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 Post subject: Head Gasket sealant?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:23 pm 
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Hi Guys,

I am about to start re-assembly for a head gasket change. I have cleaned my head and block surfaces but haven't re-surfaced/machined the head. There is some pitting in the aluminum and you can see where the previous head gasket was pressed into the head around the cylinder liner. I don't really want to drop another 2 grand for a new head so was considering using the Copper Spray-A-Gasket on the new head head gasket. I saw in another thread (Confirmed Head gasket leak #3) that someone used it all the time.
I'm also installing new ARP studs.
Anybody have feedback for me on this?

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 Post subject: Re: Head Gasket sealant?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:25 pm 
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I tried it wtih an overheated head, and it failed, cant be sure if it would have worked on a better head, it is yours to try.

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 Post subject: Re: Head Gasket sealant?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:30 pm 
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Yeah. I think my head is in good shape otherwise. If it works I save the cost of a new head. If it doesn't I get to do it again.
It's all about the journey, right?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:16 pm 
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Sleeper wrote:
Hi Guys,

I am about to start re-assembly for a head gasket change. I have cleaned my head and block surfaces but haven't re-surfaced/machined the head. There is some pitting in the aluminum and you can see where the previous head gasket was pressed into the head around the cylinder liner. I don't really want to drop another 2 grand for a new head so was considering using the Copper Spray-A-Gasket on the new head head gasket. I saw in another thread (Confirmed Head gasket leak #3) that someone used it all the time.
I'm also installing new ARP studs.
Anybody have feedback for me on this?

Thanks


I had my head resurfaced and valve seats recut on my head gasket adventure(round two). Coolant light is not coming on and all is sealed well this time. I also sprayed hylomar and made .002" shim rings on top of the sleeve to make sure the sleeve was protruding .002" above block. I used a roll of full hard shim stock from McMaster Carr. All of my sleeves were recessed .001" into the block when I disassembled engine. I would surface the head. It was $400 with all the work done. I do not want to be this far into the motor until I hit 300,000 miles.

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 Post subject: Re: Head Gasket sealant?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:42 pm 
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I see the manual states that the head is not machinable so how did you decide how much to machine the head? Did you predetermine it based on the choice of head gaskets available?
I'm thinking I should double check that sleeve depth.

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 Post subject: Re: Head Gasket sealant?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:42 pm 
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I had another look at the head and I put it back on without doing anything to it other than a good cleaning and careful inspection. It's not warped and I can't find any cracks. I hummed and hawed but eventually decided to try the Permatex Copper Spray-A -Gasket on the head gasket just because of some minor pitting. I torqued it up last night and then I torque checked it this morning to see if there was any change after the coating had set. There may have been a little movement on a couple nuts but barely. I'll check torque again before I put the cover on.
Here's hoping...

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 Post subject: Re: Head Gasket sealant?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:15 pm 
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Sleeper wrote:
I see the manual states that the head is not machinable so how did you decide how much to machine the head? Did you predetermine it based on the choice of head gaskets available?
I'm thinking I should double check that sleeve depth.

Thanks


I believe the service manual is referring to the valve intake side of the head. The service manual gives a minimum head thickness value. I measured mine after the machining .040" off and it is right at the minimum thickness. Will need new head next time...

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 Post subject: Re: Head Gasket sealant?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:22 pm 
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SargeIndustries wrote:
Sleeper wrote:
I see the manual states that the head is not machinable so how did you decide how much to machine the head? Did you predetermine it based on the choice of head gaskets available?
I'm thinking I should double check that sleeve depth.

Thanks


I believe the service manual is referring to the valve intake side of the head. The service manual gives a minimum head thickness value. I measured mine after the machining .040" off and it is right at the minimum thickness. Will need new head next time...


Gotchya. I've got it half way back together now. Hopefully this works out. Otherwise I'll have to try that. Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Head Gasket sealant?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 1:12 am 
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I had my head shaved just a couple thousands to give it a perfect surface finish. I used ARP studs with no sealant on the head gasket.

260hp,
30+lbs of boost,
20,000 miles,

All good still...

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