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Hell, I hate GM with a passion. However, if GM makes a mid-full size SUV with a Duramax Diesel and Allison Trannie I would buy one in a heartbeat!!!

I too hope that doesn't happen. I would love to have a Trailblazer w/ a V8 diesel. The CRD is awesome but w/ the loads I tow I could use just a little more oompf (and I can't afford a diesel VW Touareg :lol:

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But I have to chime and say one thing about GM - I just bought a 2006 Corvette and the thing is amazing. Sure, it's not as luxurious inside as a Porsche or Ferrari, but it's 2/3 the price of a 911, half the price of a low-end Ferrari, and outperforms them both.

GM does have a premium brand that has fiercely loyal customers. I agree they just need to copy that thought to the rest of the company.

One thing I don't understand is why they stopped offering the Diesel option in the Suburban. I know one person right now who would be standing in line for s Diesel Suburban with the Duramax/Allison combo. Not me, but my father-in-law as he has to tow a trailer. Right now it is taking it hard since he has a 98 Suburban with the 454 (7.4L) gasser engine. Let's just put it this way...his best mpg to date is 12mpg...and it has a 42 gallon tank.

no-blue-screen wrote:

Check this out...

http://www.duramaxsuburban.com/

Hopefully the Diesels won't be built by cost-cutting, stingy bean-counting, empty-promise GM.
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Watch closely ... everything GM claims in this initial announcement will be watered down in an attempt to penny-pinch and half-@$#% their technology while they over-embellish and exaggerate it in the marketing collateral that promote it. That's the GM way and the reason they are in their current state of affairs. Delusional.

richardkf wrote:

Wow, so when did DC give them permission to make the GM way the same as the DC way?

offroadsubaru wrote:

no-blue-screen wrote:

Check this out...

http://www.duramaxsuburban.com/

The reason that GM did not put the Duramax in the Suburban is that the Allison transmission will not fit in the tunnel of the GMT800 frame. The new GMT900 supposedly has the room for it but GM also has their own new 6 speed auto the could take the torque of a small diesel. Also the New GMT900 has 2 battery trays under the hood, looks like it was planned for a diesel.

Author:	Taz [ Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:38 am ]
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GM announced it will put a diesel in the 2009 Chevy Silverado Light Duty Pickup. The new engine will fit anything that has the 5.3L V8 in it now. That means all of their full size pickups, full size SUV's, the mid-size Suv's, and the full size cars. This could be great news for Diesels in this country, DC and Ford will have to offer the same if the demand is there. This could be just the news that DC needs to proliferate the Diesel to other Jeep models, Like the Wrangler 4-door, especially if GM puts their engine in the Hummer. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar ... 50353/1148

