, high detergent, dispersant spec suitable for normal drain intervals. Based on ACEA A3, B3. Note 229.1 oils are not recommended for MB's latest (2002+) 4 valve gas M271, M275, M285 and diesel OM646, OM647, OM648 engines. Aral Super Elastic 0W-40 Unal Aral Extra Turboral 0W-40 Unal Aral BasicTronic 10W-40 Aral SuperTronic 0W-40 Aral HighTronic 5W-40 Aviasynth 5W-40 Avia Turbo CFE 10W-40 BP Visco 5000 Castrol GTD Magnatec 10W-40 Castrol GTX5 Magnatec 10W-40 Castrol GTX3 15W-40, 15W-50, 20W-50, 10W-40 Castrol GTX2 15W-50 Castrol GTX 15W-50 Castrol GXL 10W-40 ACEA A3/B3 Castrol Formula RS 0W-40 Castrol GTX3 Professional 15W-40 (Castrol's best mineral oil) Castrol GTD 505 01 TOPUP 5W-30 Chevron Supreme SAE 5W-40 Chevron Supreme Semi-Synthetic SAE 10W-40 Elf Excellium 0W-40 Elf Synthese Esso Ultra Esso Uniflo Fuchs Titan Supersyn SL 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40 Fuchs Titan UNIC MC 10W-40 Fuchs Titan UNIC Plus MC 10W-40 Havoline Synthetic 5W-40 Havoline Formula3 X1 Extra 10W-40 Havoline Formula3 X1 Diesel Extra 10W-40 Hellas Super Synto 0W-40 Hellas Hermes Plus 15W-50 Kendall Motor Oil Elite 0W-40 Liqui Moly Diesel Synthoil 5W-40 Liqui Moly High Tech 5W-40 Liqui Moly HC7 5W-40 Mobil 1 with SuperSyn 15W-50 Mobil 1 TriSynthetic 5W-50, 15W-50, 0W-40, 5W-40 (100% synthetic) Mobil Super M 15W-40 (mineral) Mobil Super S 5W-40 and 10W-40 (mineral w/ synth additives) Motul 6100 Synergie 10W-40 Motul 4100 Turbolight 10W-40 Pentosin Pentosynth TS 10W-40 Pentosin Pentosynth 5W-40 Pentosin Pentoturbo 15W-40 Pentosin Diesel 10W-40 P.O. Zirve P.O. Zirve Ekstra Pennzoil Synthetic European Formulation 5W-40 Performanx Full Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-40 Schaeffer Micron Moly 5W-30 Schaeffer Micron Moly 10W-40 Schaeffer Supreme 7000 10W-30 76 Pure Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-40 Shell Helix Ultra 5W-30 Shell Helix Plus 5W-40 Shell Super Motor Oil 10W-40 Sunoco Forza SAE 15W-40 Ultra Turbo Semi-Synthetic Motor Oil 0W-40 Valvoline All Fleet Extra 15W-40, 20W-50, 10W-40 Valvoline SynPower Veedol SUPER X-TRON 10W-40 Veedol SUPER X 15W-40 Below is the oil currently used or recommend for diesels like ours. The thing about this is these oils were designed with the idea that cars would be using 50 PPM or less diesel as in Europe. MB sheet 229.3 approved oils: for passenger cars with gas and diesel engines with extended drain interval indicator FSS up to 20,000 km, or 40,000 km - 25,000 mi, current minimum spec for 1998+ MB engines, min. 1.0% fuel saving compared to 229.1, based on ACEA A3 B4. For gas engine of the M100 series, gas engines of the M200 series and diesel engines of the OM600 series (not models with Euro 4 diesel particle filters). AGIP EXTRA HTS 5W-40 AGIP Synthetic PC 0W-40 AGIP Eurosport 0W-40 Amsoil 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil Amsoil 10W-30 Synthetic Amsoil Series 3000 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel Aral HighTronic 5W-40 Aral SuperSynth 0W-40 Aral Super Tronic 0W-40 Aviasynth 0W-40 Castrol DCO TOPUP SAE 0W-30 Castrol Formula RS Road and Track 5W-40 Castrol GTX7 DYNATEC 5W-40 Castrol Formula SLX 0W-30 Castrol TXT SOFTEC PLUS 5W-30 CIFAB Synthoil Hydrocrack HC7 5W-40 Elf Excellium LDX SAE 5W-40 Esso Ultron 0W-30 (fuel economy) Esso Ultron 5W-40 Fuchs Silkolene Pro S 5W-40 - 100% Synthetic Oil For All Race Engines Fuchs Silkolene Pro S 10W-50 - 100% Synthetic Oil For All Race Engines Fuchs Titan SuperSyn SL 0W-30 Havoline Synthetic DS 0W-30 Kendall GT-1 Full Synthetic 5W-40 Liqui Moly Diesel Synthoil 5W-40 Liqui Moly High Tech 5W-40 Liqui Moly HC7 5W-40 LUKOIL SYNTEETIK 5W-40 Mobil 1 SuperSyn European Car Formula 0W-40 (same as we are now using, they changed the name is all.) Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-40 Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-50 Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel 0W-40 Mobil Synt S 5W-40 Mobil Synt S Turbo Diesel 5W-40 Mobil Syst S 5W-40 Motul 8100 E-Tech 0W-40 Motul 8100 X-cess 5W-40 Pennzoil Synthetic European Formulation 5W-40 Pentosin Pentospeed 0W-30 VS Quaker State Full Synthetic European Formulation 5W-40 Schaeffer Micron Moly 5W-30, 10W-40 Schaeffer Supreme 7000 5W-30, 10W-30, 20W-50 76 Pure Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-40 Shell Helix Plus S 5W-40 (Mercedes-Benz) Shell Helix Ultra 5W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40 Sunoco Synturo Gold 5W-40 (introduced January 2002) Total FINA First 5W-40 Total Quartz 9000 5W-40 Valvoline DuraBlend MXL 5W-40 Valvoline SynPower MXL 0W-30 Valvoline SynPower 5W-30, 0W-40, 5W-40 Veedol POWERTRON 5W-30 Veedol SYNTRON 0W-30 Now the really new stuff. MB sheet 229.51 approved oils; low ash long life Mercedes pioneered this new spec for passenger cars with diesel engines with EURO 4 or Bluetec exhaust particle filters and longer service life than the 229.31 oils. The spec was introduced in 2005. Change intervals increased to 20,000 kilometers. Based on ACEA A3 B4 and C3. Amsoil European Car Formula 5W-40 Aral SuperTronic 229.51 0W-40 LOW SAPS Castrol Longtec Turbodiesel 0W-30 (229.51) Fuchs TITAN GT1 229.51 SAE 5W-30 (first fill oil in OM 642) Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 (to become available in the USA on 5/15/06) Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 Emission System Protection (Europe, from 12/05) Shell Helix Ultra AX 5W-30 Mercedes 229.51 Valvoline SynPower MST 5W-30 229.51 (added 6/1/2006) Any wonder about the confussion with what oils to use is now compounded.

