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CRD oil filters? Is there a right and wrong purchase?
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Author:  mrwrangler [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:58 am ]
Post subject:  CRD oil filters? Is there a right and wrong purchase?
Ok i purchased mid level FRAM filter for my CRD i belive its the truck guard filter. Some have mentioned its cellulose filter media unlike cheaper orange paper fitler. Would Chrylser try and not honer warranty engine work with this installed? Someone said that Cummins wouldnt be covered with FRAM installed?
Author:  onthehunt [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:47 am ]
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I would use the oem filter. I have no concrete evidence to prove it's better but I have a gut feeling on this one. This is the only vehicle I've ever bought an oem filter for. I also had a look at a new fram filter book and I'm pretty sure they now list a separate filter # for the crd engine. It is not the same as the 3.7 #. Make sure you have the right filter.
Author:  onthehunt [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:54 am ]
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I actually just looked at fram's website and they list ph8316 for the crd and ph3600 for the gasser. I don't think they had two seperate filters for the liberty's before. Somone correct me if I'm wrong here.
Author:  allscan [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:54 am ]
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Fram used to list the 3600 for both engines. Now, if only Wal-Mart stocked air filters for Libertys.
Author:  Ripple [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:49 am ]
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Would Chrylser try and not honor warranty engine work with this installed?


they have to by law, but if they won't for whatever reason or if you get out of warrenty, fram will. At my next oil change i'm going to cut open the OEM and fram toughguard 8316 and compare. the fram I think it a little shorter, but if it meets the specs, i'd be happy.
Author:  oldnavy [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:18 am ]
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For the $5 or less saved I would stick with the OEM filter. The reason for aftermarket filters costing less is they are usually not built to quite the same spec's as the OEM filter, this even applies to air filters. Most will be close, but not as good as OEM, with a few exceptions such as when synthetic filer material is used. Some other things are, bursting pressure may be weeker, the anti flow back if required may not even be used in some, by-pass pressure could be slightly different. The OEM mfg (D/C) can legally refuse warranty when aftermarket filters are used, and frequently do.

I have had friends warranty refused when none OEM oilfilters were used, 2 were Toyota's, 1 Ford, and 1 VW TDI. Only one had a sucessful out come, and that was a Dr. friend that had the $$$ to hire a lawyer. Also had a local guy I know that used incorrect oil against dealer advice on a Dodge Magnum with Hemi V8 that has the MDS valve system, it required minum of 5w-30 and he used his old faithful 20w-50 and suffered an engine failure while in Mississippi. The dealership there saw the 20w-50 Castrol sticker and refused the warranty repair. The guy ended up paying for a rental and game back and took a truck down a brought the car back to his dealer, they had done the oil change at his request, who had logged it in the big computer. Well D/C bounced the warranty request and the guy ended up letting the dealership buy the car from him and took his beating and went to Ford dealer for replacement. I forgot to mention, he is a wealthy farmer & banker with deep pockets.
Author:  Jeger [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:36 am ]
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Do you think we are okay with the WIX oil filter (Napa Gold)?
Author:  jinstall [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:15 am ]
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Wix-Napa Gold is what I just stocked up on when I was in the US. I bought everythig NAPA had in stock. 2 air and 6 oil and they were thee same price as a air filter at the local dealer.
Author:  biggiefl [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:25 am ]
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When I bought the mobil 1 0W-40 they had Purolator reg filters for CRD or Premium/platinum? for a few bucks more. Not sure if any cheaper than OEM but bet it is as good if not better. $8+/-
Author:  retmil46 [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:28 am ]
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The one time I've let the dealer do an oil change, while it was in for other work, they stuck an aftermarket from Carquest on it instead of the OEM. Wonder how that would have played out in a warranty claim.
Author:  gsbrockman [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:35 am ]
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oldnavy wrote:
The guy ended up paying for a rental and game back and took a truck down a brought the car back to his dealer, they had done the oil change at his request, who had logged it in the big computer. Well D/C bounced the warranty request and the guy ended up letting the dealership buy the car from him and took his beating and went to Ford dealer for replacement. I forgot to mention, he is a wealthy farmer & banker with deep pockets.


This simply proves a point that even common sense can't be purchased with a fat bank account. The days of people still using 10W40 and 20W50 in modern-day vehicles amazes me.

I'm with OldNavy in regards to using the OEM oil filter. An aftermarket 3.7L filter may fit the 2.8L engine, but there is a difference (the dealership plainly shows different listings). I'll stick with the OEM filter from the dealer until the aftermarket has a proven, reliable filter specifically for the 2.8L CRD-----and that being said, it may not happen with as few units of the CRD here in the USA.

Greg
Author:  truckbouy2 [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:36 am ]
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Fram=VERY Poor Filter
Author:  gsbrockman [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:49 am ]
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truckbouy2 wrote:
Fram=VERY Poor Filter


In some applications I suppose.

I'd never use one on any Dodge RAM with a Cummins Turbo Diesel....I've owned three since December of 1997 and always used OEM filters or Fleetguard Stratapores.

I once owned a 1987 Dodge Omni 4dr.....purchased it used in May of 1990 w/63k on it. I sold it in July 1999 with 347k on it......it only had 10W30 Castrol and FRAM filters every 4k miles or so.

Greg
Author:  mrwrangler [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:54 pm ]
Post subject:  I dont think anyone here has seen what a nice filter looks
Like my 80's BMW talk about nice filters mahle they where engineering marvels. I remmember back in high school automotive class teacher says filter is a filter dumb booty i also got Ds lol.
Author:  BioJeep [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:08 pm ]
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Here's some info:

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

I would likely stick with Mopar due to the uniqueness of the CRD & filter but decided synthetic media makes too much sense and have gone with Amsoil Ea. There was only a single Fram for all Liberty's just a few months ago.
Author:  Got Diesel [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:56 pm ]
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I say and can prove it STAY AWAY FROM FRAM OIL FILTERS!! The NAPA brand the gold one is a wix filter and a tad better than the OEM cut them open ,witch I have and you can see the difference...
Author:  no-blue-screen [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:45 pm ]
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Go with the OEM filters which are made in Italy, You can get a case of six of them from Hall Dodge/Jeep in Michigan. Total cost shipped is $49.90 for 6 OEM filters. The cost divided by six equates to $8.32 per filter. You can get them from Hall's eBay store:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6-MOPAR- ... QQtcZphoto

I purchased this 6 filter case and it arrived promptly. The last oil change I used the WIX, but I want to go back to OEM and will do so on the next OC.
Author:  Got Diesel [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:50 pm ]
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ok,not to start some thing here and any one feel free to do what you like,I have seen all 3 cut open and I will use the Napa brand.
Author:  no-blue-screen [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:53 pm ]
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Got Diesel wrote:
ok,not to start some thing here and any one feel free to do what you like,I have seen all 3 cut open and I will use the Napa brand.


Would you care to share what lead you to that conclusion? I am not saying you are wrong, but it would be helpful if we knew why you feel that way. Thanks.
Author:  Got Diesel [ Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:54 pm ]
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Simple,Do a Google search and then cut all 3 of them open.Guess what the Mopar is..
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