Author:	TDI4BY [ Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:52 am ]
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Author:	alljeep [ Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:56 am ]
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GM plans diesel engine for 2009 V-8 turbo for pickups touted as 25% more fuel efficient than gas version. Brett Clanton / The Detroit News MILFORD -- General Motors Corp. one-upped rivals Thursday by revealing plans to offer a fuel-efficient diesel engine for its full-size pickups within three years, a move that competitors in the cutthroat pickup market may be forced to match if gas prices continue to rise. GM said its new V-8 turbo-diesel will be 25 percent more fuel-efficient than a comparable gasoline engine and hinted the motor could also wind up in a range of vehicles besides pickups. But the engine won't be on the market until after 2009, GM said. During a media briefing Thursday at GM's Milford Proving Grounds, company officials stressed the importance of diesel engines as part of a broad strategy to address growing consumer anxiety over high fuel prices. But they stopped short of saying how big a role diesel will play for GM in North America, where demand for diesels remains very small in non-commercial vehicles such as cars and SUVs. "At this point, we're not talking about anything but trucks," said Charles Freese, GM's executive director of diesel engineering. GM's announcement underscores the pressure automakers are under to develop more fuel-efficient cars and trucks as gas prices hover around $3 a gallon, and it could give a boost to diesel engines as an alternative to gas motors. More than half of European drivers opt for diesel engines, but many Americans think diesels are still as loud and dirty as those they remember from the 1970s and 1980s. Today, sales of diesel engines in mainstream car and truck models represent less than 1 percent of the 17 million vehicles sold in the United States each year. But that could change if gas prices continue to soar and automakers keep making advances in diesel engines, said Casey Selecman, a powertrain analyst at CSM Worldwide in Northville. The firm predicts diesel sales could rise to 5 percent or more of the market by 2010 if gas prices remain at current levels. GM said the new V-8 is expected to be best in its class for power and towing and will exceed stricter federal regulations on diesel emissions that take effect in 2010. GM leapfrogged new diesel standards that kick in next year, and sought to comply with guidelines that will allow it to be sold in all 50 states. Today, California and some New England states have adopted diesel emissions laws that are more stringent than the federal government's and bar diesels from being sold that do not comply. Other automakers are also working to have cleaner diesels for non-commercial or "light-duty" pickups on the market by 2009 or 2010, Selecman said. But GM is the first to release details of a specific engine under development. Ford Motor Co., which produces the best-selling F-Series pickup, may not be far behind. "Our aim is to maintain leadership in the truck market," said Ford spokesman Nick Twork, who would not comment on future product plans. DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group has been a champion of diesel technology, even as gasoline-electric hybrids gained popularity. The Auburn Hills automaker dropped a diesel in its Jeep Liberty SUV last year and has plans to release a diesel powered Jeep Grand Cherokee for the 2007 model year. But the company has not announced plans for a diesel in its mainstream Ram pickups. In addition to pickups, GM said the new diesel is compact enough to fit in vehicles that now carry its legendary "small-block" V-8. That list includes the Cadillac CTS-V, Chevrolet Impala and Pontiac Grand Prix sedans. "We can build them," said Tom Stephens, group vice president of GM Powertrain. "It doesn't mean people are going to buy them." Also Thursday, GM shared details of an updated diesel engine for its heavy-duty pickups that complies with the stricter federal emissions laws taking effect next year. The 2007 6.6-liter Duramax diesel will be available early next year and boasts a 90 percent reduction in emissions of black, smoky particulate matter and a 50 percent cut in smog-forming NOx. The announcement comes just days after Ford said it will have a new clean diesel for its 2008 F-Series Super-Duty pickup line. You can reach Brett Clanton at (313) 222-2612 or bclanton@detnews.com.

Author:	Jeger [ Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:00 am ]
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What size is this thing going to be, did i miss that part? They will have some service, at least GM has some diesel trucks, and they have made plenty of diesel mistakes in the past that they could learn from.

Author:	TDI4BY [ Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:19 am ]
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Diesel GM to Introduce New Light-Duty T2B5 Diesel for North America After 2009 August 24, 2006 General Motors will introduce a new V-8 turbodiesel that improves engine fuel efficiency by 25% for North American light duty trucks after 2009. Environmental benefits of the new engine include a 13% reduction in CO2 versus gasoline engines, and at least a 90% reduction in particulates and NOx compared to diesel vehicles today. This will be GM’s first engine to use a NOx aftertreatment system along with a diesel particulate filter to help achieve the Tier 2 Bin 5 (T2B5) and LEV 2 emissions standards. Technical highlights of the engine include aluminum cylinder heads with integrated manifolding, compacted graphite iron (CGI) block for a strong engine base and fracture-split main bearing caps and connecting rods for a precise fit. A high-pressure, common-rail fuel system is used, which has the ability to inject fuel five times per combustion event to control noise and emissions. The new dual-overhead cam, four-valve V-8 diesel engine will fit within the same space as a small-block V-8 gasoline engine. This compact size is made possible by using an integrated air system and narrow block. GM says that the premium V-8 diesel will deliver class-leading torque, power and refinement while maintaining a significant fuel efficiency advantage over comparable output gasoline engines. This new GM light duty diesel is expected to become a favorite among customers who require excellent towing ability and fuel efficiency. It will meet the stringent 2010 emissions standards, and it will be compliant in all 50 states. —Tom Stephens, group vice president, GM Powertrain

