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Author:  Cowpie1 [ Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:29 pm ]
Post subject:  InMotion CRD Tuning
Curious how many here have done the Inmotion CRD Tune reprogram of the ECU.

Considering it and would appreciate any feedback from those of you who have done this and how it has been performing for you. Also how satisfied you were with the company.
Author:  chadhargis [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:09 am ]
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I had the Stage II tune done on mine. It makes a big difference. Worth the money in my opinion. I decided to go with the stage II over the Eco tune based on a conversation with them.

I shipped my ECU overnight, they flashed it and shipped it back on the same day. Great service!

Also, if the dealer happens to re-flash your ECU without your knowledge, you can ship your ECU back to InMotion and they will re-flash at no charge.
Author:  Cowpie1 [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:31 pm ]
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Thanks for the info, Chad! I just this minute got a call from InMotion and they said what you did. I agree, that I think I will go with the Stage 2 reprogram.

Was a little leary of yanking out my ECU and shipping it off to someone I know nothing about and having them reprogram it. Kinda like a Forest Gump "you never know what you're going to get" moment.

I think I will determine the best time in the next week or two to get this done where I don't mind having the CRD sitting for a few days while waiting to get the ECU back. Even wife is game for getting this done! That doesn't happen that often!
Author:  chadhargis [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:40 pm ]
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You can feel the power increase, especially taking off from a stop.

I've only got one tank of fuel on the chip tune, and fuel mileage doesn't seem to be any worse, but there is clearly more power. A win/win!
Author:  Hero [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:42 pm ]
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chadhargis wrote:
I decided to go with the stage II over the Eco tune based on a conversation with them.


Would you care to expand on that? I am interested in doing this and going with the Eco Tuning as I'm only interested in maximum MPG, don't car about performance beyond what I have stock. Thank you for your time!
Author:  chadhargis [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:44 pm ]
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Basically I was told that most of their customers who get the Eco tune send their ECU back for the Stage II.

I didn't ask why, I just took his advice. It's the same money for them either way, so I'm guessing the Eco tune is a compromise in drivability to gain the fuel economy. Don't know for sure...just guessing. But I took their advice and I'm happy. I didn't want to have to send the ECU back.

I'm happy with the mileage the CRD gets now, and I was told that the stage II won't cause any loss of fuel economy if you keep your foot out of it.
Author:  skywarn [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  $$
chad -

may i ask how much it was?
Author:  chadhargis [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:22 pm ]
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$300....much cheaper than the "modules" that are out there. Just a little bit of work to get the ECU out, but if you remove the battery, you'll have plenty of room.
Author:  o8k [ Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:37 pm ]
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i would prefer a module for the sake of ease of install and removal. mine still under warentee but not sure which model works and which doesnt
Author:  Cowpie1 [ Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:50 am ]
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o8k wrote:
i would prefer a module for the sake of ease of install and removal. mine still under warentee but not sure which model works and which doesnt


What sold me was when InMotion gave me a call today to alieve any concerns I had regarding the reprogram of the ECU. The specs they are reprogramming into the ECU are the European manufacturing specs that Bosch and VM meant for the engine as it was built. They have the authorization from Bosch to do this. Only other changes are minor like removing speed limiter, etc. They are also authorized to do this same reprogram for just about every other European made gas and diesel engine in Volvo, VW, BMW, Mercedes, etc.

The discussion was to confirm that the reprogram is not detectible by the dealer in that the machine views the European specs as valid for the engine. Interesting that the original specs for the CRD engine reduce the EGR use by over 60% from the DC program. That alone is a major improvement over what we got from Toledo.

The assertion that the DC specs for the CRD are a castrated version from what VM and Bosch intended is well founded. I do not want a fire breather, I just want the engine to operate to its max potential as it was intended. That alone will cure many of the problems that a lot of owners have experienced. I am quite sure that VM built a solid engine that would perform as they intended. They have a solid reputation in Europe. Just some idiots at DC thought they knew more about the engine than the manufacturer. But what is new!

At least when they look under the hood, they will not be able to tell a difference. Oh.... InMotion confirmed that they would reprogram the ECU for FREE for the life of the vehicle if DC decides, through one of their recalls, to reprogram the ECU back to their perverted specs. That was a top seller for me too! It is nice to see a company back a service and continue to correct DC at every turn.
Author:  chadhargis [ Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:46 am ]
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You just echoed my exact reasons for going with the chip tune. A reprogram doesn't "fool" any sensors by using a plug in module. It works with the existing engine management. It makes the engine run like it should.