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Author:	jinstall [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:37 am ]
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Wow no of you have even said anything about the low ash content oil. I beleive I even saw it in the owners manual. The dealer was very ademate(sp) about this.

Author:	Bovie [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:51 am ]
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Some people say wait until 6500 for the 1st oil change or not untill 3500 or change it at 1500. And to make matters worse there seems to be different owners manuals for the CRD that say different things about the oil. I am going insane.

Author:	Ripster [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:43 am ]
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Hey I have always ran my own program, I changed mine out at 300 miles, always have. I run my own plan of synthetic, engines have always broken in just fine. I take into account what they recommend, do an oil analysis and do my own thing. Don't worry about it. Just get a good Syn 5-40 with the proper specs in it and drive it.

Author:	oldnavy [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:02 am ]
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jinstall wrote: Wow no of you have even said anything about the low ash content oil. I beleive I even saw it in the owners manual. The dealer was very ademate(sp) about this. Low ash is required for particulate filter cars and entended oil drains for gassers. The 0w-40 would a good oil if we were running ULSD like they do in Europe, so after the first of the year the 0w-40 should do well in the short 6500 mile oil changes, but for the 12,500 mile change I think the 5w-40 Mobil 1 would be much better because of the soot carrying ability and ability to keep engine clean. I may switch back to Mobil 1 0w-40 next spring, for this reason.

Author:	RFCRD [ Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:45 am ]
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Bovie wrote: Hmm. Mabye I will do my own oil Changes and take it to the dealer for everything else. What about Mobile 1 0W-40 or Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W40? One last question, I'm sure Rotella or Mobile 1 would be great oil and I would trust them with my CRD. Both meet API SL and CF but nither say anything about meeting Daimler-Chrysler Material Standard MS-10725. I just don't want to get bitten for this oil and having Jeep not warranty anything because of it. what do you guys think? The outdated CF oil rating in the manual was the first hint DC engineers don't have a clue. The oil standards are higher for a diesel with an EGR system and closed crancase vent. Look for a CI-4 or CI-4+ (+ for soot control) rated oil which is brewed for this purpose . Later this year the bar will be raised again, CJ-4 will be the new standard. Currently both Mobile 1 and Shell Rotella 5W40 synthetics meet the higher CI-4 or CI-4+ standard. If you choose to run the CF rated 0W40, would be wise to stick the shorter change interval (6,250 miles)