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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:07 pm 
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One other thing to keep in mind is it's not just a matter of how much "peak torque" the tranny can handle, it's where in the RPM range the engine makes the torque.

W/ a gasser, peak torque comes at a very high RPM so by the time the engine is outputting peak torque the tranny is spinning nice and fast and the TC and pump are well pressurized to handle the power.

But in a diesel peak torque is made at a much lower RPM so the tranny pump isn't able to build up sufficient pressure to handle the power when it comes on and things break.

Anyway, that's my guess as to why the gasser tranny we have is failing. So my feeling is that w/ a redesigned pump the tranny should work fine.


That's sort of what I've been thinking. the 545 seems to hold up well (perhaps exluding whatever happened to DZL_LOU ) but the pump appears to unable to provide adaquate pressure to keep the TC from slipping at low rpm. When the TC fails, debris in the fluid then really wipes our the pump. When I spoke with the SM at my local dealer, he said there have been no tranny failures of the 545 if we exlcude the TC/pump relationship. Also, no pump failures that were not debris related.

Now granted that this is only one dealer with a only couple of dozen CRD's in service....plus SM are noted for selective memories...but still the 545 may be getting guilt by association.

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From the dyno charts that I have seen, the Hemi is making roughly 325 foot-pounds of torque at 1600 rpm, according to the dyno chart on Dodge's web site. So the Hemi is making MORE torque at the same RPM as our diesel - I think it's an issue with both the software program and the torque converter.

From what I have read on the 545RFE, the front pump is a 2-stage design, which varies the pressure according to the TCM as needed. There are essentially 3 gears in the front pump; the drive gear in the center, and 2 driven gears which provide the oil pressure to the tranny. One gear most likely provides pressure all the time, while the other is bypassed until needed. They may not have the TCM programmed properly to provide the necessary pressure. Also, the cooler is inadequate (IMO) to keep up with the heat generated by the excessive slippage of the torque converter (due to the overly high stall speed).

Just my 2cents ....

LINK TO TORQUE CURVE OF THE 5.7L HEMI:
http://www.dodge.com/en/ram_1500/featur ... er_hemi_v8

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The impulse torque from 2 cylinders firing once each revolution (4 cyl) might be higher than the impulse torque from 4 cylinders firing each revolution (8 cyl) with the same mean torque. A search turned up the following site:

http://www.epi-eng.com/ET-PistonExcit.htm

Based on this article the peak torque of a 4 cylinder engine is 300% above the mean torque. The peak torque on an 8 cylinder is 200% over mean torque. This is comparing apples to apples. A diesel engine may indeed have even higher peak torque than a gasoline engine. Using the information in this article the CRD engine would have a peak torque of around 900 lb ft not allowing for the fact that it’s a diesel, while the Hemi would have around 780 lb ft of impulse using this info. What really concerns me at this point is how F37 reduces torque. Is the maximum fuel output reduced related to rpm and load or is the impulse curve modified by changing the injection pulses and timing? It seems like the first case might not reduce fuel economy but the second case would.


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The impulse torque from 2 cylinders firing once each revolution (4 cyl) might be higher than the impulse torque from 4 cylinders firing each revolution (8 cyl) with the same mean torque. A search turned up the following site:

http://www.epi-eng.com/ET-PistonExcit.htm

Based on this article the peak torque of a 4 cylinder engine is 300% above the mean torque. The peak torque on an 8 cylinder is 200% over mean torque. This is comparing apples to apples. A diesel engine may indeed have even higher peak torque than a gasoline engine. Using the information in this article the CRD engine would have a peak torque of around 900 lb ft not allowing for the fact that it’s a diesel, while the Hemi would have around 780 lb ft of impulse using this info. What really concerns me at this point is how F37 reduces torque. Is the maximum fuel output reduced related to rpm and load or is the impulse curve modified by changing the injection pulses and timing? It seems like the first case might not reduce fuel economy but the second case would.


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Interesting site. Too bad DC didn't study it before specing our TC :cry: I once owned a 1938 twin cylinder John Deer tractor. Looking at the charts I would guess a 2 cylinder would be half a single cylinder or about 700% per chug of each cylinder, WOW :shock: It also shows why I've put clutches in most of the older VW diesels I've owned. One of them, a 1992 ECHODiesel jetta, broke 4 clutch disks over the 350k miles I and a friend owned it. Someone here had a person refer to our crd's as a "tractor engine" :D

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