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Author:  vtdog [ Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:  High prices for used CRD
The quote below I took from the Edmunds site. It would appear that the CRD is a rare commodity (and becoming rarer) and will bring high prices at re-sale. I don't know if this bodes well for the future for trade in prices, but with $ 4.00 gal gas in CA and other areas already, it may be a good sign for CRD owners.

"These days I'm even more concerned about mileage, so I'm thinking of replacing it with a Liberty diesel. I'm in California so I cant get a new one, but a local dealer has brought in a half dozen used models and they have a nice inferno red limited with Navigation etc and only 8000 miles. They want top blue book for it. It looks brand new."
Author:  midwest [ Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:21 pm ]
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Diesel is the future. They can play with E-85 vehicles or hybred electrics all they want, but they can never come close to a diesel. Imagine what a small hybred electric diesel would do?

I absolutely love our CRD and plan to put 300k or more on it. I think the future will show that we were smart to jump on the Liberty during its short run.
Author:  DarbyWalters [ Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:09 am ]
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Hybrids take 4-5 years of use to recoup the extra cost...I still like them but a great running diesel is my choice...recoup extra cost in 1 year or less. I think of the 11,200 CRD buyers that kept thier CRDs and are making the adjustments to get them "right" have made a wise choice in the long run.
Author:  techTim [ Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:19 am ]
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I love the thought of a bio-diesel-electric rig, from a tiny three cylinder econobox to a big 'ol cummins sport-ute. the future is now friends.
:D
Author:  Joe Romas [ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:06 am ]
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techTim wrote:
I love the thought of a bio-diesel-electric rig, from a tiny three cylinder econobox to a big 'ol cummins sport-ute. the future is now friends.
:D


Back in the late 1970's VW had a prototype rabbit hybrid with a 3 cylinder diesel on the streets of Germany. About all I remember is it had a motor/generator/torque converter instead of a clutch :shock:
Author:  GilaMonster [ Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:22 pm ]
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Joe Romas wrote:
techTim wrote:
I love the thought of a bio-diesel-electric rig, from a tiny three cylinder econobox to a big 'ol cummins sport-ute. the future is now friends.
:D


Back in the late 1970's VW had a prototype rabbit hybrid with a 3 cylinder diesel on the streets of Germany. About all I remember is it had a motor/generator/torque converter instead of a clutch :shock:


I remember reading about VW putting a 19HP diesel generator in the back of a rabbit that was electrically driven. Got something like 90 miles to the gallon.
Author:  grywlfbg [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:27 pm ]
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midwest wrote:
Diesel is the future. They can play with E-85 vehicles or hybred electrics all they want, but they can never come close to a diesel. Imagine what a small hybred electric diesel would do?

I absolutely love our CRD and plan to put 300k or more on it. I think the future will show that we were smart to jump on the Liberty during its short run.


Well, you'd have to use a different design than the current hybrids w/ a diesel. Diesels take too long to warm up and reach peak operating efficiency for the stop/start method of current hybrids.

However, if you used the diesel purely to generate electricity (instead of actually driving the car as in current hybrids) that would work well. That's how trains work.

But on the subject of CRD resale, I wonder what will happen when the Grand Cherokee diesel comes out? I'm thinking about upgrading myself - could use a little more room.
Author:  oldnavy [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:05 pm ]
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grywlfbg wrote:
But on the subject of CRD resale, I wonder what will happen when the Grand Cherokee diesel comes out? I'm thinking about upgrading myself - could use a little more room.
I hear that is a dead deal now with the sell off, MB is trying to stop all the sharring of parts. It would bet that when the smoke clears and if Chrysler decides to continue with the old D/C idea of more diesels they will be coming from Cummins who has developed new V6 & V8 diesels for auto and light truck (1/2T) use.
Author:  Jeger [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:08 pm ]
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And Cali dealers will get top dollar for these little beasties too. If I was selling mine right now I would advertise it over there, bump the price up however much shipping costs.... 2006 JEEP LIBERTY CRD 2.8L TURBO DIESEL. 30MPG!!!


I bet I could get what I paid for it even with 34K miles :lol:
Author:  alljeep [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:09 pm ]
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oldnavy wrote:
grywlfbg wrote:
But on the subject of CRD resale, I wonder what will happen when the Grand Cherokee diesel comes out? I'm thinking about upgrading myself - could use a little more room.
I hear that is a dead deal now with the sell off, MB is trying to stop all the sharring of parts. It would bet that when the smoke clears and if Chrysler decides to continue with the old D/C idea of more diesels they will be coming from Cummins who has developed new V6 & V8 diesels for auto and light truck (1/2T) use.