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Author:	longarm [ Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:16 am ]
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Author:	richardkf [ Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:32 am ]
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longarm wrote: Hell, I hate GM with a passion. However, if GM makes a mid-full size SUV with a Duramax Diesel and Allison Trannie I would buy one in a heartbeat!!! Hopefully the Diesels won't be built by cost-cutting, stingy bean-counting, empty-promise GM. The GM Mantra of technology: Make a plain, sub-par, average performing and average looking product (usually 5 years too late and after the rest of the industry has already captured the bulk of the market share - "hurry up and wait") and then do it in such a low-budget way that it fails to impress. But price it for more than it's really worth to try to convince consumers it holds water against the competition. Example: The new '07 GM re-designed SUV's (Tahoe, Yukon, Escalade) are of the same quality and technology as those from BMW, Lexus and Infiniti offered in the middle 1990's - but GM sure does waste a lot of breath throwing those names around as competitors. They compete more in line with current offerings from Ford and Hyundai and Kia. I know a lot of people love GM pickups, but those are niche products that have had the same technology behind them since the late 198o's, nothing ground-breaking in them. Just lots of slooooow evolution toward improving them (bout time 20 years later.) Watch closely ... everything GM claims in this initial announcement will be watered down in an attempt to penny-pinch and half-ass their technology while they over-embellish and exaggerate it in the marketing collateral that promote it. That's the GM way and the reason they are in their current state of affairs. Delusional.

Author:	grywlfbg [ Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:58 am ]
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I too hope that doesn't happen. I would love to have a Trailblazer w/ a V8 diesel. The CRD is awesome but w/ the loads I tow I could use just a little more oompf (and I can't afford a diesel VW Touareg ) But I have to chime and say one thing about GM - I just bought a 2006 Corvette and the thing is amazing. Sure, it's not as luxurious inside as a Porsche or Ferrari, but it's 2/3 the price of a 911, half the price of a low-end Ferrari, and outperforms them both. GM does have a premium brand that has fiercely loyal customers. I agree they just need to copy that thought to the rest of the company.

Author:	no-blue-screen [ Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:11 pm ]
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One thing I don't understand is why they stopped offering the Diesel option in the Suburban. I know one person right now who would be standing in line for s Diesel Suburban with the Duramax/Allison combo. Not me, but my father-in-law as he has to tow a trailer. Right now it is taking it hard since he has a 98 Suburban with the 454 (7.4L) gasser engine. Let's just put it this way...his best mpg to date is 12mpg...and it has a 42 gallon tank. Me personally, I had a 2002 Monte Carlo SS. I loved the car...but of course with a NA 3.8L and 200HP it wasn't worthy of the SS badge...but otherwise was an excellent car. A 2003 Toyota Solara did a rear end job on me pretty bad in 2003 and at the same time my front end was smashed up by a ford explorer that was in front of me at the time. Anyway, now that they are putting the 5.3 in the monte...I wouldn't mind seeing a Diesel monte carlo....that would be one nice booty car....provided history doesn't repeat itself....RE GM and their diesel blunders of the 80s.

Author:	richardkf [ Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:12 pm ]
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grywlfbg wrote: I too hope that doesn't happen. I would love to have a Trailblazer w/ a V8 diesel. The CRD is awesome but w/ the loads I tow I could use just a little more oompf (and I can't afford a diesel VW Touareg ) But I have to chime and say one thing about GM - I just bought a 2006 Corvette and the thing is amazing. Sure, it's not as luxurious inside as a Porsche or Ferrari, but it's 2/3 the price of a 911, half the price of a low-end Ferrari, and outperforms them both. GM does have a premium brand that has fiercely loyal customers. I agree they just need to copy that thought to the rest of the company. Yea, I'll give you that, the 'Vette is a big bargain performance-wise (but still they need to stop using Chevy car and truck finishes on the inside for the price they are charging). But that's one in 30+ cars that they produce. The Solstice looks great - but a 4 cylinder engine that is shared with the Cavalier/Cobalt for almost $30k loaded and turbocharged? That's GM for ya.