I did the same thing to my motorcycle. Actually, I bought a complete new ECU (they are cheaper for bikes) that is intended for race applications.

I've used plug in modules on motorcycles, and they have their place. But nothing can beat a good chip tune for drivability. Take a look at the plug in modules. They plug into a few sensors and modify the output they send to the ECU. But our engine has a bunch of sensors, and the chip tune works with all of them, not just two or three.

Of course, the InMotion tune is cheaper too. :)
Author:  GilaMonster [ Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:27 pm ]
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Can you both revisit this thread with some fuel milage results?

Thanks.
Author:  chadhargis [ Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:34 pm ]
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I haven't noticed any difference in fuel mileage. Seems to turn about the same. I only have one tank on the chip tune, so time will tell.
Author:  Cowpie1 [ Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:17 am ]
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Getting mine tuned next week and I will sure post any fuel mileage numbers as they come in. Just keep in mind that I am getting the stage 2 reprogram like Chad. The Eco Tune option Inmotion offers probably will do better on the MPG if that is your prime motivation. With fuel prices I wouldn't begrudge anyone for selecting it. Even the eco tune will give you a boost in horses and torque.
Author:  LIBERTYinLIBERTY [ Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:56 am ]
Post subject:  Inmotion
How do I get in touch with Inmotion to talk to them....


:D
Author:  DZL_LOU [ Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:38 pm ]
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http://www.inmotionusa.com

503-608-7717
Author:  chadhargis [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:11 pm ]
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I just filled up today.

Second tank on the InMotion chip tune. Fuel mileage is still the same as before, and I did quite a bit of stop and go driving and some towing on this tank. Still managed 20.1mpg. That included one full throttle run to 105mph. :)
Author:  brew1 [ Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:51 pm ]
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The discussion was to confirm that the reprogram is not detectible by the dealer in that the machine views the European specs as valid for the engine. Interesting that the original specs for the CRD engine reduce the EGR use by over 60% from the DC program. That alone is a major improvement over what we got from Toledo.

The assertion that the DC specs for the CRD are a castrated version from what VM and Bosch intended is well founded. I do not want a fire breather, I just want the engine to operate to its max potential as it was intended. That alone will cure many of the problems that a lot of owners have experienced. I am quite sure that VM built a solid engine that would perform as they intended. They have a solid reputation in Europe. Just some idiots at DC thought they knew more about the engine than the manufacturer. But what is new!
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Newbie here taking delivery on a Liberty CRD this week but not a newbie to turbo diesels. I don't believe the idiots at DC have a choice regarding incorporating EGR valves and catalytic converters to comply with federal law and the VM diesel engine is no more castrated by DC than the diesel engine imported by VW which was also discontinued due to stricter federal regulations.

Owners however have a bit more latitude to modify their vehicles (for offroad purposes of course) and remove EGR valves that are quick to clog themselves and intake manifolds or remove catalytic converters and mufflers to improve performance and lower EGT's.

I too am considering an ECU tune however I would prefer to have a little more performance boost than just bringing the program up to European specs, whatever that means. Does anyone know of an ECU tuner that increases turbo boost within the operating limits of the turbocharger, deletes the EGR operation and CEL and remaps for a better flowing intake and exhaust?

Have any members that went down the InMotion Tuning road had a discussion with this tuner regarding some real performance tuning or were you just interested in bringing it up to the European specs? Also, I don't believe the European market uses an EGR valve, at least they don't for VW, don't know about VM. If thats the case, then tuning for European specs should mean deleting the EGR operation, not just turning it down 60%.
Author:  tomasnc [ Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:30 pm ]
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Guys,

Great post. I have had the F37 done many months ago and the performance or lack thereof sucks :(

I am correct in understanding that what Inmotion does is reflash the ECU to pre-F37 specs?


This is what I am gleaning from this post?

Thanks

Tom
Author:  nix [ Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:08 pm ]
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tomasnc wrote:
I am correct in understanding that what Inmotion does is reflash the ECU to pre-F37 specs?

The F37 flash effects two different ECUs from what I understand: the engine ECU and the transmission ECU. InMotion only can flash the engine ecu.. thereby getting more horsepower, torque and fuel economy. (or so they claim. I have not seen any dyno proof of any of this) So, you will possibly increase performance- but who knows how much more HP you would have if you had the old pre F37 transmission ecu installed. (The transmission ECU talks to the engine ECU and can affect performance)
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