They are already on dealer lots, although a very select few are available, check out autotrader.com and you can find several of the new Grand Cherokee diesels for sale (for over $40k).
Author:  robert46123 [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:12 pm ]
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I don't see the Grand Cherokee CRD hurting Liberty resale values at all. As it stands now they are two completely different price points.
Author:  oldnavy [ Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:17 pm ]
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robert46123 wrote:
I don't see the Grand Cherokee CRD hurting Liberty resale values at all. As it stands now they are two completely different price points.
Base price for CRD GC is about $42,500 and my EP price was $38,500, but it was just more then I wanted to pay for a Jeep. My EP on a MB R320CDI (about same car as Pacifica) was $39,xxx with far more options and was AWD.

If we buy a new car in the near future it will most likely be a MB with a diesel. I am driving a '91 that has 189,000 miles on it and runs great is doing about 450 miles in town on a 18.5 gal fuel tank and everything works on the car except one rear power window and passenger power seat. The window is a 1 hr fix with no parts needed and the power seat needs a $50 switch, I guess for $42,000 list in '91 it was high dollar but the quality was there and you got your moneys worth.
Author:  vtdog [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:30 pm ]
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You better buy that MB diesel fast. I just read that MB will be dropping the sedan diesel in the US market and only putting them into the SUVs
Author:  oldnavy [ Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:35 pm ]
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Figures, I heard the sales have not been what they expected for the diesels here in the US.
Author:  jinstall [ Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:58 am ]
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Next year will bring the BMW X5 3.0D to the US market. Don't be surprised when the MB Ml320CDi or even the 420CDi make it to the US shores.
Author:  KJbob [ Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:00 am ]
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grywlfbg wrote:
But on the subject of CRD resale, I wonder what will happen when the Grand Cherokee diesel comes out? I'm thinking about upgrading myself - could use a little more room.


There's a Grand Cherokee CRD at the dealership where I bought my CRD. It's been stting there since Easter. Chrysler is now offering a rebate on them. My guess is that they haven't received the welcome that DCX was hoping for.

With the divorce of Daimler from Chrysler I would be a little nervous about getting one of these. That, coupled with the high price of GC CRD's and so so reliability of Grand Cherokee's in general makes me adopt a wait and see attitude.
Author:  chadhargis [ Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:48 am ]
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The lack of a warm welcome most likely has to do with the price. That's the same for Mercedes diesel sedans.

Give consumers a good diesel vehicle at an affordable price and you'll see the things sell like hot cakes.
Author:  Ranger1 [ Mon Jun 11, 2007 2:36 pm ]
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KJbob wrote:
grywlfbg wrote:
But on the subject of CRD resale, I wonder what will happen when the Grand Cherokee diesel comes out? I'm thinking about upgrading myself - could use a little more room.


There's a Grand Cherokee CRD at the dealership where I bought my CRD. It's been stting there since Easter. Chrysler is now offering a rebate on them. My guess is that they haven't received the welcome that DCX was hoping for.

With the divorce of Daimler from Chrysler I would be a little nervous about getting one of these. That, coupled with the high price of GC CRD's and so so reliability of Grand Cherokee's in general makes me adopt a wait and see attitude.


Diesel Jeep buyers have been burned once by DC on dropping their vehicle, but at least there are ~ 11,000 Liberty CRD's in existence, enough to keep some Jeep dealers familiar with the fact that they are around. If Chrysler drops the MB diesel in the GC, it could leave current owners as members of a club with a few hundred members - great for rare stamps, but not so good for parts availability and techs who can actually work on your vehicle.

With reports of Daimler wanting to use their CDI engine in their own SUV's, and only releasing ~ 500 CDI's to Jeep before the sell-off, why would one take the chance on owning a diesel that could end up being an extinct rarity? Think about owning a $50K diesel GC, with only 200 - 500 in existence - if that possibility doesn't excite you, it probably doesn't thrill prospective diesel Jeep buyers either.
Author:  chadhargis [ Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:05 pm ]
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Since it's the tried and true Mercedes Blutech diesel engine, I'm betting you could find a number of folks who could work on it. Not at a Chrysler dealer, but none the less, it shouldn't be too hard.
Author:  Ranger1 [ Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:28 pm ]
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Not a lot of comfort in that prospect for a $50K vehicle that comes with a warranty. On a $25K CRD, it's doable, but not on that kind of money. Logistical parts support on a CRD was bad enough with 11,000 of them out there - how good could it be for 500 nationwide if you want warranty repair. Hunting down a diesel mechanic to work on your new Jeep if it needs work likely wont' appeal to those who spend in the high $40's to low $50K for a diesel Jeep. If the reports are true that Daimler designed the MB V6 to be non rebuildable, it won't build a lot of aftermarket support.
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