Author:	offroadsubaru [ Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:57 pm ]
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no-blue-screen wrote: One thing I don't understand is why they stopped offering the Diesel option in the Suburban. I know one person right now who would be standing in line for s Diesel Suburban with the Duramax/Allison combo. Not me, but my father-in-law as he has to tow a trailer. Right now it is taking it hard since he has a 98 Suburban with the 454 (7.4L) gasser engine. Let's just put it this way...his best mpg to date is 12mpg...and it has a 42 gallon tank. Check this out... http://www.duramaxsuburban.com/

Author:	oldnavy [ Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:27 am ]
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offroadsubaru wrote: Check this out... http://www.duramaxsuburban.com/ Check out this... No pricing!!! Bet I know why.Big $$$$$

Author:	Taz [ Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:48 am ]
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offroadsubaru wrote: no-blue-screen wrote: One thing I don't understand is why they stopped offering the Diesel option in the Suburban. I know one person right now who would be standing in line for s Diesel Suburban with the Duramax/Allison combo. Not me, but my father-in-law as he has to tow a trailer. Right now it is taking it hard since he has a 98 Suburban with the 454 (7.4L) gasser engine. Let's just put it this way...his best mpg to date is 12mpg...and it has a 42 gallon tank. Check this out... http://www.duramaxsuburban.com/ The reason that GM did not put the Duramax in the Suburban is that the Allison transmission will not fit in the tunnel of the GMT800 frame. The new GMT900 supposedly has the room for it but GM also has their own new 6 speed auto the could take the torque of a small diesel. Also the New GMT900 has 2 battery trays under the hood, looks like it was planned for a diesel.

Author:	Pablo [ Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:10 pm ]
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richardkf wrote: Hopefully the Diesels won't be built by cost-cutting, stingy bean-counting, empty-promise GM. .... Watch closely ... everything GM claims in this initial announcement will be watered down in an attempt to penny-pinch and half-@$#% their technology while they over-embellish and exaggerate it in the marketing collateral that promote it. That's the GM way and the reason they are in their current state of affairs. Delusional. Wow, so when did DC give them permission to make the GM way the same as the DC way?

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Author:	RFCRD [ Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:43 pm ]
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Pablo wrote: richardkf wrote: Hopefully the Diesels won't be built by cost-cutting, stingy bean-counting, empty-promise GM. .... Watch closely ... everything GM claims in this initial announcement will be watered down in an attempt to penny-pinch and half-@$#% their technology while they over-embellish and exaggerate it in the marketing collateral that promote it. That's the GM way and the reason they are in their current state of affairs. Delusional. Wow, so when did DC give them permission to make the GM way the same as the DC way? DC, GM & Ford are the results of inbreeding. The just trade executives every few years.

Author:	RFCRD [ Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:47 pm ]
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Taz wrote: offroadsubaru wrote: no-blue-screen wrote: One thing I don't understand is why they stopped offering the Diesel option in the Suburban. I know one person right now who would be standing in line for s Diesel Suburban with the Duramax/Allison combo. Not me, but my father-in-law as he has to tow a trailer. Right now it is taking it hard since he has a 98 Suburban with the 454 (7.4L) gasser engine. Let's just put it this way...his best mpg to date is 12mpg...and it has a 42 gallon tank. Check this out... http://www.duramaxsuburban.com/ The reason that GM did not put the Duramax in the Suburban is that the Allison transmission will not fit in the tunnel of the GMT800 frame. The new GMT900 supposedly has the room for it but GM also has their own new 6 speed auto the could take the torque of a small diesel. Also the New GMT900 has 2 battery trays under the hood, looks like it was planned for a diesel. My 10yr old Chevy 1500 pick-up has 2 battery trays. The one is occupied by really convenient underhood storage box. Now that would be really neat idea on the CRD, room for spare parts, tools and oily rags.