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| Author: | retmil46 [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:37 pm ] |
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Mainly just economics on my part - already got $200 in the Kennedy pump, and it's got no trouble kicking out nearly 4 psi downstream of both filters. It's dropped down to just under 3 psi with cold fuel on initial start this last week with cold weather, but once warmed up a little it's back up to 4. And that's with regular #2 dino. I'm also pretty much my own warranty station, and if I can help it will be a cold day in Hades before it sees the inside of a dealership again. One other member sent me an e-mail saying he's just purchased a second Kennedy pump, going to plumb them in series for 8 to 10 psi, to see if there's any performance gain or other benefits. $400 for two pumps, that's still cheaper than one of those FASS units. |
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| Author: | ATXKJ [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:48 pm ] |
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gmctd Great job. I'm really impressed with the ability to use factory parts and have everything plug in. However I'm not sure I'm finding the right parts online - I've done several searches and on the ones with images I'm getting an Airtex Electronics pump - i.e. it looks like the pump only - not the module - I might end up going to a dealer to order it just so I can show them the picture and say - this entire unit. (the dealer I called wanted a vin number before they could look up the part) Did you have a good source for the pump? |
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| Author: | gmctd [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:46 pm ] |
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#2 son and I hit the boneyards on Shepherd Thursday a.m. on a search and rescue mission, looking for 04-06 Dodge and 05-07 Jeep stuff - we grabbed what we found, and were lucky to find the later stuff - I'll take the '07 KJ V6 fuel module back and trade it for something else FYI - the modules appear not to be easily repairable - the component housing\mounting parts are all plastic - the plastic parts are ultrasonically welded together - no hill fer a stepper, as pop-rivets are the experimentive mechanic's best friend, and the ABS\PVC stuff is ealily bonded, but replacing the electric fuel pump will not be a plug-n-play item All replacement stuff I've seen has been the complete module assembly Airtex and Masters are both brands of the main replacement source |
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| Author: | gmctd [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:53 pm ] |
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Yep - those fit the GM-Ford-Chrysler and most oem in-tank systems from the '80's-'90's - that was back when you could replace the electric pump in the steel-cage fuel module - now they're all thermo-plastic moldings, serviceable by replacement-only I don't recall seeing a replacement Diesel pump listed in their catalog - try NAPA for the complete module, or the online dealer listed by Bill Barq |
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| Author: | gmctd [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:22 pm ] |
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I've done a preliminary break-down and modify for adding a commonly-available replacement pump to the Jeep module - the top is easy-off, the fuel guage is easy-off - but it will be difficult, as the locating-clamp spider is ultrasonic-welded to the housing, which will make it nigh onto impossible to run a filter screen - pics if interested. The Jeep module has no pre-filter screen - the Dodge does. I highly recommend using the Dodge module |
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| Author: | dgeist [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:40 pm ] |
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gmctd wrote: I highly recommend using the Dodge module
So, since you've had this working at least a couple hours  Any driving impressions, stats, etc?. I'd like to know if there's a tangible benefit other than "This will probably do X" and "Over the life of the vehicle, Y"?
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| Author: | Bill.Barg [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:41 pm ] |
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I have tried my local dealers for the Dodge parts with no luck finding anything in stock to look at and compare with. I figure the 2006 gasser harness is a sure thing. So..... It is a bit of shot in the dark to purchse new pump parts, cuz they are electrical and there are "no returns on electrical". It will be a while before I get the cajones to purchase, plug and play. I would be willing to paypal someone, say $20 and if $160/$20= 8 people do so as well, some interepid soul could get themselves a free Dodge pump to install, and test. I am willing to loose $20, not $160, know-what-I-mean? Any takers on this. Guinea pig? Funders? Bill |
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| Author: | gmctd [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:31 pm ] |
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I have no input on that, Dan, having ridden in the Jeep less than 10 times, and only three of those was I briefly driving it - I haven't driven it since installing the lift pump. I did install a 30psi guage on the fuel manager head for long-term testing - the module immediately pumps 9psi at WTS - it maintains 9psi for a period of time after shut-down, indicating the anti-drainback valve is functional, and no system leakage The KJ does have the EDGE Trail module, so we've not experienced some of the stock problems - I did notice an increase in throttle response after disconnecting the MAF - that was the third drive, B4 the lift pump install. If you're experiencing longer starting, hesitation, surging, etc, a remote-mounted lift pump can solve those problems - it may not completely prevent damaging the fuel heater, as the fuel manager head is the highest point in the system, but it should reduce the probability of failure - system pressurizes to 9psi in less than one second - takes far longer than that for the fuel heater to come up to temperature, and only 85degF, at that. Try it - you'll like it................... Bill, the electric pump and fuel module are not separate pieces - that is now a unit assembly - only the fuel guage sender is easily replaced, and it's listed separately, so is serviced separately (edited) I'd try the local boneyards for a '06 model, to get low mileage |
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| Author: | ATXKJ [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:14 pm ] |
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What confused me was that the online stores tend to either have no image or a universal image attached to all Dodge fuel pumps - the universal image is from one of the (patooie!) systems. So I think you have to either go somewhere you can see the image - a parts dealer or a recycle yard (note: Houston has boneyards, Austin has recycle centers - but not many Cummins in them) or find a store with a good return policy. |
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| Author: | gmctd [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:38 am ] |
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I had my sons with me at a younger time - #2 was about six - shopping thru a local recycle center - #1 son pointed to a quested specimen, so I told him I could see the part was missing, already stripped - whereupon #2 son said they all looked like skeletons - I concurred, stating that we were in an automotive graveyard, where all good cars go, hopefully for resurrection to another life on another car - it's been boneyards, ever since. Try the truck yards - car yards bid on trucks only as part of a large lot of desired passenger cars - the pool throws the less desireable trucks in with the lot of cars so they can move them - they have to take the truck(s) or pass on the lot - the truck yards bid only on trucks, so they get the more popular editions. Even in the DCX parts manual, the pictured item is usually not the Diesel version - can be confusing, even to MrMoparts Print the desired images from this thread, incl that Dodge part number - right-click on 'save picture as', save it to your photo-processing folder, go from there |
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| Author: | Bill.Barg [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:13 pm ] |
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GMCTD, See http://tucson.craigslist.org/pts/453509659.html It is a 2004 RAM Cummins 100,000 miles He wants $30 What do you think? |
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| Author: | gmctd [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:35 pm ] |
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Well - that's 10 more than your 20buck proposition to determine which part number matched which item, BUT - that's a '94 12valve - the lift pump is mechanical, operated by the camshaft - sorry, charlie - starkist wants tuna that taste good, not tuna with good taste .......................... |
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| Author: | drharv [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:40 pm ] |
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I just got off the phone with the local stealer and he wants $500 and change for the unit (pump). Canadian bucks no less!!! My pickle are they that expensive south of the 49? |
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| Author: | Bill.Barg [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:01 pm ] |
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My local dealer wants $400 for the Dodge unit. That is double the MSRP ! |
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| Author: | gmctd [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:06 pm ] |
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Wow - and I was beginning to feel ripped for paying 175 for a pre-owned module, particularly when you guys were showing 212bucks for a new one on-line |
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| Author: | ATXKJ [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:55 pm ] |
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FYI - I found a couple of good leads on here http://car-part.com/index.htm |
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| Author: | gmctd [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:42 pm ] |
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Thassa whole page of '06 pumps - whassupidat guy wanting 1000bucks for one? |
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| Author: | ATXKJ [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:53 pm ] |
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the couple of times I've ordered from some of these places - the naming conventions vary dramatically - it's critical that you call or email. I'd bet the $1000 is the injector pump up front - even if they listed it as the tank pump. |
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| Author: | gmctd [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:16 am ] |
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I 'spect so, too - you callin' any of them? |
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| Author: | ATXKJ [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:55 pm ] |
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They're on my ToDo list - just haven't gotten there yet. |
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